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it may be a weird, creepy kink and he may indeed be going to her to get his fragile ego boosted, but if the hooker in question is unzipping a fly and commenting about an erection like Rita Moreno is, it isn't Platonic Prostitution
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* PlatonicProstitution: Jonathan's sessions with Louise do have a sexual component, but are more about his being able to listen to a woman tell him how wonderful he is and how he's just too real for most women to handle.
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* TimeSkip: Two big ones separate the three acts. At the end of Act II a deeply depressed Bobbie is begging Jonathan to marry her; when Act III kicks off, they've been married and divorced and had a daughter who, from the brief glimpse of a photo, looks to be elementary school age.
* VillainProtagonist: Jonathan, who is just a terrible guy, and in particular a raging misogynist. In Act I he reacts to the news of Sandy getting a girlfriend by seducing the girlfriend and trying to take her away from Sandy. In Act II he seduces the phenomenally gorgeous Bobbie, and convinces her to stop modeling and be his live-in girlfriend--but the presence of a woman in close proximity every day clearly fills Jonathan with rage. He verbally abuses and belittles her until Bobbie winds up attempting suicide. By the time of Act III Jonathan's misogyny is so out of control that he's made a slide show of all the women he's dated and now apparently loathes.
* VillainProtagonist: Jonathan, who is just a terrible guy, and in particular a raging misogynist. In Act I he reacts to the news of Sandy getting a girlfriend by seducing the girlfriend and trying to take her away from Sandy. In Act II he seduces the phenomenally gorgeous Bobbie, and convinces her to stop modeling and be his live-in girlfriend--but the presence of a woman in close proximity every day clearly fills Jonathan with rage. He verbally abuses and belittles her until Bobbie winds up attempting suicide. By the time of Act III Jonathan's misogyny is so out of control that he's made a slide show of all the women he's dated and now apparently loathes.
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* DramaticIrony: Tons of this in Act I after Jonathan and Susan start dating behind Sandy's back. In one conversation Sandy suggests that he, Susan, Jonathan and Jonathan's mysterious girlfriend "Myrtle" should double date.
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** Tons of this in Act I after Jonathan and Susan start dating behind Sandy's back. In one conversation Sandy suggests that he, Susan, Jonathan and Jonathan's mysterious girlfriend "Myrtle" should double
** In Act II, Bobbie accuses Jonathan of having a thing for Sandy's hot young girlfriend Cindy. Jonathan answers "You must have a very low opinion of me if you think I would do that to Sandy"--when the viewer knows that Jonathan ''did'' do that to Sandy back in college.
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* AmbiguousDisorder: Bobbie really seems to be suffering from UsefulNotes/{{Depression}}, but it's never specifically cited as her problem.
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* BuxomBeautyStandard: Discussed, and used to show how gross and sexist our main characters, and especially Jonathan, are. Jonathan brags more than once about Bobbie's breasts, at one point boasting to Sandy that Bobbie is "a D-cup."
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* CensorSteam: A fogged up mirror in the bathroom, as Sandy is shaving, just barely conceals the reflection of Jonathan's privates as he showers just beyond.
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* ExcitedShowTitle: ''Ballbusters on Parade!''
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Act II, circa 1960: The two men are now living in New York. Sandy is a doctor, Jonathan is an accountant. Sandy has married Susan and has settled into a domestic life. Jonathan prides himself as a [[TheCasanova Casanova]] but admits that he'd settle down with the right woman. He meets Bobbie (Ann-Margret), a curvaceous, but dense, actress. They eventually start living together, but between his self-centeredness and her imperfect psychological state, it's not a peaceful pairing. Meanwhile, Sandy grows bored with his bland married sex life and divorces Susan in favor of the younger Cindy (Cynthia O'Neal).
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Act II, circa 1960: The two men are now living in New York. Sandy is a doctor, Jonathan is an accountant. Sandy has married Susan and has settled into a domestic life. Jonathan prides himself as a [[TheCasanova Casanova]] but admits that he'd settle down with the right woman. He meets Bobbie (Ann-Margret), (Creator/AnnMargret), a curvaceous, but dense, actress. They eventually start living together, but between his self-centeredness and her imperfect psychological state, it's not a peaceful pairing. Meanwhile, Sandy grows bored with his bland married sex life and divorces Susan in favor of the younger Cindy (Cynthia O'Neal).
