History ConservationOfNinjutsu / TabletopGames

* ''Crimson Skies'' click-base version used a technique similar to D&D's "minion" system for its person-to-person combat branch: One hero could demolish large numbers of Mooks. In fact, like D&D, not only did the Mooks have but one hit-point, they were represented on the battle map not by a miniature (as heroes were), but by a cardboard counter. [[spoiler: You see, they were [[IncrediblyLamePun "token Mooks"]]....]]

* ''TabletopGame/SavageWorlds'' features two types of characters: Wild Cards and Extras. Wild Cards consist of the PCs, EliteMooks, and major named characters. Extras are supporting characters and faceless Mooks. Extras go down after taking one Wound, whereas Wild Cards go down after taking four. Four PCs vs twelve Extras is often considered a fair fight.

** As a final note, this only applies in the gameplay side of GameplayAndStorySegregation, because any GameMaster who isn't a complete dope will be fully aware that a hopeless and pointless battle for the players is not fun. Thus, dismissing the 20 orcs as "most likely minions" is a {{Metagame}} call which the characters have no way of making themselves.

* ''Crimson Skies'' click-base version used a technique similar to D&D's "minion" system for its person-to-person combat branch: One hero could demolish large numbers of Mooks. In fact, like D&D, not only did the Mooks have but one hit-point, they were represented on the battle map not by a miniature (as heroes were), but by a cardboard counter. [[spoiler: You see, they were [[IncrediblyLamePun "token Mooks"]]....]]

* ''TabletopGame/SeventhSea'' has three types of enemies, mooks, henchmen, and villains, with increasing toughness.

** Admitedly, in the 41st millenium EVERYTHING dies in droves in large battles. Also, a Space Marine force barely a hundred strong (a company) is fully capable of taking out a whole planet or even a small star system [[BadassArmy all on its own]].

