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* WhatAnIdiot: Luna, for not only threatening Shepard and his friends right to their faces, but also for believing that the natives of Equus would be able to hold their own against the technologically and numerically superior races of the Mass Effect galaxy if war were to break out. InUniverse, Cadence is not afraid to call her out on this.
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* NamesTheSame: [[InvokedTrope Invoked]]. Several Equestrian ScienceFiction books, as well as their authors, are nearly the same as human books.
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* SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome:
** Kirrahe, when he first wakes up in the ponies' care, attempts a SherlockScan to figure out everything he can about his captors, coming to the conclusion that they're smart enough to know how basic medical treatment works, but are too naive to tie him down... which lasts until he tries to get up and he realizes that he's so badly hurt from the crash that he's physically incapable of getting up, and thus doesn't ''need'' to be tied down.
** While Shepard and Tali give Rainbow Dash and Pinkie a tour, they first give a very thorough speech about how the ''Normandy'' is an active, operational spaceship, the dangers of them running around and touching things they shouldn't, why they shouldn't wander off, and how bad things could be if things really went wrong. They point out that mistakes on a warship mean that people could get seriously injured or killed, most of the crew can't understand the ponies, and that when things are done on a ship they're done for a ''reason'' and not for the amusement of guests.
** As Shepard points out, the resources of one star system, no matter how rich, would not be enough to stabilize the galactic economy. The Council points out that this is true, but it will provide an infusion of cash that will allow the economy to stabilize long enough to get at least somewhat back on its feet and give consumers and businesses confidence that things aren't going to spiral into oblivion.
** Kirrahe, when he first wakes up in the ponies' care, attempts a SherlockScan to figure out everything he can about his captors, coming to the conclusion that they're smart enough to know how basic medical treatment works, but are too naive to tie him down... which lasts until he tries to get up and he realizes that he's so badly hurt from the crash that he's physically incapable of getting up, and thus doesn't ''need'' to be tied down.
** While Shepard and Tali give Rainbow Dash and Pinkie a tour, they first give a very thorough speech about how the ''Normandy'' is an active, operational spaceship, the dangers of them running around and touching things they shouldn't, why they shouldn't wander off, and how bad things could be if things really went wrong. They point out that mistakes on a warship mean that people could get seriously injured or killed, most of the crew can't understand the ponies, and that when things are done on a ship they're done for a ''reason'' and not for the amusement of guests.
** As Shepard points out, the resources of one star system, no matter how rich, would not be enough to stabilize the galactic economy. The Council points out that this is true, but it will provide an infusion of cash that will allow the economy to stabilize long enough to get at least somewhat back on its feet and give consumers and businesses confidence that things aren't going to spiral into oblivion.
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* RealityEnsues:
** Kirrahe, when he first wakes up in the ponies' care, attempts a SherlockScan to figure out everything he can about his captors, coming to the conclusion that they're smart enough to know how basic medical treatment works, but are too naive to tie him down... which lasts until he tries to get up and he realizes that he's so badly hurt from the crash that he's physically incapable of getting up, and thus doesn't ''need'' to be tied down.
** While Shepard and Tali give Rainbow Dash and Pinkie a tour, they first give a very thorough speech about how the ''Normandy'' is an active, operational spaceship, the dangers of them running around and touching things they shouldn't, why they shouldn't wander off, and how bad things could be if things really went wrong. They point out that mistakes on a warship mean that people could get seriously injured or killed, most of the crew can't understand the ponies, and that when things are done on a ship they're done for a ''reason'' and not for the amusement of guests.
** As Shepard points out, the resources of one star system, no matter how rich, would not be enough to stabilize the galactic economy. The Council points out that this is true, but it will provide an infusion of cash that will allow the economy to stabilize long enough to get at least somewhat back on its feet and give consumers and businesses confidence that things aren't going to spiral into oblivion.
* RealityIsUnrealistic:
** Rainbow Dash actually complains that the ''Normandy'', a posterchild for the CoolStarship trope, "doesn't look like a real spaceship." She was expecting something [[RaygunGothic a flying saucer or rocket, with lots of fins]].
** She's also hit by this when she learns about how Mass Effect technology works- rather than laser beams and teleporters, most of it is based on understood physics principles and are constrained by energy use.
*** Funnily enough, this actually makes Twilight like and sympathize with the "Aliens," more- that they aren't all knowing beings with unlimited grasp over all science and reality, but have limitations to their power and knowledge, makes them less unknowable and more identifiable.
