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There's only [[[[DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck so many times]] you can sit through ThePowerOfFriendship before you start feeling ThePowerOfHate.

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There's only so many times you can sit through ThePowerOfFriendship before you start feeling ThePowerOfHate.

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There's only [[[[DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck so many times times]] you can sit through ThePowerOfFriendship before you start feeling ThePowerOfHate.
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* Tropers/{{Maddoxsort}}: Only one thing in the Alvarez Arc really burned me. It was when Acnologia suddenly murdered God Serena. Hiro revealed God Serena had 8 Dragon Lacrima and then had him cut down before he barely got to use half of them, like he couldn't figure out how to fill in the remaining Lacrima and decided to [[TheWorfEffect off him for shock value]] as an excuse not to showcase the rest. Dude, when you have someone who equates to the ''Franchise/MegaMan'' of Dragon Slayers step onto the battlefield, don't kill him off before you've seen the full course of his power assortment!! (Update: August 24, 2022: I retract my Dethroner now that the 100 Years Quest SequelSeries revealed [[spoiler:God Serena was alive and barely survived the attack from Acnologia.]] I was just mad his potential didn't get a proper showing, and the Historia of him also was a letdown. Since this AuthorsSavingThrow came from Atsuo Ueda's ideas in conjunction with Hiro Mashima, I'm leaving my entry as a reminder of what was so that other prospective authors who see this don't make the same mistake.)

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* Tropers/{{Maddoxsort}}: Only one thing in the Alvarez Arc really burned me. It was when Acnologia suddenly murdered God Serena. Hiro revealed God Serena had 8 Dragon Lacrima and then had him cut down before he barely got to use half of them, like he couldn't figure out how to fill in the remaining Lacrima and decided to [[TheWorfEffect off him for shock value]] as an excuse not to showcase the rest. Dude, when you have someone who equates to the ''Franchise/MegaMan'' of Dragon Slayers step onto the battlefield, don't kill him off before you've seen the full course of his power assortment!! (Update: August 24, 2022: I retract my Dethroner now that the 100 Years Quest SequelSeries revealed [[spoiler:God Serena was alive and barely survived the attack from Acnologia.]] I was just mad his potential didn't get a proper showing, and the Historia of him also was a letdown. Since this AuthorsSavingThrow fix came from Atsuo Ueda's ideas in conjunction with Hiro Mashima, I'm leaving my entry as a reminder of what was so that other prospective authors who see this don't make the same mistake.)
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* Tropers/deltanine: Chapter 372. Erza was given a golden opportunity to [[PayEvil/UntoEvil torture Kyouka back.]] And she didn't. After what Kyouka put Erza through, she had no excuse not to throw it back at her tenfold.

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* Tropers/deltanine: Chapter 372. Erza was given a golden opportunity to [[PayEvil/UntoEvil [[PayEvilUntoEvil torture Kyouka back.]] And she didn't. After what Kyouka put Erza through, she had no excuse not to throw it back at her tenfold.
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* Tropers/deltanine: Chapter 372. Erza was given a golden opportunity to [[PayEvilOntoEvil torture Kyouka back.]] And she didn't. After what Kyouka put Erza through, she had no excuse not to throw it back at her tenfold.

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* Tropers/deltanine: Chapter 372. Erza was given a golden opportunity to [[PayEvilOntoEvil [[PayEvil/UntoEvil torture Kyouka back.]] And she didn't. After what Kyouka put Erza through, she had no excuse not to throw it back at her tenfold.
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* Tropers/deltanine: Chapter 372. Erza was given a golden opportunity to [[PayEvilOntoEvil torture Kyouka back.]] And she didn't. After what Kyouka put Erza through, she had no excuse not to throw it back at her tenfold.
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* tresixteen: Natsu v Zeref round 2, anyone? I've always found Zeref to be extremely tragic—he only wanted his little brother back, but he gets cursed so that not only do the people he cares about literally drop dead, he has CompleteImmortality. He will never die. He can't be killed. He will walk the Earth for the rest of eternity, never allowing himself to care for anyone because they'll die if he does. Imagine the damage that would do to your psyche. Can you blame him for wanting to reset the world so he never tries to resurrect Natsu? Well, Natsu can. Natsu has the gall to tell him that he needed to make his own happiness, and that he's selfish for wanting to erase the world as it is when it's a miracle that Zeref hasn't just snapped.
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* Tropers/{{Maddoxsort}}: Only one thing in the Alvarez Arc really burned me. [[spoiler:It was when Acnologia suddenly murdered God Serena. Hiro revealed God Serena had 8 Dragon Lacrima and then had him cut down before he barely got to use half of them, like he couldn't figure out how to fill in the remaining Lacrima and decided to [[TheWorfEffect off him for shock value]] as an excuse not to showcase the rest. Dude, when you have someone who equates to the ''Franchise/MegaMan'' of Dragon Slayers step onto the battlefield, don't kill him off before you've seen the full course of his power assortment!!]]

