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** Like in the original ''Tales to Astonish'', Hank's ants spell out messages for him and the Wasp. Here, it's shown the difficulties of creatures that can't speak English trying to communicate in it (namely, misspelling help as "HLEP")
** As the narrator ant points out, the one from 14 years ago was its ancestor. Ants don't live for that long.
** Like in the original ''Tales to Astonish'', Hank's ants spell out messages for him and the Wasp. Here, it's shown the difficulties of creatures that can't speak English trying to communicate in it (namely, misspelling help as "HLEP")
** As the narrator ant points out, the one from 14 years ago was its ancestor. Ants don't live for that long.
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* ArmorPiercingResponse: As All-father Ultron once more proclaims to be Hank Pym, Lang points out that if he were Pym, he’d be using the All-father’s power to free himself from Ultron, briefly stunning their foe.
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* UncertainDoom: It’s not made clear [[spoiler:what happened to Pym’s body when Ultron was regressed by the Time Ray]].
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* SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome:
** Like in the original ''Tales to Astonish'', Hank’s ants spell out messages for him and the Wasp. Here, it’s shown the difficulties of creatures that can’t speak English trying to communicate in it (namely, misspelling help as “HLEP”)
** As the narrator ant points out, the one from 14 years ago was its ancestor. Ants don’t live for that long.
** Like in the original ''Tales to Astonish'', Hank’s ants spell out messages for him and the Wasp. Here, it’s shown the difficulties of creatures that can’t speak English trying to communicate in it (namely, misspelling help as “HLEP”)
** As the narrator ant points out, the one from 14 years ago was its ancestor. Ants don’t live for that long.
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** The flashback to [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Hank Pym's early days]] feature yellowed pages with faux wood-pulp grain and ben-day dots, deliberately hammy dialogue and thought balloons containing characters' [[InnerMonologue inner monologues]].
** The flashback to [[UsefulNotes/TheModernAgeOfComicBooks Eric O'Grady's Ant-Man career]] starts with an [[LemonyNarrator ant recapping the status quo]], and mimics traits of [[DecompressedComic decompressed comics]], including pages with tight grids of [[RecycledAnimation several panels of the same art, reused with different dialogue]].
** The flashback to [[UsefulNotes/TheModernAgeOfComicBooks Eric O'Grady's Ant-Man career]] starts with an [[LemonyNarrator ant recapping the status quo]], and mimics traits of [[DecompressedComic decompressed comics]], including pages with tight grids of [[RecycledAnimation several panels of the same art, reused with different dialogue]].
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** The flashback to [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks [[MediaNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Hank Pym's early days]] feature yellowed pages with faux wood-pulp grain and ben-day dots, deliberately hammy dialogue and thought balloons containing characters' [[InnerMonologue inner monologues]].
** The flashback to[[UsefulNotes/TheModernAgeOfComicBooks [[MediaNotes/TheModernAgeOfComicBooks Eric O'Grady's Ant-Man career]] starts with an [[LemonyNarrator ant recapping the status quo]], and mimics traits of [[DecompressedComic decompressed comics]], including pages with tight grids of [[RecycledAnimation several panels of the same art, reused with different dialogue]].
** The flashback to
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* CallForward: With a mix of DramaticIrony. 60s Hank hears one line of dialogue for Ultron, and states that none of his AIs will be programmed to act like that.
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* IdenticalGrandson: Parodied with the ant narrating issue 2, who notes that the original narrator ant was his ant-cestor.
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* ChekhovsGun: The Time Master's aging ray, which just seems like part of issue 1's one-off story, comes back in issue 3. It's used to [[spoiler:free Ultron from his prison. Vibranium may be a fictional metal, but it's still one that obeys ''some'' of the laws of physics... like entropy.]]
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* ChekhovsGun: The Time Master's aging ray, which just seems like part of issue 1's one-off story, comes back in issue 3. It's used to [[spoiler:free Ultron from his prison. Vibranium may be a fictional metal, but it's still one that obeys ''some'' of the laws of physics... like entropy. Then Scott brings it along with him to the future by accident, allowing the Ant-Men to use it to defeat Ultron.]]
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** [[spoiler:When zapped by the Time-Master's age ray, Ultron shifts through some of the forms he's had over the years, including his Phalanx-Ultron form, finally ending on his very first.]]