** Kirrahe, when he first wakes up in the ponies' care, attempts a SherlockScan to figure out everything he can about his captors, coming to the conclusion that they're smart enough to know how basic medical treatment works, but are too naive to tie him down... which lasts until he tries to get up and he realizes that he's so badly hurt from the crash that he's physically incapable of getting up, and thus doesn't ''need'' to be tied down.
** While Shepard and Tali give Rainbow Dash and Pinkie a tour, they first give a very thorough speech about how the ''Normandy'' is an active, operational spaceship, the dangers of them running around and touching things they shouldn't, why they shouldn't wander off, and how bad things could be if things really went wrong. They point out that mistakes on a warship mean that people could get seriously injured or killed, most of the crew can't understand the ponies, and that when things are done on a ship they're done for a ''reason'' and not for the amusement of guests.
** As Shepard points out, the resources of one star system, no matter how rich, would not be enough to stabilize the galactic economy. The Council points out that this is true, but it will provide an infusion of cash that will allow the economy to stabilize long enough to get at least somewhat back on its feet and give consumers and businesses confidence that things aren't going to spiral into oblivion.
* RealityIsUnrealistic:
** Rainbow Dash actually complains that the ''Normandy'', a posterchild for the CoolStarship trope, "doesn't look like a real spaceship." She was expecting something [[RaygunGothic a flying saucer or rocket, with lots of fins]].
** She's also hit by this when she learns about how Mass Effect technology works- rather than laser beams and teleporters, most of it is based on understood physics principles and are constrained by energy use.
*** Funnily enough, this actually makes Twilight like and sympathize with the "Aliens," more- that they aren't all knowing beings with unlimited grasp over all science and reality, but have limitations to their power and knowledge, makes them less unknowable and more identifiable.
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** Kirrahe, when he first wakes up in the ponies' care, attempts a SherlockScan to figure out everything he can about his captors, coming to the conclusion that they're smart enough to know how basic medical treatment works, but are too naive to tie him down... which lasts until he tries to get up and he realizes that he's so badly hurt from the crash that he's physically incapable of getting up, and thus doesn't ''need'' to be tied down.
** While Shepard and Tali give Rainbow Dash and Pinkie a tour, they first give a very thorough speech about how the ''Normandy'' is an active, operational spaceship, the dangers of them running around and touching things they shouldn't, why they shouldn't wander off, and how bad things could be if things really went wrong. They point out that mistakes on a warship mean that people could get seriously injured or killed, most of the crew can't understand the ponies, and that when things are done on a ship they're done for a ''reason'' and not for the amusement of guests.
** As Shepard points out, the resources of one star system, no matter how rich, would not be enough to stabilize the galactic economy. The Council points out that this is true, but it will provide an infusion of cash that will allow the economy to stabilize long enough to get at least somewhat back on its feet and give consumers and businesses confidence that things aren't going to spiral into oblivion.
* RealityIsUnrealistic:
** Rainbow Dash actually complains that the ''Normandy'', a posterchild for the CoolStarship trope, "doesn't look like a real spaceship." She was expecting something [[RaygunGothic a flying saucer or rocket, with lots of fins]].
** She's also hit by this when she learns about how Mass Effect technology works- rather than laser beams and teleporters, most of it is based on understood physics principles and are constrained by energy use.
*** Funnily enough, this actually makes Twilight like and sympathize with the "Aliens," more- that they aren't all knowing beings with unlimited grasp over all science and reality, but have limitations to their power and knowledge, makes them less unknowable and more identifiable.
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* SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome:
** Kirrahe, when he first wakes up in the ponies' care, attempts a SherlockScan to figure out everything he can about his captors, coming to the conclusion that they're smart enough to know how basic medical treatment works, but are too naive to tie him down... which lasts until he tries to get up and he realizes that he's so badly hurt from the crash that he's physically incapable of getting up, and thus doesn't ''need'' to be tied down.
** While Shepard and Tali give Rainbow Dash and Pinkie a tour, they first give a very thorough speech about how the ''Normandy'' is an active, operational spaceship, the dangers of them running around and touching things they shouldn't, why they shouldn't wander off, and how bad things could be if things really went wrong. They point out that mistakes on a warship mean that people could get seriously injured or killed, most of the crew can't understand the ponies, and that when things are done on a ship they're done for a ''reason'' and not for the amusement of guests.
** As Shepard points out, the resources of one star system, no matter how rich, would not be enough to stabilize the galactic economy. The Council points out that this is true, but it will provide an infusion of cash that will allow the economy to stabilize long enough to get at least somewhat back on its feet and give consumers and businesses confidence that things aren't going to spiral into oblivion.
* RealityIsUnrealistic:
** Rainbow Dash actually complains that the ''Normandy'', a posterchild for the CoolStarship trope, "doesn't look like a real spaceship." She was expecting something [[RaygunGothic a flying saucer or rocket, with lots of fins]].