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* Tropers/{{Maddoxsort}}: Only one thing in the Alvarez Arc really burned me. [[spoiler:It It was when Acnologia suddenly murdered God Serena. Hiro revealed God Serena had 8 Dragon Lacrima and then had him cut down before he barely got to use half of them, like he couldn't figure out how to fill in the remaining Lacrima and decided to [[TheWorfEffect off him for shock value]] as an excuse not to showcase the rest. Dude, when you have someone who equates to the ''Franchise/MegaMan'' of Dragon Slayers step onto the battlefield, don't kill him off before you've seen the full course of his power assortment!!]]assortment!! (Update: August 24, 2022: I retract my Dethroner now that the 100 Years Quest SequelSeries revealed [[spoiler:God Serena was alive and barely survived the attack from Acnologia.]] I was just mad his potential didn't get a proper showing, and the Historia of him also was a letdown. Since this AuthorsSavingThrow came from Atsuo Ueda's ideas in conjunction with Hiro Mashima, I'm leaving my entry as a reminder of what was so that other prospective authors who see this don't make the same mistake.)
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* Tropers/{{Maddoxsort}}: Only one thing in the Alvarez Arc really burned me. [[spoiler:It was when Acnologia suddenly murdered God Serena. Hiro revealed God Serena had 8 Dragon Lacrima and then had him cut down before he barely got to use half of them, like he couldn't figure out how to fill in the remaining Lacrima and decided to [[TheWorfEffect off him for shock value]] as an excuse not to showcase the rest. Dude, when you have someone who equates to the ''Series/MegaMan'' of Dragon Slayers step onto the battlefield, don't kill him off before you've seen the full course of his power assortment!!]]

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* Tropers/{{Maddoxsort}}: Only one thing in the Alvarez Arc really burned me. [[spoiler:It was when Acnologia suddenly murdered God Serena. Hiro revealed God Serena had 8 Dragon Lacrima and then had him cut down before he barely got to use half of them, like he couldn't figure out how to fill in the remaining Lacrima and decided to [[TheWorfEffect off him for shock value]] as an excuse not to showcase the rest. Dude, when you have someone who equates to the ''Series/MegaMan'' ''Franchise/MegaMan'' of Dragon Slayers step onto the battlefield, don't kill him off before you've seen the full course of his power assortment!!]]
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* Tropers/Awesomekid42: During Natsu's fight against Zancrow, it was established that Zancrow's ''God Slayer'' fire magic was far superior to Natsu's ''Dragon Slayer'' fire magic, being a kind of fire that Natsu couldn't consume and was significantly less resistant to than other types of fire. So, does this lead to Natsu having to find a way to defeat a powerful opponent without the use of magic, an interesting idea that the Edolas arc before it brought up before throwing away? Nope. It's revealed that as long as Natsu depletes himself of magic, he's somehow able to eat the fire that was completely unedible to Natsu, the most interesting of the very few things I found interesting about Zancrow. With wasted oppertunity, a reveal that comes out of nowhere, and isn't even elaborated enough to make sense making it come off as barely better than PlotArmor, this scene is the embodiment of nearly every major problem I have with the series.