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** [[spoiler:When zapped by the Time-Master's age ray, Ultron shifts through some of the forms he's had over the years, including his Phalanx-Ultron form, and his Ultron-13 form, finally ending on his very first.]]
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* AndroidsArePeopleToo: Deconstructed; the Black Ant copy of Eric O'Grady is fully aware that he's a robot, to the extent that he tries to release Ultron while arguing that he's following the natural order by giving himself a leader.
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* FutureMeScaresMe: [[spoiler:Tales to Astonish-era Hank comes face to face with Pymtron.]]
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* EveryoneHasStandards: O'Grady tries to tell himself that the fact that he isn't comfortable about digging up Lang's grave is what's important, even though he still attempts it.
* FutureMeScaresMe: [[spoiler:Tales to Astonish-era Hank comes face to face withPymtron.]]Pymtron]].
* FutureMeScaresMe: [[spoiler:Tales to Astonish-era Hank comes face to face with
* IgnorantOfTheirOwnIgnorance: Desperate for more Pym Particles, O'Grady tries to dig up Scott Lang's grave in the hope that he was buried with his equipment. As is later pointed out, Lang was killed when he was ''blown up'', so the grave is purely symbolic and there's nothing buried there.
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* NiceJobBreakingItHero: Zayn's ''illegal'' time travel experiments inadvertently allow the Ultron of his time to recorporate himself after being killed in ''Ultron Forever''.
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* NiceJobBreakingItHero: NiceJobBreakingItHero:
** Criti Noll (the Skrull impersonating Pym) actually used Skrull technology to make the new Ant-Man suit, with the result that O'Grady's suit is significantly more dangerous than what Criti can achieve when he tries to go after O'Grady in the original suit.
** Zayn's ''illegal'' time travel experiments inadvertently allow the Ultron of his time to recorporate himself after being killed in ''Ultron Forever''.
** Criti Noll (the Skrull impersonating Pym) actually used Skrull technology to make the new Ant-Man suit, with the result that O'Grady's suit is significantly more dangerous than what Criti can achieve when he tries to go after O'Grady in the original suit.
** Zayn's ''illegal'' time travel experiments inadvertently allow the Ultron of his time to recorporate himself after being killed in ''Ultron Forever''.
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* TheQuisling: After being caught by Ultron, O'Grady -- having yet to undergo the CharacterDevelopment that would make him marginally less of a DirtyCoward -- immediately begins pleading for his life by offering to be a henchman or [[TheStoolPigeon stoolie]]. Of course, once Ultron is defeated, he immediately claims he was [[FakeDefector deliberately trying to distract Ultron so the others could beat him]].
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* TheQuisling: After being caught by Ultron, O'Grady -- O'Grady- having yet to undergo the CharacterDevelopment that would make him marginally less of a DirtyCoward -- DirtyCoward- immediately begins pleading for his life by offering to be a henchman or [[TheStoolPigeon stoolie]]. Of course, once Ultron is defeated, he immediately claims he was [[FakeDefector deliberately trying to distract Ultron so the others could beat him]].
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** In issue 3, Scott Lang is tasked with dealing with the fused Hank Pym/Ultron, only for Black Ant, a robot copy of Eric O'Grady,
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* VillainousBSOD: Scott Long manages to temporarily shut Ultron's claim of being part-Hank Pym down by asking why, if he's got all the power he has, he never tried separating himself from Ultron. This gives the kill-bot a momentary existential crisis... and then he defaults to Ultron's usual solution: Kill everything in sight.
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* VillainousBSOD: Scott Long Lang manages to temporarily shut Ultron's claim of being part-Hank Pym down by asking why, if he's got all the power he has, he never tried separating himself from Ultron. This gives the kill-bot a momentary existential crisis... and then he defaults to Ultron's usual solution: Kill everything in sight.
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In 2023 it will be followed by a similar 60th anniversary series focusing on Ant-Man's original partner the Wasp, titled simply ''ComicBook/{{Wasp|2023}}''.
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* SequelHook: [[spoiler:It's left vague whether All-Father Ultron is actually defeated this time, or has just been sent careening back into the timestream.]]
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* SequelHook: [[spoiler:It's left vague whether All-Father Ultron is actually defeated this time, or has just been sent careening back into the timestream. The narration box advises readers to check future Marvl releases.]]
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IUEO now
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* XtremeKoolLetterz: Zayn Asghar's name would more typically be spelled "Zain", but the Y gives it a [[AwesomeMcCoolName futuristic twist]].