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Act III, circa 1970. Both men are now 40 and suffer through a [[HollywoodMidLifeCrisis mid-life crisis]]. Sandy has begun a relationship with an 18-year-old hippie named Jennifer (Creator/CarolKane), claiming that she's helped him achieve peace of mind. Jonathan has turned into a bitter misogynist, with erectile dysfunction issues. It's revealed that he married Bobbie and they had a daughter, but are now divorced. The film ends with Jonathan visiting Louise (Creator/RitaMoreno), a prostitute for whom he's a regular client. They end up doing an obviously much-practiced roleplaying routine: he lays back while she praises him for being a "real man".
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Act III, circa 1970. 1970: Both men are now 40 and suffer through a [[HollywoodMidLifeCrisis mid-life crisis]]. Sandy has begun a relationship with an 18-year-old hippie named Jennifer (Creator/CarolKane), claiming that she's helped him achieve peace of mind. Jonathan has turned into a bitter misogynist, with erectile dysfunction issues. It's revealed that he married Bobbie and they had a daughter, but are now divorced. The film ends with Jonathan visiting Louise (Creator/RitaMoreno), a prostitute for whom he's a regular client. They end up doing an obviously much-practiced roleplaying routine: he lays back while she praises him for being a "real man".
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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: Susan and Bobbie are spoken of in later acts, but don't actually appear. Cindy totally disappears after her last scene.
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''Carnal Knowledge'' is a 1971 {{Dramedy}} directed by Creator/MikeNichols, from a script by prolific cartoonist/writer Jules Feiffer. It's about the sexual misadventures of Jonathan (Creator/JackNicholson) and Sandy ([[Music/SimonAndGarfunkel Art Garfunkel]]), in three distinct acts set over a period of two decades.
Act I, circa 1950: Jonathan and Sandy are roommates at Amherst College in Massachusetts. Jonathan is obsessed with sex, while Sandy wants to find love. At a mixer, they both notice Susan (Creator/CandiceBergen), a student at nearby Smith College. Jonathan dares Sandy to ask her out. He approaches her, but she actually initiates the conversation. Soon Sandy and Susan are a couple, but Jonathan also secretly has a relationship with her. Eventually, she chooses Sandy.
Act II, circa 1960: The two men are now living in New York. Sandy is a doctor, Jonathan is an accountant. Sandy has married Susan and has settled into married life. Jonathan prides himself as a [[TheCasanova Casanova]] but admits that he'd settle down with the right woman. He meets Bobbie (Ann-Margret), a curvaceous, but dense, actress. They eventually start living together, but between his self-centeredness and her imperfect psychological state, it's not a peaceful pairing. Meanwhile, Sandy grows bored with his bland married sex life and divorces Susan in favor of the younger Cindy (Cynthia O'Neal).
Act III, circa 1970. Both men are now 40 and suffer through a [[HollywoodMidLifeCrisis mid-life crisis]]. Sandy has begun a relationship with an 18-year-old hippie named Jennifer (Creator/CarolKane), claiming that she's helped him achieve peace of mind. Jonathan has turned into a bitter misogynist, with erectile dysfunction issues. It's revealed that he married Bobbie and they had a daughter, but are now divorced. The film ends with Jonathan visiting Louise (Creator/RitaMoreno), a prostitute for whom he's a regular client. They end up doing an obviously much-practiced roleplaying routine: he lays back while she praises him for being a "real man".
A huge hit (one of the top 10 earning films of 1971) that also received lavish critical praise, it solidified Nicholson's star power and boosted most of the rest of the cast. But its sexually frank content, as well as nudity and profanity, made it hugely controversial as well, and it's still quite an eye-opener even today.
!!Jonathan Fuerst presents: Tropes on Parade!
* AmbiguousDisorder: Bobbie really seems to be suffering from UsefulNotes/{{Depression}}, but it's never specifically cited as her problem.