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* Tropers/Awesomekid42: During Natsu's fight against Zancrow, it was established that Zancrow's ''God Slayer'' fire magic was far superior to Natsu's ''Dragon Slayer'' fire magic, being a kind of fire that Natsu couldn't consume and was significantly less resistant to than other types of fire. So, does this lead to Natsu having to find a way to defeat a powerful opponent without the use of magic, an interesting idea that the Edolas arc before it brought up before throwing away? Nope. It's revealed that as long as Natsu depletes himself of magic, he's somehow able to eat the fire that was completely unedible to Natsu, the most interesting of the very few things I found interesting about Zancrow. With wasted oppertunity, opportunity, a reveal that comes out of nowhere, and isn't even elaborated enough to make sense making it come off as barely better than PlotArmor, this scene is the embodiment of nearly every major problem I have with the series.
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* Tropers/Awesomekid42: During Natsu's fight against Zancrow, it was established that Zancrow's ''God Slayer'' fire magic was far superior to Natsu's ''Dragon Slayer'' fire magic, being a kind of fire that Natsu couldn't consume and was significantly less resistant to than other types of fire. So, does this lead to Natsu having to find a way to defeat a powerful opponent without the use of magic, an interesting idea that the Edolas arc before it brought up before throwing away? Nope. It's revealed that as long as Natsu depletes himself of magic, he's somehow able to eat the fire that was completely unedbile to Natsu, the most interesting of the very few things I found interesting about Zancrow. With wasted oppertunity, a reveal that comes out of nowhere, and isn't even elaborated enough to make sense making it come off as barely better than PlotArmor, this scene is the embodiment of nearly every major problem I have with the series.

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* Tropers/Awesomekid42: During Natsu's fight against Zancrow, it was established that Zancrow's ''God Slayer'' fire magic was far superior to Natsu's ''Dragon Slayer'' fire magic, being a kind of fire that Natsu couldn't consume and was significantly less resistant to than other types of fire. So, does this lead to Natsu having to find a way to defeat a powerful opponent without the use of magic, an interesting idea that the Edolas arc before it brought up before throwing away? Nope. It's revealed that as long as Natsu depletes himself of magic, he's somehow able to eat the fire that was completely unedbile unedible to Natsu, the most interesting of the very few things I found interesting about Zancrow. With wasted oppertunity, a reveal that comes out of nowhere, and isn't even elaborated enough to make sense making it come off as barely better than PlotArmor, this scene is the embodiment of nearly every major problem I have with the series.
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* Tropers/Awesomekid42: During Natsu's fight against Zancrow, it was established that Zancrow's ''God Slayer'' fire magic was far superior to Natsu, being a kind of fire that Natsu couldn't consume and was significantly less resistent to than other types of fire. So, does this lead to Natsu having to find a way to defeat a powerful opponent without the use of magic, an interesting idea that the Edolas arc before it brought up before throwing away? Nope. It's revealed that as long as Natsu depletes himself of magic, he's somehow able to eat the fire that was completely unedbile to Natsu, the most interesting of the very few things I found interesting about Zancrow. With wasted oppertunity, a reveal that comes out of nowhere, and isn't even elaborated enough to make sense making it come off as barely better than PlotArmor, this scene is the embodiment of nearly every major problem I have with the series.

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* Tropers/Awesomekid42: During Natsu's fight against Zancrow, it was established that Zancrow's ''God Slayer'' fire magic was far superior to Natsu, Natsu's ''Dragon Slayer'' fire magic, being a kind of fire that Natsu couldn't consume and was significantly less resistent resistant to than other types of fire. So, does this lead to Natsu having to find a way to defeat a powerful opponent without the use of magic, an interesting idea that the Edolas arc before it brought up before throwing away? Nope. It's revealed that as long as Natsu depletes himself of magic, he's somehow able to eat the fire that was completely unedbile to Natsu, the most interesting of the very few things I found interesting about Zancrow. With wasted oppertunity, a reveal that comes out of nowhere, and isn't even elaborated enough to make sense making it come off as barely better than PlotArmor, this scene is the embodiment of nearly every major problem I have with the series.
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* Cheed: My Dethroning Moment took place a lot earlier than a lot of other tropers here. Arc Villain Brain trying to kill his apprentice is one of, if not, the biggest demonstration of troll logic in anime history. The fight between first-generation dragon slayer Natsu and second-generation dragon slayer Cobra was one-sided. Cobra was effortlessly annihilating Natsu. In the end, Natsu is left drained and defenseless after he lets off an almighty attack that ultimately fails to defeat Cobra. Up to this point Cobra has merely been toying with Natsu and so decides to close in for the killing blow...but then his master, Brain, backstabs him. The reason? Brain says he wants a strong apprentice like Natsu.......WHAT?? Brain was watching the entire fight, how the heck did he come to that conclusion? What am I saying - the fact that he needed to save Natsu by almost killing Cobra should already be testament to the fact that all parties involved acknowledged that Cobra was better than Natsu in every way! What even made him think that the good-aligned Natsu would ever agree to be his apprentice, especially after witnessing him try to kill his current apprentice for no good reason? Brain adds that he admires Natsu as a first generation slayer, but every fight we've ever seen between a first and second generation slayer has always been one-sided in favour of the second generation, it took two first-generations to even dent a second generation! And even if his troll logic was true, isn't the fact his loyal apprentice managed to absolutely wipe the floor with Natsu not a testament to how powerful Cobra is? Fairy Tail is full of lapses in logic but this was the moment that tipped me over the edge.