** She's also hit by this when she learns about how Mass Effect technology works- rather than laser beams and teleporters, most of it is based on understood physics principles and are constrained by energy use.
*** Funnily enough, this actually makes Twilight like and sympathize with the "Aliens," more- that they aren't all knowing beings with unlimited grasp over all science and reality, but have limitations to their power and knowledge, makes them less unknowable and more identifiable.
** Kirrahe, when he first wakes up in the ponies' care, attempts a SherlockScan to figure out everything he can about his captors, coming to the conclusion that they're smart enough to know how basic medical treatment works, but are too naive to tie him down... which lasts until he tries to get up and he realizes that he's so badly hurt from the crash that he's physically incapable of getting up, and thus doesn't ''need'' to be tied down.
** While Shepard and Tali give Rainbow Dash and Pinkie a tour, they first give a very thorough speech about how the ''Normandy'' is an active, operational spaceship, the dangers of them running around and touching things they shouldn't, why they shouldn't wander off, and how bad things could be if things really went wrong. They point out that mistakes on a warship mean that people could get seriously injured or killed, most of the crew can't understand the ponies, and that when things are done on a ship they're done for a ''reason'' and not for the amusement of guests.
** As Shepard points out, the resources of one star system, no matter how rich, would not be enough to stabilize the galactic economy. The Council points out that this is true, but it will provide an infusion of cash that will allow the economy to stabilize long enough to get at least somewhat back on its feet and give consumers and businesses confidence that things aren't going to spiral into oblivion.
* RealityIsUnrealistic:
** Rainbow Dash actually complains that the ''Normandy'', a posterchild for the CoolStarship trope, "doesn't look like a real spaceship." She was expecting something [[RaygunGothic a flying saucer or rocket, with lots of fins]].
** She's also hit by this when she learns about how Mass Effect technology works- rather than laser beams and teleporters, most of it is based on understood physics principles and are constrained by energy use.
*** Funnily enough, this actually makes Twilight like and sympathize with the "Aliens," more- that they aren't all knowing beings with unlimited grasp over all science and reality, but have limitations to their power and knowledge, makes them less unknowable and more identifiable.
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In the year 2186, [[Franchise/MassEffect the Reapers]] returned for the harvest, and brought the galaxy to its knees. Thanks to the diplomacy and action of [[PlayerCharacter Commander Shawn Shepard]] [[hottip:Note: MaleShep, Spacer background, Vanguard, Romanced Tali, Saved the Krogan, Geth and Quarians at peace, Destroy Ending, Kaiden is Virmire Survivor, completed all DLC]], every species threw aside their differences and banded together to fight the ancient menace, but the onslaught was relentless and defeat was almost certain. However, the races pooled their resources to create a mysterious weapon, the Catalyst, and made a final, desperate push to activate the weapon. At great cost, the weapon was fired, and Shepard destroyed the Reapers at the cost of all synthetics of the galaxy. Decimated and weary, the galaxy can finally focus on rebuilding.
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In the year 2186, [[Franchise/MassEffect the Reapers]] returned for the harvest, and brought the galaxy to its knees. Thanks to the diplomacy and action of [[PlayerCharacter Commander Shawn Shepard]] [[hottip:Note: [[note]] MaleShep, Spacer background, Vanguard, Romanced Tali, Saved the Krogan, Geth and Quarians at peace, Destroy Ending, Kaiden is Virmire Survivor, completed all DLC]], DLC [[/note]], every species threw aside their differences and banded together to fight the ancient menace, but the onslaught was relentless and defeat was almost certain. However, the races pooled their resources to create a mysterious weapon, the Catalyst, and made a final, desperate push to activate the weapon. At great cost, the weapon was fired, and Shepard destroyed the Reapers at the cost of all synthetics of the galaxy. Decimated and weary, the galaxy can finally focus on rebuilding.
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** Equus is only about a hundred lightyears from Sur'kesh, the Salarian home world. Its non-discovery before now is chalked up to how huge space is, how much there still is to explore, and a nearby neutron star providing cover for the system.
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** Equus is only about a few hundred lightyears from Sur'kesh, the Salarian home world. Its non-discovery before now is chalked up to how huge space is, how much there still is to explore, and a nearby neutron star providing cover for the system.
* HumansAreWarriors: and so are the rest of the aliens of the Mass Effect universe. Ponies are a deeply empathic race, who have many problems with going out to deliberately harm others. Shining Armor was able to reach such a high rank because he's able to command in situations where loss of life is possible. However, Celestia is taken aback when Major Kirrahe, badly wounded, is able to take down a Mantacore in ''seconds'' with no hesitation or regret, something that would take a special pony combat team over an hour to do (and almost certainly with mental scars).