* AmbiguouslyJewish: The only really overt sign that Jonathan and Sandy are Jewish is when Jonathan calls Sandy a schmuck in the penultimate scene, but it's still obvious. Fun fact: Jules Feiffer had to coach Creator/JackNicholson on the proper way to say "schmuck".
* BungledSuicide: The climax of Act II is when [[spoiler:Sandy discovers that Bobbie has tried to kill herself, and calls an ambulance]].
* DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment: The titles on Jonathan's slide show are "Jonathan Fuerst presents a Jonathan Fuerst production: Ballbusters on Parade!".
* DivorceAssetsConflict: At the end, Jonathan is unhappily paying alimony to Bobbie.
* EmbarrassingSlide: In the final act, Jonathan subjects Sandy and Jennifer to a slide show that's just an excuse for him to diss every female he's been involved with, all the way back to grade school. At one point, a slide of Susan comes up, but he skips past it and apologizes. Sandy, naturally, gets very unnerved at the sight of his ex-wife.
* ExcitedShowTitle: ''Ballbusters on Parade!''
* HeterosexualLifePartners: In a very odd way, Jonathan and Sandy, who form the only consistent relationship in each other's lives.
* TheLoinsSleepTonight: An issue for Jonathan that only gets worse over the years.
* LoveTriangle: The focus of Act I, with Sandy and Jonathan both involved with Susan.
* MayDecemberRomance:
** In Act III, Sandy (40) and Jennifer (18), who wouldn't have even been alive when the events of Act I took place.
** In the slide show, Jonathan says he had a fling with a 16-year-old girl.
* MinimalistCast: The story covers 20 years, but there are just six speaking roles, plus [[TheVoiceless Jennifer]].
* NonActorVehicle: With [[Music/SimonAndGarfunkel Art Garfunkel]] as the co-lead, this film counts.
* OneGenderSchool: Jonathan and Sandy attend all-male Amherst (it became coeducational in 1975), Susan attends all-female Smith (it's still a single gender undergraduate school, but men are now allowed in the graduate programs).
* PlatonicProstitution: Jonathan's sessions with Louise do have a sexual component, but are more about his being able to listen to a woman tell him how wonderful he is and how he's just too real for most women to handle.
* PornStache: Sandy has grown one in the final act.
* PrecisionFStrike: Several, plus some other previously-taboo words, which helped whip up controversy over the film.
* ReallyFondOfSleeping: After a while, Bobbie spends most of her days in bed.
* ReallyGetsAround: Jonathan brags about having sex with lots of women, but it just comes off as the hollow boasting of an unhappy man.
* RedOniBlueOni: Jonathan is the HotBlooded Red Oni, Sandy is the more reserved Blue Oni.
* TheVoiceless: Jennifer doesn't speak in her one scene, in part because she's in shock over Jonathan's slide show.
* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: Susan and Bobbie are spoken of in later acts, but don't actually appear. Cindy totally disappears after her last scene.
''Carnal Knowledge'' is a 1971 {{Dramedy}} directed by Creator/MikeNichols, from a script by prolific cartoonist/writer Jules Feiffer. It's about the sexual misadventures of Jonathan (Creator/JackNicholson) and Sandy ([[Music/SimonAndGarfunkel Art Garfunkel]]), in three distinct acts set over a period of two decades.
Act I, circa 1950: Jonathan and Sandy are roommates at Amherst College in Massachusetts. Jonathan is obsessed with sex, while Sandy wants to find love. At a mixer, they both notice Susan (Creator/CandiceBergen), a student at nearby Smith College. Jonathan dares Sandy to ask her out. He approaches her, but she actually initiates the conversation. Soon Sandy and Susan are a couple, but Jonathan also secretly has a relationship with her. Eventually, she chooses Sandy.
Act II, circa 1960: The two men are now living in New York. Sandy is a doctor, Jonathan is an accountant. Sandy has married Susan and has settled into married life. Jonathan prides himself as a [[TheCasanova Casanova]] but admits that he'd settle down with the right woman. He meets Bobbie (Ann-Margret), a curvaceous, but dense, actress. They eventually start living together, but between his self-centeredness and her imperfect psychological state, it's not a peaceful pairing. Meanwhile, Sandy grows bored with his bland married sex life and divorces Susan in favor of the younger Cindy (Cynthia O'Neal).