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* Cheed: My Dethroning Moment took place a lot earlier than a lot of other tropers here. Arc Villain Brain trying to kill his apprentice is one of, if not, the biggest demonstration of troll logic in anime history. The fight between first-generation dragon slayer Natsu and second-generation dragon slayer Cobra was one-sided. Cobra was effortlessly annihilating Natsu. In the end, Natsu is left drained and defenseless after he lets off an almighty attack that ultimately fails to defeat Cobra. Up to this point Cobra has merely been toying with Natsu and so decides to close in for the killing blow...but then his master, Brain, backstabs him. The reason? Brain says he wants a strong apprentice like Natsu.......WHAT?? What?? Brain was watching the entire fight, how the heck did he come to that conclusion? What am I saying - the fact that he needed to save Natsu by almost killing Cobra should already be testament to the fact that all parties involved acknowledged that Cobra was better than Natsu in every way! What even made him think that the good-aligned Natsu would ever agree to be his apprentice, especially after witnessing him try to kill his current apprentice for no good reason? Brain adds that he admires Natsu as a first generation slayer, but every fight we've ever seen between a first and second generation slayer has always been one-sided in favour of the second generation, it took two first-generations to even dent a second generation! And even if his troll logic was true, isn't the fact his loyal apprentice managed to absolutely wipe the floor with Natsu not a testament to how powerful Cobra is? Fairy Tail is full of lapses in logic but this was the moment that tipped me over the edge.
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* 55Revolver: I had problems with Fairy Tail, but the revelation that Doranbolt was actually Mest all along and was working for Fairy Tail as a spy on the Council destroyed my love for the series. I could bring up the massive Plot Holes, or lack of foreshadowing, but those have been done to death... No what bothers me about this is Fairy Tail effectively committed full blown TREASON against the Magic Council, and the Kingdom of Fiore. That alone would be bad enough, but the fact that this crime is never shown to blow up in Makarov, or any other member of the Guild's face effectively makes Fairy Tail a massive KarmaHoudini. You just know that if one of the dark guilds had done the exact same thing, Mashima would demonize them and portray them as criminals, but because Fairy Tail are the heroes they can do whatever they want without backlash. Bull-Freaking-Crap!

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* 55Revolver: I had problems with Fairy Tail, but the revelation that Doranbolt was actually Mest all along and was working for Fairy Tail as a spy on the Council destroyed my love for the series. I could bring up the massive Plot Holes, or lack of foreshadowing, but those have been done to death... No what bothers me about this is Fairy Tail effectively committed full blown TREASON treason against the Magic Council, and the Kingdom of Fiore. That alone would be bad enough, but the fact that this crime is never shown to blow up in Makarov, or any other member of the Guild's face effectively makes Fairy Tail a massive KarmaHoudini. You just know that if one of the dark guilds had done the exact same thing, Mashima would demonize them and portray them as criminals, but because Fairy Tail are the heroes they can do whatever they want without backlash. Bull-Freaking-Crap!



* Maj_Spoiler: Gray's fight against Invel in chapter 500. First off, it was yet ANOTHER ice vs. ice battle. What made this worse than the others was that in other fights, Gray used strategy and his wit. In this one, Gray [[spoiler: only uses ThePowerOfFriendship (which he never used before) to [[CurbStompBattle curb stomp Invel]], a member of the Spriggan 12.]] That's right, even after [[spoiler: Invel equips his super powerful armor, he gets destroyed]]. Gray was the only character whose fights I still enjoyed, which was only because he didn't [[spoiler: use nakama BS or some sort of major AssPull]], making this fight the final straw for me.

