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* SufficientlyAdvancedAliens: The Vorlon, big time. They actually showed up in person only in a flashback, but the Orieni worship them as their Living Gods. If you ask the Centauri and the Minbari, however, they will point out they're this trope.

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* SufficientlyAdvancedAliens: SufficientlyAdvancedAlien: The Vorlon, big time. They actually showed up in person only in a flashback, but the Orieni worship them as their Living Gods. If you ask the Centauri and the Minbari, however, they will point out they're this trope.
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* HegemonicEmpire: The Orieni Empire has shades of this, as the government of the member worlds is left to the locals, who are ''very'' happy of being Orieni citizens and only complain that their races lack native Blessed (telepaths) to serve as their governor and representative in the Council of Hierophants. The only reason they aren't ''fully'' one is why they lack their own telepaths: the Orieni ''killed them all'' and [[OrwellianEditor altered historical records to make it appear they never had them in first place]].

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* HegemonicEmpire: The Orieni Empire has shades of this, as the government of the member worlds is left to the locals, who are ''very'' happy of being Orieni citizens and only complain that their races lack native Blessed (telepaths) to serve as their governor and representative in the Council of Hierophants. The only reason they aren't ''fully'' one is why they lack their own telepaths: the Orieni ''killed them all'' and [[OrwellianEditor [[InternalRetcon altered historical records to make it appear they never had them in first place]].
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-->'' "There are…rumblings amongst the Houses."''

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-->'' "There are…rumblings are...rumblings amongst the Houses."''
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* DeadlyDecadentCourt: The Centauri Royal Court is even ''worse than in the series'', as [[AllThereInTheManual the Royal Navy reaction to one of their stunts forced them to clean their act]].

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* DeadlyDecadentCourt: DecadentCourt: The Centauri Royal Court is even ''worse than in the series'', as [[AllThereInTheManual the Royal Navy reaction to one of their stunts forced them to clean their act]].



* GoodRepublicEvilEmpire: HaHaHaNo. OK, let's explain this: the short version is that Centauri 'Republic' is an empire with an hell of a DeadlyDecadentCourt, while the actual authority of the Orieni Empire is not the [[AuthorityInNameOnly Emperor of Orien]] but the [[TheTheocracy Council of Hierophants]].

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* GoodRepublicEvilEmpire: HaHaHaNo. OK, let's explain this: the short version is that Centauri 'Republic' is an empire with an hell of a DeadlyDecadentCourt, DecadentCourt, while the actual authority of the Orieni Empire is not the [[AuthorityInNameOnly Emperor of Orien]] but the [[TheTheocracy Council of Hierophants]].
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* EnergyWeapon: Both sides make heavy use of lasers as long range weapons.



* FrickinLaserBeam: Both sides make heavy use of lasers as long range weapons.
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* TheDreaded: Some people or things are just that feared:
** The Minbari and the Vorlon are feared by both Centauri and Orieni for their superior firepower and, in the Minbari's case, their propensity for DisproportionateRetribution.
** The Na'ka'leen Feeder is a brain-eating semi-sentient creature that moves extremely silently, attacks all sentients, and reproduces by infection, making any survivor of a Feeder attack a potential carrier and, if they reach an inhabitated world, a mortal danger for the entire galaxy. Upon realizing what they were dealing with, the Centauri devised procedures to identify the infectees early, quarantined their otherwise paradisiac homeworld of Na'ka'leen just to be safe, and if someone is caught slipping through the blockade [[ShootTheDog they'll hunt them down and kill them before they reach an inhabitated world]].

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* ShootTheDog: At one point a Centauri patrol intercepts the Orieni explorer ''Farthest Horizon'' and some of its escorts close to Centauri Prime, and accept their surrender... Until the Orieni admit the reason they were so eager to surrender was that ''something'' had boarded them when they landed on Na'ka'leen, at which point the Centauri, who know exactly the horror represented by the Na'ka'leen Feeder and that it reproduces by infecting people, shoot down the ship and most of the escape pods to kill as many of the Feeders and infectee, screen carefully the survivors and interrogate the ones who they didn't have to MercyKill, so they'll know how many ships they still have to hunt down to save the galaxy from the Feeders.