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** The Mane Six, meanwhile, are the Elements of Harmony and show the most honest part of ordinary Equestria, which is why they were called.
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** The Mane Six, meanwhile, are the Elements of Harmony and show the most honest part of ordinary Equestria, which is why they were called. This is also deconstructed, as while they may be good ponies, the closest any of them are to diplomats or officials is Rainbow Dash, who's training to join a stunt flying squadron. Compared to the specialists and military officials that Shepard brings to the table, the ponies come across looking less than prepared.
** A Manticore, in the backstory, tried to attack Major Kirrahe. In a fight between an experienced member of the Special Tasks Group of one of the most powerful governments in the galaxy, whose primary weapon is a gun that shoots sticky grenades, the Manticore is headless in seconds.
* OnlySaneMan: The only member of the Royal Family who realizes how dangerous and game-changing the presence of Aliens is is Cadence. The rest seem to treat it as a continuation of normal affairs- Shining sees diplomats to wow with military displays, Luna shows aggression, Celestia is condescending, and Twilight just wants to learn. Cadence recognizes that things need to proceed ''very carefully'' since the aliens are more powerful then they are.
* OutsideContextProblem: Literal Space Aliens aren't something that the nigh-immortal rulers of Equestria have ever seen or prepared for before. Cadence [[WhatTheHellHero calls them out]] for trying to continue to act like this event is a continuation of normal politics when they clearly do not have the upper hand.
* PaperTiger: Cadence calls out ''Shining'' on this, as he passed off some of the most elite soldiers in Equestria as their standard line soldiers, as well as other tricks like having hollow boulders in place of the ones unicorns are supposed to lift. While Shining wants to look big and tough in case the aliens decide to get rough, Cadence knows that with the tech difference (not to mention that the aliens would have full control over the orbitals) it's just a bluff and nothing more.
* PaperTiger: Cadence calls out ''Shining'' on this, as he passed off some of the most elite soldiers in Equestria as their standard line soldiers, as well as other tricks like having hollow boulders in place of the ones unicorns are supposed to lift. While Shining wants to look big and tough in case the aliens decide to get rough, Cadence knows that with the tech difference (not to mention that the aliens would have full control over the orbitals) it's just a bluff and nothing more.
* VerbalBackspace: Rarity fantasizes about going into space and meeting dashing space explorers to romance her, but takes it back when she learns the race most likely to act like that are the Asari, who are all "mares" (female).
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** Equally, the leadership of the ponies is also divided. Celestia wants things to go off smoothly, but she's too willing to bend over backwards and is condescending. Luna is openly hostile towards the various aliens and hyper-suspicious of their motives, nearly starting a fight at several circumstances (and the Dragon ambassador implies that she's started wars before with this exact attitude). Cadence is annoyed that both ponies are jepordizing the whole thing for their planet, not seeing the big picture, and frustrated that they want to try to do the "we know better because we're the strongest and always right," thing they always do, despite these aliens being fully capable of wiping them off the face of the galaxy. Twilight has her own issues- like trying to keep her friends from accidentally insulting alien diplomats or assaulting them.
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** Equally, the leadership of the ponies is also divided. Celestia wants things to go off smoothly, but she's too willing to bend over backwards and is condescending. Luna is openly hostile towards the various aliens and hyper-suspicious of their motives, nearly starting a fight at several circumstances (and the Dragon ambassador implies that she's started wars before with this exact attitude). Cadence is annoyed that both ponies are jepordizing jeopardizing the whole thing for their planet, not seeing the big picture, and frustrated that they want to try to do the "we know better because we're the strongest and always right," thing they always do, despite these aliens being fully capable of wiping them off the face of the galaxy. Twilight has her own issues- like trying to keep her friends from accidentally insulting alien diplomats or assaulting them.
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*** Funnily enough, this actually makes Twilight like and sympathize with the "Aliens," more- that they aren't all knowing beings with unlimited grasp over all science and reality, but have limitations to their power and knowledge, makes them less unknowable and more identifiable.
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In the year 2186, [[Franchise/MassEffect the Reapers]] returned for the harvest, and brought the galaxy to its knees. Thanks to the diplomacy and action of [[PlayerCharacter Commander Shawn Shepard]] [[hottip:*: MaleShep, Spacer background, Vanguard, Romanced Tali, Saved the Krogan, Geth and Quarians at peace, Destroy Ending, Kaiden is Virmire Survivor, completed all DLC]], every species threw aside their differences and banded together to fight the ancient menace, but the onslaught was relentless and defeat was almost certain. However, the races pooled their resources to create a mysterious weapon, the Catalyst, and made a final, desperate push to activate the weapon. At great cost, the weapon was fired, and Shepard destroyed the Reapers at the cost of all synthetics of the galaxy. Decimated and weary, the galaxy can finally focus on rebuilding.