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* Maj_Spoiler: Gray's fight against Invel in chapter 500. First off, it was yet ANOTHER another ice vs. ice battle. What made this worse than the others was that in other fights, Gray used strategy and his wit. In this one, Gray [[spoiler: only uses ThePowerOfFriendship (which he never used before) to [[CurbStompBattle curb stomp Invel]], a member of the Spriggan 12.]] That's right, even after [[spoiler: Invel equips his super powerful armor, he gets destroyed]]. Gray was the only character whose fights I still enjoyed, which was only because he didn't [[spoiler: use nakama BS or some sort of major AssPull]], making this fight the final straw for me.
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* 55Revolver: I had problems with Fairy Tail, but the revelation that Doranbolt was actually Mest all along and was working for Fairy Tail as a spy on the Council destroyed my love for the series. I could bring up the massive Plot Holes, or lack of foreshadowing, but those have been done to death... No what bothers me about this is Fairy Tail effectively committed full blown TREASON against the Magic Council, and the Kingdom of Fiore. That alone would be bad enough, but the fact that this crime is never shown to blow up in Makarov, or any other member of the Guild's face effectively makes Fairy Tail a massive KarmaHoudini. You just know that if one of the dark guilds had done the exact same thing, Mashima would demonize them and portray them as criminals, but because Fairy Tail are the heroes they can do whatever they want without backlash. Bull-Freaking-Crap!
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* [=EXNativo=]: Nothing to do with the latest arc in the manga has thrilled me as of yet, but one glaring example of how pointless the story is becoming is Universe One. [[spoiler: So we finally have a current member of Fairy Tail die, and even though Gajeel was one of my favourite characters, I'm fine with that being how his story ends.]] Wait, nope, just kidding! Eileen's magic just so happened to reverse it... even though [[spoiler: the portal was quite clearly closed before she even started the spell.]] Oh, and just in case it wasn't blatantly clear that Eileen is totally a badass that we should all love, her magic even results in a cameo for [[spoiler: [[Recap/FairyTailZero Zera]]]]... despite the facts that some people will have absolutely no idea who she is (if they haven't read or even heard of FTZ) and [[spoiler: Mavis (whom apparently created her as a result of breaking free from Lumen Histoire at exactly the same time as Universe One was cast...[[MindScrew I think?]]) had enough time to open her eyes and make a comment about the state of her muscles to a listening Cana before everything got shuffled around]]. I'll be completely honest and say that I find Eileen's quote-unquote 'character' to be a bit of a train wreck who is [[SpotlightStealingSquad taking over whatever you can call current events, as I hazard to refer to it as a plot]], but my Dethroning Moment it definitely her use of magic that all but confirms that nothing for Fairy Tail is ever going to change. Despite the fact that they are current embroiled within a continent wide war.