* ASimplePlan: The initial Centauri plan is to smash through Djost's defences and attack Orien, and fails due the sheer might of Djost's defences, the incompetence of the Centauri House Militia commanders (and of some Royal Navy admirals), and [[WeAreStrugglingTogether general bickering]], with the Orieni losing sleep in the search of whatever sucker punch had been hidden by the first failed assault (it took them a while to realize that yes, the first assault force could really was ''that'' incompetent). The Orieni initial plan is to let the Centauri smash themselves against Djost's defences before bypassing the Centauri border defences through neutral Usuuth space and hitting them hard enough to force them to surrender and give up the border area, but it fails due inadequate logistics, the sheer numbers of the Centauri, running in some actually competent Centauri admirals, and their Drazi allies proving themselves too incompetent to distract any meaningful segment of the Royal Navy (that in fact took ships from the Drazi border to reinforce the frontlines).
* SpaceFighter: A lot: the Drazi use the old Dragon and the more recent Adder-class fighters (both outmatched by the Centauri, but the latter in lesser measure), the Centauri have the Glaive light fighter for interception and dogfights and the Phalan assault fighter to [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin attack enemy ships]] with either a bigger plasma weapon or missiles depending on the version, and the Orieni have the Templar interceptor for combat against other fighters and covering the Hunter-Kllers. All of them are outmatched by the Minbari-made Tishat (the predecessor of the Nial), who has superior speed, greater manouverability, ludicrous firepower (the fighter-mounted fusion cannon outguns the anti-ship plasma gun of the Phalan and is faster-firing. The Tishat has ''[[NoKillLikeOverkill two of them]]''), and that annoying stealth ability that prevents enemy weapons from locking on it.

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* ASimplePlan: Both sides have one at the start:
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The initial Centauri plan is to smash through Djost's defences and attack Orien, and fails due the sheer might of Djost's defences, the incompetence of the Centauri House Militia commanders (and of some Royal Navy admirals), and [[WeAreStrugglingTogether general bickering]], with the Orieni losing sleep in the search of whatever sucker punch had been hidden by the first failed assault (it took them a while to realize that yes, the first assault force could really was ''that'' incompetent). incompetent).
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The Orieni initial plan is to let the Centauri smash themselves against Djost's defences before bypassing the Centauri border defences through neutral Usuuth space and hitting them hard enough to force them to surrender and give up the border area, but it fails due inadequate logistics, the sheer numbers of the Centauri, running in some actually competent Centauri admirals, and their Drazi allies proving themselves too incompetent to distract any meaningful segment of the Royal Navy (that in fact took ships from the Drazi border to reinforce the frontlines).
** The Minbari too have one: if their space is violated by one or both factions, send a squadron to wipe out a fleet from the offending faction (or intervene in a battle and wipe out both combatants) to [[MakeAnExampleOfThem remind them of the pecking order]] and then [[DontMakeMeDestroyYou demand they don't violate their neutrality or they'll declare war]]. This one ''works'': the Orieni abandon all plans to bypass the Centauri frontline, and the Centauri, who hadn't been stupid enough to try anything but had missed that [[TooDumbToLive some of their privateers had the bright idea of preying on Minbari shipping]], promptly washed their hands of the fools who had provoked their reaction.
* SpaceFighter: A lot: the lot:
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Drazi use the old Dragon and the more recent Adder-class fighters (both fighters. Both are outmatched by the Centauri, but the latter in lesser measure), the Dragon can at least put a fight.
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Centauri have the Glaive light fighter for interception and dogfights and the Phalan assault fighter to [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin attack enemy ships]] with either a bigger plasma weapon or missiles depending on the version, version. The ones on the Centauri front receive an upgrade that strips them of part of their armor ([[ArmorIsUseless useless against Orieni fighter-mounted weapons]]) for increased speed and the firepower.
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Orieni have the excellent Templar interceptor for combat against other fighters and covering the Hunter-Kllers. Hunter-Killers, themselves drone fighters intended as kamikaze.
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All of them the above are outmatched by the Minbari-made Tishat (the predecessor of the Nial), who has superior speed, greater manouverability, ludicrous firepower (the fighter-mounted fusion cannon outguns the anti-ship plasma gun of the Phalan and is faster-firing. The Tishat has ''[[NoKillLikeOverkill two of them]]''), and that annoying stealth ability that prevents enemy weapons from locking on it.