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In the year 2186, [[Franchise/MassEffect the Reapers]] returned for the harvest, and brought the galaxy to its knees. Thanks to the diplomacy and action of [[PlayerCharacter Commander Shawn Shepard]] [[hottip:*: [[hottip:Note: MaleShep, Spacer background, Vanguard, Romanced Tali, Saved the Krogan, Geth and Quarians at peace, Destroy Ending, Kaiden is Virmire Survivor, completed all DLC]], every species threw aside their differences and banded together to fight the ancient menace, but the onslaught was relentless and defeat was almost certain. However, the races pooled their resources to create a mysterious weapon, the Catalyst, and made a final, desperate push to activate the weapon. At great cost, the weapon was fired, and Shepard destroyed the Reapers at the cost of all synthetics of the galaxy. Decimated and weary, the galaxy can finally focus on rebuilding.
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* LeaningOnTheFourthWall: Shepard admits that he's amused that he's negotiating with a race that looks like they stepped from a cartoon designed to sell cheap toys- referencing, well, real life there, while Dash hears the name of the energy released by Element Zero, and thinks that "Mass Effect," would be a pretty good name for a sci-fi series.
** As Shepard points out, the resources of one star system, no matter how rich, would not be enough to stabilize the galactic economy. The Council points out that this is true, but it will provide an infusion of cash that will allow the economy to stabilize long enough to get at least somewhat back on its feet and give consumers and businesses confidence that things aren't going to spiral into oblivion.
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** Equally, the leadership of the ponies is also divided. Celestia wants things to go off smoothly, but she's too willing to bend over backwards and is condescending. Luna is openly hostile towards the various aliens and hyper-suspicious of their motives, nearly starting a fight at several circumstances. Cadence is annoyed that both ponies are jepordizing the whole thing for their planet, not seeing the big picture, and frustrated that they want to try to do the "we know better because we're the strongest and always right," thing they always do, despite these aliens being fully capable of wiping them off the face of the galaxy. Twilight has her own issues- like trying to keep her friends from accidentally insulting alien diplomats or assaulting them.
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** Equally, the leadership of the ponies is also divided. Celestia wants things to go off smoothly, but she's too willing to bend over backwards and is condescending. Luna is openly hostile towards the various aliens and hyper-suspicious of their motives, nearly starting a fight at several circumstances.circumstances (and the Dragon ambassador implies that she's started wars before with this exact attitude). Cadence is annoyed that both ponies are jepordizing the whole thing for their planet, not seeing the big picture, and frustrated that they want to try to do the "we know better because we're the strongest and always right," thing they always do, despite these aliens being fully capable of wiping them off the face of the galaxy. Twilight has her own issues- like trying to keep her friends from accidentally insulting alien diplomats or assaulting them.
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* GenreSavvy: Cadence. Though she and Shining Armor read the same ScienceFiction books, she puts her readings far more into practice, warning both her husband and the Princesses about the dangers of what they're doing: Shining Armor for pretending his best troops were the standard Equestrian military, Celestia for being condescending towards Shepard to save face for Luna, and Luna for [[MuggingTheMonster actually threatening Shepard]]. Luna, unfortunately, hasn't learned her lesson yet.
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* GenreSavvy: Cadence. Though she and Shining Armor read the same ScienceFiction books, she puts her readings far more into practice, warning both her husband and the Princesses about the dangers of what they're doing: Shining Armor for pretending his best troops were the standard Equestrian military, Celestia for being condescending towards Shepard to save face for Luna, and Luna for [[MuggingTheMonster actually threatening Shepard]]. Luna, unfortunately, hasn't learned her lesson yet. Cadence then goes on to say that no, Equus could not win a fight with the Citadel Council if even a quarter of the things Science Fiction speculates on are true, and that if the Council is bending over backwards to make a good impression, it means that a) they want something from the ponies and b) they're not the kind of people to just go in and take things, but are more than capable of doing so.
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*** This is ''especially'' apparent with Grunt, who would be suited well for Krogan-style ambassadorialship... which basically means "Show how strong you are to make your clan look good while the females take care of the little details." Unfortunately, this comes at the cost of him being literally less than two years old and having the patience and tact to match, causing him to be very disruptive amongst the ponies.