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* [=EXNativo=]: Nothing to do with the latest arc in the manga has thrilled me as of yet, but one glaring example of how pointless the story is becoming is Universe One. [[spoiler: So we finally have a current member of Fairy Tail die, and even though Gajeel was one of my favourite characters, I'm fine with that being how his story ends.]] Wait, nope, just kidding! Eileen's magic just so happened to reverse it... even though [[spoiler: the portal was quite clearly closed before she even started the spell.]] Oh, and just in case it wasn't blatantly clear that Eileen is totally a badass that we should all love, her magic even results in a cameo for [[spoiler: [[Recap/FairyTailZero [[Manga/FairyTailZero Zera]]]]... despite the facts that some people will have absolutely no idea who she is (if they haven't read or even heard of FTZ) and [[spoiler: Mavis (whom apparently created her as a result of breaking free from Lumen Histoire at exactly the same time as Universe One was cast...[[MindScrew I think?]]) had enough time to open her eyes and make a comment about the state of her muscles to a listening Cana before everything got shuffled around]]. I'll be completely honest and say that I find Eileen's quote-unquote 'character' to be a bit of a train wreck who is [[SpotlightStealingSquad taking over whatever you can call current events, as I hazard to refer to it as a plot]], but my Dethroning Moment it definitely her use of magic that all but confirms that nothing for Fairy Tail is ever going to change. Despite the fact that they are current embroiled within a continent wide war.
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* NTroper: [[spoiler: Makarov's]] HeroicSacrifice in Chapter 505. The lead-up to it is basically Eileen casting [[FinalFantasy Berserk]] on all the enemy soldiers now overwhelming Erza's group. [[spoiler: Makarov then declares he will be using a wide-range Fairy Law to dispatch all berserked enemies overwhelming them, prompting the whole group to try and stop him.]] At that point, Mavis reveals she came up with a plan that will grant them victory. [[spoiler: Makarov then throws all logic out of the window by telling Mavis that he knows her plan will bring them victory, [[HonorBeforeReason but as a father, he cannot sit idly and watch his children being overwhelmed, despite that being what Mavis' plan is for! He then unleashes Fairy Law at the cost of his life, wiping out all enemies in the process]]]]. This is a problem for a few reasons: First and foremost, the way Mashima has been handling deaths in Fairy Tail, [[spoiler: particularly Gajeel's and Juvia's]], completely took the sting of killing off characters not only from this arc, but in the series as a whole. Secondly, on the case that this IS a death that does not get reversed somehow like the previous cases, it will be a case where a character was killed off by a completely idiotic motive, [[spoiler: since Fairy Tail is still getting pretty overwhelmed by Zeref's army and losing one of their powerhouses will certainly make things harder for them in the long run and Makarov had NO reason to pull that HeroicSacrifice when Mavis' plan was there as a perfect alternative with no casualties. Which, again, Makarov acknowledges but ignores for utterly emotional reasons. [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Lastly, we are at the risk of, should Makarov be brought back somehow, putting up yet again with the overused joke of whoever gets assigned as the next Guildmaster handing over the job back to Makarov, making Status Quo god yet again.]]]]

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* NTroper: [[spoiler: Makarov's]] HeroicSacrifice in Chapter 505. The lead-up to it is basically Eileen casting [[FinalFantasy [[Franchise/FinalFantasy Berserk]] on all the enemy soldiers now overwhelming Erza's group. [[spoiler: Makarov then declares he will be using a wide-range Fairy Law to dispatch all berserked enemies overwhelming them, prompting the whole group to try and stop him.]] At that point, Mavis reveals she came up with a plan that will grant them victory. [[spoiler: Makarov then throws all logic out of the window by telling Mavis that he knows her plan will bring them victory, [[HonorBeforeReason but as a father, he cannot sit idly and watch his children being overwhelmed, despite that being what Mavis' plan is for! He then unleashes Fairy Law at the cost of his life, wiping out all enemies in the process]]]]. This is a problem for a few reasons: First and foremost, the way Mashima has been handling deaths in Fairy Tail, [[spoiler: particularly Gajeel's and Juvia's]], completely took the sting of killing off characters not only from this arc, but in the series as a whole. Secondly, on the case that this IS a death that does not get reversed somehow like the previous cases, it will be a case where a character was killed off by a completely idiotic motive, [[spoiler: since Fairy Tail is still getting pretty overwhelmed by Zeref's army and losing one of their powerhouses will certainly make things harder for them in the long run and Makarov had NO reason to pull that HeroicSacrifice when Mavis' plan was there as a perfect alternative with no casualties. Which, again, Makarov acknowledges but ignores for utterly emotional reasons. [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Lastly, we are at the risk of, should Makarov be brought back somehow, putting up yet again with the overused joke of whoever gets assigned as the next Guildmaster handing over the job back to Makarov, making Status Quo god yet again.]]]]
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* Tropers/Awesomekid42: During Natsu's fight against Zancrow, it was established that Zancrow's ''God Slayer'' fire magic was far superior to Natsu, being a kind of fire that Natsu couldn't consume and was significantly less resistent to than other types of fire. So, does this lead to Natsu having to find a way to defeat a powerful opponent without the use of magic, an interesting idea that the Exceed arc before it brought up before throwing away? Nope. It's revealed that as long as Natsu depletes himself of magic, he's somehow able to eat the fire that was completely unedbile to Natsu, the most interesting of the very few things I found interesting about Zancrow. With wasted oppertunity, a reveal that comes out of nowhere, and isn't even elaborated enough to make sense making it come off as barely better than PlotArmor, this scene is the embodiment of nearly every major problem I have with the series.