* The roleplaying game Pirates Vs. Ninjas has the universal law called the Kurosawa Corollary, by which members of a much larger group of combatants take penalties to become less powerful than a smaller group of adversaries.
* ''TabletopGame/{{Exalted}}'' models this by presenting any sufficiently trivial, disposable enemies as 'Extras', with drastically low health and stats, that exist mostly as a minor obstacle to the players, window dressing for the antagonists, or [[RuleOfCool stunt]] fodder. The third edition takes this trope even more directly with battle groups, which are large masses of enemies treated by the rules as a single creature with a few minor advantages. This can literally result in situations where a group of three ninjas really is more dangerous than a group of twenty, since the latter is probably actually just one character.
** To an extent with the numbers of the Exalted themselves. Terrestrials are the weakest and have no limit to their numbers, just [[RoyalBlood ancestry]], while Solars are the strongest and there were originally only 300 Solar soul shards, but 100 of them have been corrupted by the Deathlords to become Abyssal Exalted and 50 by the Yozi to be Infernals. Between the Solars and Terrestrials in power are the 300 Lunars and 100 Sidereals.
* ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering'' has both played this trope straight and subverted it. Not taking instants and sorceries into consideration, some creatures have either strong enough or have abilities that mean even if an opponent has a greater number of creatures, they can still be at a disadvantage. That said, there are also creatures that can give large hordes an advantage with abilities like battle cry (which boosts attacking creatures, and multiple battle cries stack), and some creature types, like slivers and elves, [[MagikarpPower while pretty harmless individually, have abilities that make them devastating if there's a lot of them.]]
** One dramatic example in the storyline are the dragon engines, mechanical dragons from Phyrexia. In ''Literature/TheBrothersWar'', Mishra gets his hands on four dragon engines, which is enough to destroy an entire city. Much later during the ''Literature/InvasionCycle'', there's a scene in which the skyship ''Weatherlight'' takes on ''twenty'' dragon engines alone and totally destroys them.
** In an almost literal example, Magic also has the exalted ability, where whenever you attack with a single creature, for each permanent you control with exalted, that attacking creature gets +1/+1 until end of turn.
* ''TabletopGame/SwashbucklersOfTheSevenSkies'' rates potential antagonists on a scale of minions, sidekicks, lieutenants, villains, and archvillains. Minions don't even have the dignity of being dangerous on their own, but rather must join together in minion squads to hope to hurt a player character. At their absolute most dangerous they're [[GlassCannon Glass Cannons]]... if they even survive long enough to get off a "shot."
* A ''Pyramid'' article on the "Horde Ninja" (ninja as {{Mooks}} in ''TabletopGame/{{GURPS}} Dungeon Fantasy'') has a game mechanic for this; Horde Ninja have several levels of the Higher Purpose advantage, with the purpose being "Avenge my fellows!" The more fallen ninja there are to avenge, the more bonuses the ones that are still standing get.
* ''TabletopGame/{{GURPS}} Action'' suggests three tiers of enemies split more or less into mooks (incapacitated when hit), minibosses (incapacitated at 0 HP), and "boss" characters who use the full hit points and death system (which can sometimes involve dipping quite far into the negatives).
* '''TabletopGame/SentinelsOfTheMultiverse'':
** Inverted, in that it's applied to the heroes by way of LevelScaling, as the villains get more dangerous the more players they're up against. Grand Warlord Voss, for instance: He starts with a number of minions equal to the number of heroes, and when he goes into combat himself, his damage output is H-1 and H-2. So a full-party of heroes is facing five mooks just to start with, and taking 4 and 3 damage against the boss himself -- and god help the players who go in with six or seven heroes. But the minimum party would only start off against three mooks, and only take 2 and 1 damage from Voss himself when those mooks go down.
** Also played straight when the heroes are incapacitated -- each incapacitated hero has a power that in some way supports whomever's left standing, sometimes letting them play cards or powers. This means the last hero standing can effectively have multiple turns, making him a OneManArmy, able to take down mooks by the truckload.
** Played straight with some villains in the Vengeance/Villains expansions. Villains like Baron Blade, Plague Rat, and Ambuscade who can be fought as a single villain are suddenly less powerful now that they're teamed up with other villains. That being said, each of the recurring villains has a justification for why they are suddenly a lot weaker than their solo versions. Ambuscade is actually an illusion created by Glamour. La Capitan, a time traveller, is a much younger and less experienced version than the heroes are used to fighting. Miss Information and Baron Blade are no longer hiding behind schemes and trickery, but are fighting openly, with some newly-earned powers. (Although, Baron Blade was already a pushover, and the Vengeance version is arguably more dangerous than the original.) Plague Rat was captured, restrained, and experimented on by [=RevoCorp=], so not only has his infectious bite been toned down, but his handlers keep him from being TOO deadly.
* In ''TabletopGame/{{Ironclaw}}'' "Horde" enemies have d6 traits, d8 if they're "Elite", while Enforcers are meant to take on parties all by themselves and have d10 traits, the Villain has only d8s but is intended to have horde minions, and a Supernaut, which only appears at the climax of a campaign, has d12s.
* Partially enforced in ''TabletopGame/LegendOfTheFiveRings''. The black-clad, masked, shuriken throwing Ninja are always the apprentices in their school, forced to act like that as a hazing ritual by their teachers. Actual trained shinobi are masters of disguise and can engineer a legitimate reason to get close their target.

* ''[[TabletopGame/ProseDescriptiveQualities Swashbucklers of the 7 Skies]]'', somewhat similar to ''7th Sea'' mentioned above, rates potential antagonists on a scale of minions, sidekicks, lieutenants, villains, and archvillains. Minions don't even have the dignity of being dangerous on their own, but rather must join together in minion squads to hope to hurt a player character. At their absolute most dangerous they're [[GlassCannon Glass Cannons]]... if they even survive long enough to get off a "shot."

* ''GURPS Action'' also runs with this, suggesting three tiers of enemies split more or less into mooks (incapacitated when hit), minibosses (incapacitated at 0 HP), and "boss" characters who use the full hit points and death system (which can sometimes involve dipping quite far into the negatives).

** In 5th edition, this was a quirk of Grey Knight Paladins. Because Grey Knights proper only had a small suite of equipment they could use (due to all teh random knicknacks going to the Inquisition), Paladins had access to basically the same items that characters did while also having profiles comparable to characters. However, because they were units instead of characters, they were priced as such but could be taken in units of 1. End result is that a single Paladin was way more cost effective than fielding a character, due to being far cheaper with the exact same combat effectiveness (the only reason this wasn't considered broken was because the Grey Knight codex had far bigger problems).

** Expressly ''inverted'' with cranium rats, not just for the usual reason, but because they function together as a HiveMind, which more rats together in one spot meaning more brainpower between them, to the point that they can eventually gain access to spell-like psionic abilities.