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* PunyEarthlings: Biologically, the ponies come across as this. They can understand tech (potentially) faster than the Salarians, have access to magic, and are genetically engineered to an insane degree. Celestia and Luna even act like this initially. This is quickly dispelled for Celestia when she sees Kirrahe easily- in a matter of a few seconds- kill a Manticore, something she notes would take an eight-pony squad of combat specialists an hour to do.
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** Pinkie Pie, in an effort to make friends, shoots Grunt with a Party Cannon in the middle of a big meeting. Shockingly, this innocent act of "attacking a diplomat with an unknown weapon," only doesn't end in disaster because Grunt found it amusing, and she gets chewed out by everyone later on.
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** Pinkie Pie, in an effort to make friends, shoots Grunt with a Party Cannon in the middle of a big meeting. Shockingly, this innocent act of "attacking a diplomat with an unknown weapon," only doesn't end in disaster because Grunt found it amusing, and she gets chewed out by everyone later on. More seriously, it leads to Luna immobilizing Shepard with magic to prevent him from drawing his weapons, which has repercussions later on.
* MySensorsIndicateYouWantToTapThat: Cadence's love senses allow her to see that Liara is not only in love with Shepard, but is pregnant with his child. Unfortunately, Shepard is not polygamus and Liara didn't know that she was pregnant.
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** The Mass Effect races are not unified. In fact, the stress of the Reaper War seems to have made this worse. In the Council, the Salarians are increasingly isolated because of the actions they took during and before the war (such as studying Yahg to see if they were able to be used like the krogan), and the Hierarchy is facing civil war. Hacket is also stuck being the reasonable man when the Council pressures Shepard to get the Equestrians on their side thanks to the pressures that they're under.
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** The Mass Effect races are not unified. In fact, the stress of the Reaper War seems to have made this worse. In the Council, the Salarians are increasingly isolated because of the actions they took during and before the war (such as studying Yahg to see if they were able to be used like the krogan), krogan, or telling the rest of the galaxy to go away once the Krogan were cured of the Genophage), and the Hierarchy is facing civil war. Hacket is also stuck being the reasonable man when the Council pressures Shepard to get the Equestrians on their side thanks to the pressures that they're under.
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** The council wants Shepard to bring in Equus because of their vast material resources and money... but as they themselves point out, the Reaper War has triggered a massive economic recession that could kill galactic society, and at the bare minimum, ''they'' won't just strip-mine all the planets like a pirate gang or Terminus nation would.
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** The council wants Shepard to bring in Equus because of their vast material resources and money... but as they themselves point out, the Reaper War has triggered a massive economic recession that could kill galactic society, society more effectively than the Reapers could, and at the bare minimum, ''they'' won't just strip-mine all the planets like a pirate gang or Terminus nation would.would.
** Liara brings up how first contacts with pre-spaceflight capable races can go wrong, and gets glared at by the krogan in the room... but given that said contacts would include the Rachni, Krogan, Vorcha, and Yahg, two of which resulted in major galactic war and the last of which devoured the first contact team, she's got a bit of a point.
** Liara brings up how first contacts with pre-spaceflight capable races can go wrong, and gets glared at by the krogan in the room... but given that said contacts would include the Rachni, Krogan, Vorcha, and Yahg, two of which resulted in major galactic war and the last of which devoured the first contact team, she's got a bit of a point.
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** The only male pony at the first contact luncheon is Shining Armor, a member of the guard. The rest are females... though admittedly this is somewhat averted when Pinkie shoots Grunt with a cake, and Luna uses magic to restrain Shepard's response.
** Liara explains that this is how the Krogan work to the assembled ponies, which is why Grunt isn't happy here- the female krogan are the ones who talk and negotiate deals. In a similar situation between male clans, Grunt would be expected to strut around looking tough and fight things to show off the strength of his clan to potential rivals.
** The only male pony at the first contact luncheon is Shining Armor, a member of the guard. The rest are females... though admittedly this is somewhat averted when Pinkie shoots Grunt with a cake, and Luna uses magic to restrain Shepard's response.
** Liara explains that this is how the Krogan work to the assembled ponies, which is why Grunt isn't happy here- the female krogan are the ones who talk and negotiate deals. In a similar situation between male clans, Grunt would be expected to strut around looking tough and fight things to show off the strength of his clan to potential rivals.
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* WeAreStrugglingTogether:
** The Mass Effect races are not unified. In fact, the stress of the Reaper War seems to have made this worse. In the Council, the Salarians are increasingly isolated because of the actions they took during and before the war (such as studying Yahg to see if they were able to be used like the krogan), and the Hierarchy is facing civil war. Hacket is also stuck being the reasonable man when the Council pressures Shepard to get the Equestrians on their side thanks to the pressures that they're under.