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* Tropers/Awesomekid42: During Natsu's fight against Zancrow, it was established that Zancrow's ''God Slayer'' fire magic was far superior to Natsu, being a kind of fire that Natsu couldn't consume and was significantly less resistent to than other types of fire. So, does this lead to Natsu having to find a way to defeat a powerful opponent without the use of magic, an interesting idea that the Exceed Edolas arc before it brought up before throwing away? Nope. It's revealed that as long as Natsu depletes himself of magic, he's somehow able to eat the fire that was completely unedbile to Natsu, the most interesting of the very few things I found interesting about Zancrow. With wasted oppertunity, a reveal that comes out of nowhere, and isn't even elaborated enough to make sense making it come off as barely better than PlotArmor, this scene is the embodiment of nearly every major problem I have with the series.
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* Tropers/Maddoxsort: Only one thing in the Alvarez Arc really burned me. [[spoiler:It was when Acnologia suddenly murdered God Serena. Hiro revealed God Serena had '''8 Dragon Lacrima''' and then had him cut down before he barely got to use ''half'' of them, like he couldn't figure out how to fill in the remaining Lacrima and decided to [[TheWorfEffect off him for shock value]] as an excuse not to showcase the rest. Dude, when you have someone who equates to the Series/MegaMan of Dragon Slayers step onto the battlefield, don't kill him off before you've seen the full course of his power assortment!!]]

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* Tropers/Maddoxsort: Tropers/{{Maddoxsort}}: Only one thing in the Alvarez Arc really burned me. [[spoiler:It was when Acnologia suddenly murdered God Serena. Hiro revealed God Serena had '''8 8 Dragon Lacrima''' Lacrima and then had him cut down before he barely got to use ''half'' half of them, like he couldn't figure out how to fill in the remaining Lacrima and decided to [[TheWorfEffect off him for shock value]] as an excuse not to showcase the rest. Dude, when you have someone who equates to the Series/MegaMan ''Series/MegaMan'' of Dragon Slayers step onto the battlefield, don't kill him off before you've seen the full course of his power assortment!!]]
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* Tropers/Maddoxsort: Only one thing in the Alvarez Arc really burned me. [[spoiler:It was when Acnologia suddenly murdered God Serena. Hiro revealed God Serena had '''8 Dragon Lacrima''' and then had him cut down before he barely got to use ''half'' of them, like he couldn't figure out how to fill in the remaining Lacrima and decided to [[TheWorfEffect off him for shock value]] as an excuse not to showcase the rest. Dude, when you have someone who equates to the Series/MegaMan of Dragon Slayers step onto the battlefield, don't kill him off before you've seen the full course of his power assortment!!]]
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Cobra didn't die.


* Cheed: My Dethroning Moment took place a lot earlier than a lot of other tropers here. Arc Villain Brain killing his apprentice is one of, if not, the biggest demonstration of troll logic in anime history. The fight between first-generation dragon slayer Natsu and second-generation dragon slayer Cobra was one-sided. Cobra was effortlessly annihilating Natsu. In the end, Natsu is left drained and defenseless after he lets off an almighty attack that ultimately fails to defeat Cobra. Up to this point Cobra has merely been toying with Natsu and so decides to close in for the killing blow...but then his master, Brain, backstabs him. The reason? Brain says he wants a strong apprentice like Natsu.......WHAT?? Brain was watching the entire fight, how the heck did he come to that conclusion? What am I saying - the fact that he needed to save Natsu by killing Cobra should already be testament to the fact that all parties involved acknowledged that Cobra was better than Natsu in every way! What even made him think that the good-aligned Natsu would ever agree to be his apprentice, especially after witnessing him kill his current apprentice for no good reason? Brain adds that he admires Natsu as a first generation slayer, but every fight we've ever seen between a first and second generation slayer has always been one-sided in favour of the second generation, it took two first-generations to even dent a second generation! And even if his troll logic was true, isn't the fact his loyal apprentice managed to absolutely wipe the floor with Natsu not a testament to how powerful Cobra is? Fairy Tail is full of lapses in logic but this was the moment that tipped me over the edge.