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* TheFundamentalist: Both Centauri and Orieni are 'soft' version of this: both see their respective religions as the right one and consider everyone else stupid or misguided for not venerating the Great Maker (Centauri) or the Living Gods (Vorlon), but the Centauri ''don't care'' of other people's religion as long as they don't try to impose them on the Centauri themselves, and the Orieni won't actively force you to convert, only preach and bring peace and order. Of course there are some more straight version, like a certain Orieni archbishop who had the Centauri priests of an occupied planet executed (incidentally, there had been a surge into military resistance from the civilians).

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* TheFundamentalist: Both Centauri and Orieni are 'soft' version of this: both see their respective religions as the right one and consider everyone else stupid or misguided for not venerating the Great Maker (Centauri) or the Living Gods (Vorlon), but the Centauri ''don't care'' of other people's religion as long as they don't try to impose them on the Centauri themselves, themselves or use it as excuse for rebellion, and the Orieni won't actively force you to convert, only preach and bring peace and order. Of course there are some more straight version, like a certain Orieni archbishop who had the Centauri priests of an occupied planet executed (incidentally, there had been a surge into military resistance from the civilians).
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* WorthyOpponent: The crews of Centauri and Orieni explorers have this relationship. This [[JustifiedTrope has a very good reason]]: in the ''BabylonFive'' universe HyperspaceIsAScaryPlace on the HyperspaceLanes, and leaving established jump routes is insanely dangerous, but explorer ships ''do this on a regular basis to discover new routes''. Kinda difficult not respecting someone with that kind of balls...

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* WorthyOpponent: The crews of Centauri and Orieni explorers have this relationship. This [[JustifiedTrope has a very good reason]]: in the ''BabylonFive'' ''Series/BabylonFive'' universe HyperspaceIsAScaryPlace on the HyperspaceLanes, and leaving established jump routes is insanely dangerous, but explorer ships ''do this on a regular basis to discover new routes''. Kinda difficult not respecting someone with that kind of balls...
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Has nothing to do with familiarity with in-universe fiction.


* HomeByChristmas: Both sides (and especially the Centauri Houses) expect a short, victorious war, ending with the conquest of Orien after one or two serious battles (Centauri expectations) or the crippling of the Centauri Republic with the absorption of part of it (Orieni expectations). Of course they're wrong, and the GenreSavvy Surizeen, Minbari ambassador to the Orieni Empire, has only one thing to reply when told it will be a short war:

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* HomeByChristmas: Both sides (and especially the Centauri Houses) expect a short, victorious war, ending with the conquest of Orien after one or two serious battles (Centauri expectations) or the crippling of the Centauri Republic with the absorption of part of it (Orieni expectations). Of course they're wrong, and the GenreSavvy Surizeen, Minbari ambassador to the Orieni Empire, has only one thing to reply when told it will be a short war:
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* RecycledInSPACE: Has strong overtones of the Western Front of WorldWarOne.

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* RecycledInSPACE: Has strong overtones of the Western Front of WorldWarOne.UsefulNotes/WorldWarI.
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* QuarantineWithExtremePrejudice: The planet Na'Ka'Leen is under one imposed by the Centauri, who will ''hunt down and blow up any ship that has landed there and any escape pod''. See the NightmareFuel and TearJerker pages to see why.
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* PetTheDog: At the start of the war the Centauri considered bypassing the Orieni border systems through Usuuth, a neutral world sandwiched between the two empires. They didn't because they had assumed on themselves to rescue them from any invasion, and it becomes even more this when the Orieni actually do just that and the Centauri ''do'' send a relief force as soon as they can afford (and then, being Centauri, annexed the place).