** Equally, the leadership of the ponies is also divided. Celestia wants things to go off smoothly, but she's too willing to bend over backwards and is condescending. Luna is openly hostile towards the various aliens and hyper-suspicious of their motives, nearly starting a fight at several circumstances. Cadence is annoyed that both ponies are jepordizing the whole thing for their planet, not seeing the big picture, and frustrated that they want to try to do the "we know better because we're the strongest and always right," thing they always do, despite these aliens being fully capable of wiping them off the face of the galaxy. Twilight has her own issues- like trying to keep her friends from accidentally insulting alien diplomats or assaulting them.
** The Mass Effect races are not unified. In fact, the stress of the Reaper War seems to have made this worse. In the Council, the Salarians are increasingly isolated because of the actions they took during and before the war (such as studying Yahg to see if they were able to be used like the krogan), and the Hierarchy is facing civil war. Hacket is also stuck being the reasonable man when the Council pressures Shepard to get the Equestrians on their side thanks to the pressures that they're under.
** Equally, the leadership of the ponies is also divided. Celestia wants things to go off smoothly, but she's too willing to bend over backwards and is condescending. Luna is openly hostile towards the various aliens and hyper-suspicious of their motives, nearly starting a fight at several circumstances. Cadence is annoyed that both ponies are jepordizing the whole thing for their planet, not seeing the big picture, and frustrated that they want to try to do the "we know better because we're the strongest and always right," thing they always do, despite these aliens being fully capable of wiping them off the face of the galaxy. Twilight has her own issues- like trying to keep her friends from accidentally insulting alien diplomats or assaulting them.
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* ProudWarriorRaceGuy: Grunt fits this to a T. Admittedly, he is literally less than a year old and most of his experience is in hitting things or blowing things up, but he's easily one of the most disruptive members of the party. He starts demanding that someone shoot or hit him, kicking off the "Pinkie Pie Party Cannon" event. He also openly bemoans that the type of negotiating he's used to isn't of any use here, and thus he's very bored.
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* RealityEnsues: Kirrahe, when he first wakes up in the ponies' care, attempts a SherlockScan to figure out everything he can about his captors, coming to the conclusion that they're smart enough to know how basic medical treatment works, but are too naive to tie him down... which lasts until he tries to get up and he realizes that he's so badly hurt from the crash that he's physically incapable of getting up, and thus doesn't ''need'' to be tied down.
* RealityIsUnrealistic: Rainbow Dash actually complains that the ''Normandy'', a posterchild for the CoolStarship trope, "doesn't look like a real spaceship." She was expecting something [[RaygunGothic a flying saucer or rocket, with lots of fins]].
* RomanticRunnerUp: Liara, considering her unrequited crush and Shepard's current relationship with Tali.
* RealityIsUnrealistic: Rainbow Dash actually complains that the ''Normandy'', a posterchild for the CoolStarship trope, "doesn't look like a real spaceship." She was expecting something [[RaygunGothic a flying saucer or rocket, with lots of fins]].
* RomanticRunnerUp: Liara, considering her unrequited crush and Shepard's current relationship with Tali.
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* RealityEnsues: RealityEnsues:
** Kirrahe, when he first wakes up in the ponies' care, attempts a SherlockScan to figure out everything he can about his captors, coming to the conclusion that they're smart enough to know how basic medical treatment works, but are too naive to tie him down... which lasts until he tries to get up and he realizes that he's so badly hurt from the crash that he's physically incapable of getting up, and thus doesn't ''need'' to be tied down.
** While Shepard and Tali give Rainbow Dash and Pinkie a tour, they first give a very thorough speech about how the ''Normandy'' is an active, operational spaceship, the dangers of them running around and touching things they shouldn't, why they shouldn't wander off, and how bad things could be if things really went wrong. They point out that mistakes on a warship mean that people could get seriously injured or killed, most of the crew can't understand the ponies, and that when things are done on a ship they're done for a ''reason'' and not for the amusement of guests.
*RealityIsUnrealistic: RealityIsUnrealistic:
** Rainbow Dash actually complains that the ''Normandy'', a posterchild for the CoolStarship trope, "doesn't look like a real spaceship." She was expecting something [[RaygunGothic a flying saucer or rocket, with lots of fins]].
** She's also hit by this when she learns about how Mass Effect technology works- rather than laser beams and teleporters, most of it is based on understood physics principles and are constrained by energy use.
* RomanticRunnerUp: Liara, considering her unrequited crush and Shepard's current relationship with Tali. [[spoiler: This proves a problem when she realizes that she's pregnant with Shepard's child.]]