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* Cheed: My Dethroning Moment took place a lot earlier than a lot of other tropers here. Arc Villain Brain killing trying to kill his apprentice is one of, if not, the biggest demonstration of troll logic in anime history. The fight between first-generation dragon slayer Natsu and second-generation dragon slayer Cobra was one-sided. Cobra was effortlessly annihilating Natsu. In the end, Natsu is left drained and defenseless after he lets off an almighty attack that ultimately fails to defeat Cobra. Up to this point Cobra has merely been toying with Natsu and so decides to close in for the killing blow...but then his master, Brain, backstabs him. The reason? Brain says he wants a strong apprentice like Natsu.......WHAT?? Brain was watching the entire fight, how the heck did he come to that conclusion? What am I saying - the fact that he needed to save Natsu by almost killing Cobra should already be testament to the fact that all parties involved acknowledged that Cobra was better than Natsu in every way! What even made him think that the good-aligned Natsu would ever agree to be his apprentice, especially after witnessing him try to kill his current apprentice for no good reason? Brain adds that he admires Natsu as a first generation slayer, but every fight we've ever seen between a first and second generation slayer has always been one-sided in favour of the second generation, it took two first-generations to even dent a second generation! And even if his troll logic was true, isn't the fact his loyal apprentice managed to absolutely wipe the floor with Natsu not a testament to how powerful Cobra is? Fairy Tail is full of lapses in logic but this was the moment that tipped me over the edge.
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* Cheed: My Dethroning Moment took place a lot earlier than a lot of other tropers here. Arc Villain Brian killing his apprentice is one of, if not, the biggest demonstration of troll logic in anime history. The fight between first-generation dragon slayer Natsu and second-generation dragon slayer Viper was one-sided. Viper was effortlessly annihilating Natsu. In the end, Natsu is left drained and defenseless after he lets off an almighty attack that ultimately fails to defeat Viper. Up to this point Viper has merely been toying with Natsu and so decides to close in for the killing blow...but then his master, Brian, backstabs him. The reason? Brian says he wants a strong apprentice like Natsu.......WHAT?? Brian was watching the entire fight, how the heck did he come to that conclusion? What am I saying - the fact that he needed to save Natsu by killing Viper should already be testament to the fact that all parties involved acknowledged that Viper was better than Natsu in every way! What even made him think that the good-aligned Natsu would ever agree to be his apprentice, especially after witnessing him kill his current apprentice for no good reason? Brian adds that he admires Natsu as a first generation slayer, but every fight we've ever seen between a first and second generation slayer has always been one-sided in favour of the second generation, it took two first-generations to even dent a second generation! And even if his troll logic was true, isn't the fact his loyal apprentice managed to absolutely wipe the floor with Natsu not a testament to how powerful Viper is? Fairy Tail is full of lapses in logic but this was the moment that tipped me over the edge.

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* Cheed: My Dethroning Moment took place a lot earlier than a lot of other tropers here. Arc Villain Brian Brain killing his apprentice is one of, if not, the biggest demonstration of troll logic in anime history. The fight between first-generation dragon slayer Natsu and second-generation dragon slayer Viper Cobra was one-sided. Viper Cobra was effortlessly annihilating Natsu. In the end, Natsu is left drained and defenseless after he lets off an almighty attack that ultimately fails to defeat Viper. Cobra. Up to this point Viper Cobra has merely been toying with Natsu and so decides to close in for the killing blow...but then his master, Brian, Brain, backstabs him. The reason? Brian Brain says he wants a strong apprentice like Natsu.......WHAT?? Brian Brain was watching the entire fight, how the heck did he come to that conclusion? What am I saying - the fact that he needed to save Natsu by killing Viper Cobra should already be testament to the fact that all parties involved acknowledged that Viper Cobra was better than Natsu in every way! What even made him think that the good-aligned Natsu would ever agree to be his apprentice, especially after witnessing him kill his current apprentice for no good reason? Brian Brain adds that he admires Natsu as a first generation slayer, but every fight we've ever seen between a first and second generation slayer has always been one-sided in favour of the second generation, it took two first-generations to even dent a second generation! And even if his troll logic was true, isn't the fact his loyal apprentice managed to absolutely wipe the floor with Natsu not a testament to how powerful Viper Cobra is? Fairy Tail is full of lapses in logic but this was the moment that tipped me over the edge.

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