Act III, circa 1970. Both men are now 40 and suffer through a [[HollywoodMidLifeCrisis mid-life crisis]]. Sandy has begun a relationship with an 18-year-old hippie named Jennifer (Creator/CarolKane), claiming that she's helped him achieve peace of mind. Jonathan has turned into a bitter misogynist, with erectile dysfunction issues. It's revealed that he married Bobbie and they had a daughter, but are now divorced. The film ends with Jonathan visiting Louise (Creator/RitaMoreno), a prostitute for whom he's a regular client. They end up doing an obviously much-practiced roleplaying routine: he lays back while she praises him for being a "real man".
A huge hit (one of the top 10 earning films of 1971) that also received lavish critical praise, it solidified Nicholson's star power and boosted most of the rest of the cast. But its sexually frank content, as well as nudity and profanity, made it hugely controversial as well, and it's still quite an eye-opener even today.
!!Jonathan Fuerst presents: Tropes on Parade!
* AmbiguousDisorder: Bobbie really seems to be suffering from UsefulNotes/{{Depression}}, but it's never specifically cited as her problem.
* AmbiguouslyJewish: The only really overt sign that Jonathan and Sandy are Jewish is when Jonathan calls Sandy a schmuck in the penultimate scene, but it's still obvious. Fun fact: Jules Feiffer had to coach Creator/JackNicholson on the proper way to say "schmuck".
* BungledSuicide: The climax of Act II is when [[spoiler:Sandy discovers that Bobbie has tried to kill herself, and calls an ambulance]].
* DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment: The titles on Jonathan's slide show are "Jonathan Fuerst presents a Jonathan Fuerst production: Ballbusters on Parade!".
* DivorceAssetsConflict: At the end, Jonathan is unhappily paying alimony to Bobbie.
* EmbarrassingSlide: In the final act, Jonathan subjects Sandy and Jennifer to a slide show that's just an excuse for him to diss every female he's been involved with, all the way back to grade school. At one point, a slide of Susan comes up, but he skips past it and apologizes. Sandy, naturally, gets very unnerved at the sight of his ex-wife.
* ExcitedShowTitle: ''Ballbusters on Parade!''
* HeterosexualLifePartners: In a very odd way, Jonathan and Sandy, who form the only consistent relationship in each other's lives.
* TheLoinsSleepTonight: An issue for Jonathan that only gets worse over the years.
* LoveTriangle: The focus of Act I, with Sandy and Jonathan both involved with Susan.
* MayDecemberRomance:
** In Act III, Sandy (40) and Jennifer (18), who wouldn't have even been alive when the events of Act I took place.
** In the slide show, Jonathan says he had a fling with a 16-year-old girl.
* MinimalistCast: The story covers 20 years, but there are just six speaking roles, plus [[TheVoiceless Jennifer]].
* NonActorVehicle: With [[Music/SimonAndGarfunkel Art Garfunkel]] as the co-lead, this film counts.
* OneGenderSchool: Jonathan and Sandy attend all-male Amherst (it became coeducational in 1975), Susan attends all-female Smith (it's still a single gender undergraduate school, but men are now allowed in the graduate programs).
* PlatonicProstitution: Jonathan's sessions with Louise do have a sexual component, but are more about his being able to listen to a woman tell him how wonderful he is and how he's just too real for most women to handle.
* PornStache: Sandy has grown one in the final act.
* PrecisionFStrike: Several, plus some other previously-taboo words, which helped whip up controversy over the film.
* ReallyFondOfSleeping: After a while, Bobbie spends most of her days in bed.
* ReallyGetsAround: Jonathan brags about having sex with lots of women, but it just comes off as the hollow boasting of an unhappy man.
* RedOniBlueOni: Jonathan is the HotBlooded Red Oni, Sandy is the more reserved Blue Oni.
* TheVoiceless: Jennifer doesn't speak in her one scene, in part because she's in shock over Jonathan's slide show.
* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: Susan and Bobbie are spoken of in later acts, but don't actually appear. Cindy totally disappears after her last scene.