* ''[[ProseDescriptiveQualities Swashbucklers of the 7 Skies]]'', somewhat similar to ''7th Sea'' mentioned above, rates potential antagonists on a scale of minions, sidekicks, lieutenants, villains, and archvillains. Minions don't even have the dignity of being dangerous on their own, but rather must join together in minion squads to hope to hurt a player character. At their absolute most dangerous they're [[GlassCannon Glass Cannons]]... if they even survive long enough to get off a "shot."

* The ''NinjaBurger'' Employee's Handbook specifically recommends against this trope.
* A particularly nasty version of this occurs in ''{{Runequest}}''; due to the [[CriticalFailure Critical Fumble]] rules, armies take the most damage from ''their own side''. Thus, a larger army is actually less of a threat.
* ''SeventhSea'' has three types of enemies, mooks, henchmen, and villains, with increasing toughness.

* ''MagicTheGathering'' has both played this trope straight and subverted it. Not taking instants and sorceries into consideration, some creatures have either strong enough or have abilities that mean even if an opponent has a greater number of creatures, they can still be at a disadvantage. That said, there are also creatures that can give large hordes an advantage with abilities like battle cry (which boosts attacking creatures, and multiple battle cries stack), and some creature types, like slivers and elves, [[MagikarpPower while pretty harmless individually, have abilities that make them devastating if there's a lot of them.]]

* ''{{Exalted}}'' models this by presenting any sufficiently trivial, disposable enemies as 'Extras', with drastically low health and stats, that exist mostly as a minor obstacle to the players, window dressing for the antagonists, or [[RuleOfCool stunt]] fodder. The third edition takes this trope even more directly with battle groups, which are large masses of enemies treated by the rules as a single creature with a few minor advantages. This can literally result in situations where a group of three ninjas really is more dangerous than a group of twenty, since the latter is probably actually just one character.

** Inverted, in that it's applied to the heroes by way of LevelScaling, as the villains get more dangerous the more players they're up against. Grand Warlord Voss, for instance: He starts with a number of minions equal to the number of heroes, and when he goes into combat himself, his damage output is H-1 and H-2. So a full-party of heroes is facing five mooks just to start with, and taking 4 and 3 damage against the boss himself -- and god help the players who go in with six or seven heroes. But the minimum party would only start off against two mooks, and only take 1 damage from Voss himself when those mooks go down.

* ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' Fourth Edition uses "minion" class enemies to invoke this trope in 4th Edition. They each have one hit point and are designed to fall in droves. Then there are elite and solo enemies, equal to two and five normal monsters respectively. If you see a group of 20 orcs, they are probably mostly minions, and one fireball will leave you with a target or two left; if you see two orcs, they are probably elite brutes, each of which has 194 hit points, a much nastier fight.

* ''{{Exalted}}'' models this by presenting any sufficiently large number of disposable enemies as 'Extras', with drastically low health and stats, that exist mostly as a minor obstacle to the players, window dressing for the antagonists, or [[RuleOfCool stunt]] fodder.

* ''DontRestYourHead'' has a Ninja madness power that lets you summon endless numbers of ninja mooks from every impossible hiding place. Their only ability is a reckless Zerg Rush. OR you call an elite Ninja, ColourCodedForYourConvenience. Don't mess with him. He's badass.
* ''DungeonsAndDragons'' Fourth Edition uses "minion" class enemies to invoke this trope in 4th Edition. They each have one hit point and are designed to fall in droves. Then there are elite and solo enemies, equal to two and five normal monsters respectively. If you see a group of 20 orcs, they are probably mostly minions, and one fireball will leave you with a target or two left; if you see two orcs, they are probably elite brutes, each of which has 194 hit points, a much nastier fight.

*** As a final note, this only applies in the gameplay side of GameplayAndStorySegregation, because any GameMaster who isn't a complete dope will be fully that a hopeless and pointless battle for the players is not fun. Thus, dismissing the 20 orcs as "most likely minions" is a {{Metagame}} call which the characters have no way of making themselves.

* ''DungeonsAndDragons'' uses "minion" class enemies to invoke this trope in 4th Edition. They each have one hit point and are designed to fall in droves. Then there are elite and solo enemies, equal to two and five normal monsters respectively. If you see a group of 20 orcs, they are probably mostly minions, and one fireball will leave you with a target or two left; if you see two orcs, they are probably elite brutes, each of which has 194 hit points, a much nastier fight.

* ''Brickwars'' invokes this trope for its [[http://www.brikwars.com/downloads/cards/ninja_scum.jpg Ninja Scum]] card, resulting in a unit that gets lower rolls the more there are (and you must have at least three). The flavor text says it all.