** Kirrahe, when he first wakes up in the ponies' care, attempts a SherlockScan to figure out everything he can about his captors, coming to the conclusion that they're smart enough to know how basic medical treatment works, but are too naive to tie him down... which lasts until he tries to get up and he realizes that he's so badly hurt from the crash that he's physically incapable of getting up, and thus doesn't ''need'' to be tied down.
** While Shepard and Tali give Rainbow Dash and Pinkie a tour, they first give a very thorough speech about how the ''Normandy'' is an active, operational spaceship, the dangers of them running around and touching things they shouldn't, why they shouldn't wander off, and how bad things could be if things really went wrong. They point out that mistakes on a warship mean that people could get seriously injured or killed, most of the crew can't understand the ponies, and that when things are done on a ship they're done for a ''reason'' and not for the amusement of guests.
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** Rainbow Dash actually complains that the ''Normandy'', a posterchild for the CoolStarship trope, "doesn't look like a real spaceship." She was expecting something [[RaygunGothic a flying saucer or rocket, with lots of fins]].
** She's also hit by this when she learns about how Mass Effect technology works- rather than laser beams and teleporters, most of it is based on understood physics principles and are constrained by energy use.
* RomanticRunnerUp: Liara, considering her unrequited crush and Shepard's current relationship with Tali. [[spoiler: This proves a problem when she realizes that she's pregnant with Shepard's child.]]
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** Deconstructed for the Mane Six as well. Twilight has a frightening realization that while she's a princess, her friends are ordinary ponies. Sure, they wield the Elements of Harmony, but compared to the military ambassadors and elite agents of Shepard's crew, they just don't compare. Especially seen when Rainbow Dash thinks ME tech is lame because [[RaygunGothic they lack ray guns or flying saucers]].
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** Deconstructed for the Mane Six as well. Twilight has a frightening realization that while she's a princess, her friends are ordinary ponies. Sure, they wield the Elements of Harmony, but compared to the military ambassadors and elite agents of Shepard's crew, they just don't compare. Especially compare- the only one who approaches getting something like military service is Rainbow Dash, who is attempting to join the Wonderbolts. This lack of professionalism is especially seen when Rainbow Dash thinks ME tech is lame because [[RaygunGothic they lack ray guns or flying saucers]].
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* CozyCatastrophe: The Equestrians were only discovered after the Reaper War, and as such they're the only ones ''not'' devastated by the conflict. This leaves them at a ''very'' advantageous position due to the Citadel Races desperately needing their resources. Of course, they don't know that... [[ChronicHeroSyndrome until Shepard tells Celestia]]. Fortunately, [[ReasonableAuthorityFIgure she knows not to take advantage of his kindness]].
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* CozyCatastrophe: The Equestrians were only discovered after the Reaper War, and as such they're the only ones ''not'' devastated by the conflict. This leaves them at a ''very'' advantageous position due to the Citadel Races desperately needing their resources. Of course, they don't know that... [[ChronicHeroSyndrome until Shepard tells Celestia]]. Fortunately, [[ReasonableAuthorityFIgure [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure she knows not to take advantage of his kindness]].
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* MyGreatestFailure: Shepard picked the "Destroy" ending, wiping out all of the Geth who had finally made peace with the Quarians, and EDI as well. Naturally, he beats himself up regularly over this.
** Slightly justified, though, as "Destroy" is the only ending in which Shepard survives.
** Slightly justified, though, as "Destroy" is the only ending in which Shepard survives.
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* MyGreatestFailure: Shepard picked the "Destroy" ending, wiping out all of the Geth who had finally made peace with the Quarians, and EDI as well. Naturally, he beats himself up regularly over this.
** Slightlythis. It's slightly justified, though, as "Destroy" is the only ending in which Shepard survives.
** Slightly
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* ConfirmationBias: Luna immediately accepts that Shepard is a horrible person upon hearing about Bahak, phrasing it as "He personally killed over three hundred thousand thinking beings," without trying to find out ''why'' he did so. She already dislikes him for being an outsider who could hurt her ponies, for being a soldier who has next to no problems with killing, and for being technically undead, so one more piece of data that helps confirm that worldview doesn't hurt. The problem is that when in context, his actions are not supportive of that belief at all, which Tali points out.
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* ConfirmationBias: InUniverse, Luna immediately accepts that Shepard is a horrible person upon hearing about Bahak, phrasing it as "He personally killed over three hundred thousand thinking beings," without trying to find out ''why'' he did so. She already dislikes him for being an outsider who could hurt her ponies, for being a soldier who has next to no problems with killing, and for being technically undead, so one more piece of data that helps confirm that worldview doesn't hurt. The problem is that when in context, his actions are not supportive of that belief at all, which Tali points out.