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* WeAreStrugglingTogether: Centauri infighting is so great and infamous that it facilitated the initial Orieni defence of Djost beyond their wildest dreams (to the point that the Orieni believed the utter incompetence of the initial attack force was a cover for something ''bad'', and it took them a while to realize that it was true idiocy at work), and House Syma actually ''launched a coup to try and seize the throne'' when the emperor died of old age. The last finally exhausted what patience the Royal Navy still had, and their RoaringRampageOfRevenge put an end to this through sheer terror of a repeat performance.

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* WeAreStrugglingTogether: Centauri infighting is so great and infamous that it facilitated the initial Orieni defence of Djost beyond their wildest dreams (to the point that the Orieni believed the utter incompetence of the initial attack force was a cover for something ''bad'', and it took them a while to realize that it was true idiocy at work), and House Syma actually ''launched a coup to try and seize the throne'' when the emperor died of old age.in an accident. The last finally exhausted what patience the Royal Navy still had, and their RoaringRampageOfRevenge put an end to this through sheer terror of a repeat performance.

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* PathOfInspiration: The Orieni religion has realized that the [[SufficientlyAdvancedAlien Vorlon]] [[AncientAstronauts visited their ancestors]] and introduced [[TouchedByVorlons telepaths]] among them and many other races, and worship them as the Living Gods, and consider a mission to submit all sentient races and make them worship the Vorlon too, [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans even if they have to kill many of them to educate the rest]]. Also, at least according to the Centauri, the Orieni exterminates telepaths among their subject races (some Orieni have noticed the lack of telepaths among their subject races, and are either genuinely puzzled or take it as a sign that they're the master race).

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* PathOfInspiration: The Orieni religion has realized that the [[SufficientlyAdvancedAlien Vorlon]] [[AncientAstronauts visited their ancestors]] and introduced [[TouchedByVorlons telepaths]] among them and many other races, and worship them as the Living Gods, and consider a mission to submit all sentient races and make them worship the Vorlon too, [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans even if they have to kill many of them to educate the rest]]. Also, at least according to the Centauri, the Orieni exterminates telepaths among their subject races (some Orieni have noticed the lack of telepaths among their subject races, and are either genuinely puzzled or take it as a sign that they're the master race).



* PragmaticVillain: Lord Josem Refa. Inventing the [[ColonyDrop mass driver]] and using it to [[spoiler: [[KickTheDog quell an insurrection on an allied world they had occupied after taking it from the Orieni]]]]? He'll brag about it. Violating ''[[SufficientlyAdvancedAlien Vorlon]]'' neutrality to attack the Orieni core worlds from behind? [[NoJustNoReaction Better blowing up Centauri Prime themselves: the result is the same]]

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* PragmaticVillain: Lord Josem Refa. Inventing the [[ColonyDrop mass driver]] and using it to [[spoiler: [[KickTheDog quell an insurrection on an allied world they had occupied after taking it from the Orieni]]]]? He'll brag about it. Violating ''[[SufficientlyAdvancedAlien Vorlon]]'' neutrality to attack the Orieni core worlds from behind? [[NoJustNoReaction Better blowing up Centauri Prime themselves: the result is the same]]same]].
** Also, the Orieni in general. Upon being accused by the Centauri lord Varia of killing his wife, Brok Tak, the governor of the newly-occupied planet Tagarhd, replied: "Do you truly believe us to have been foolish as to kill such a potentially valuable prisoner? Never." He then sent his men to track her down, hoping to reunite her with lord Varia so that the Centauri lord would owe them big time.
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** AwesomeYetPractical: An aspect of logistics is mapping hyperspace routes, [[HyperspaceIsAScaryPlace an insanely dangerous action if there is one]].

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** AwesomeYetPractical: SimpleYetAwesome: An aspect of logistics is mapping hyperspace routes, [[HyperspaceIsAScaryPlace an insanely dangerous action if there is one]].

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