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* XtremeKoolLetterz: Zayn Asghar's name would more typically be spelled "Zain", but the Y gives it a [[AwesomeMcCoolName futuristic twist]].twist.
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* DisneyOwnsThisTrope: In the future, Marvl apparently owns the trademarks on the phrases narrative experience, instructions, and info-dump
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* InfoDump: Issue #4 has a "Marvl Narrative Infodump! ([-TM-])" to explain just who Zayn is.
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* NoodleIncident: The fake recap page for issue 4 lists several future Marvel comics as being part of the events of the ''Ultron: Forever'' future, including "Mighty Thor #4774", "Avenging Ultron: The All-Father Imperative", "Immortal Doom: The End Omega" and "All-New New Champions".
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-->'''Ultron:''' I'm Pym-\\
'''Scott:''' Bull! You can't be! Because if the real Hank had the power of the All-Father, he wouldn't rest until he'd used it - TO FREE HIMSELF FROM ULTRON!\\
'''Ultron:''' ... [-What?-] NO. I am Henry Pym. I am. [-I... I am...-] I AM ULTRON!
'''Scott:''' Bull! You can't be! Because if the real Hank had the power of the All-Father, he wouldn't rest until he'd used it - TO FREE HIMSELF FROM ULTRON!\\
'''Ultron:''' ... [-What?-] NO. I am Henry Pym. I am. [-I... I am...-] I AM ULTRON!
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* NoRespectGuy: Lampshaded by Cassie Lang, who points out that Scott shouldn't have to suck up to the other Avengers, given he's just as accomplished as any of them; it's implied that they would respect him more if [[DudeWhere'sMyRespect he wasn't so desperate for their approval]].
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* NoRespectGuy: Lampshaded by Cassie Lang, who points out that Scott shouldn't have to suck up to the other Avengers, given he's just as accomplished as any of them; it's implied that they would respect him more if [[DudeWhere'sMyRespect [[DudeWheresMyRespect he wasn't so desperate for their approval]].
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* TheQuisling: After being caught by Ultron, O'Grady -- having yet to undergo the CharacterDevelopment that would make him marginally less of a DirtyCoward -- immediately begins pleading for his life by offering to be a henchman or [[StoolPigeon stoolie]]. Of course, once Ultron is defeated, he immediately claims he was [[FakeDefector deliberately trying to distract Ultron so the others could beat him]].
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* TheQuisling: After being caught by Ultron, O'Grady -- having yet to undergo the CharacterDevelopment that would make him marginally less of a DirtyCoward -- immediately begins pleading for his life by offering to be a henchman or [[StoolPigeon [[TheStoolPigeon stoolie]]. Of course, once Ultron is defeated, he immediately claims he was [[FakeDefector deliberately trying to distract Ultron so the others could beat him]].
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* AffirmativeActionLegacy: Zayn Asghar, the Ant-Man of 2549, is darker-skinned than any of the three previous Ant-Men; his name implies that he's of Iranian descent.
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* NoRespectGuy: Lampshaded by Cassie Lang, who points out that Scott shouldn't have to suck up to the other Avengers, given he's just as accomplished as any of them; it's implied that they would respect him more if [[DudeWhere'sMyRespect he wasn't so desperate for their approval]].
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* TheQuisling: After being caught by Ultron, O'Grady -- having yet to undergo the CharacterDevelopment that would make him marginally less of a DirtyCoward -- immediately begins pleading for his life by offering to be a henchman or [[StoolPigeon stoolie]]. Of course, once Ultron is defeated, he immediately claims he was [[FakeDefector deliberately trying to distract Ultron so the others could beat him]].
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* XtremeKoolLetterz: Zayn Asghar's name would more typically be spelled "Zain", but the Y gives it a [[AwesomeMcCoolName futuristic twist]].
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* ArtShift: The art and color changes as the future Ant-Man travels back to Hank Pym's time, mirroring the comic style of the 1960s. The panel gutters also shift from pure white to yellowed ivory, increasing the sixties comic feel.
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* ArtShift: The art and color changes writing style change as the future Ant-Man travels back time period does, mimicking different styles of comic book over the years:
** The year 2549 is portrayed with stark, saturated block colors and lineless art, with angular, computerised caption boxes that provide "reader instructions", giving it a futuristic tone.
** The flashback to [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Hank Pym'stime, mirroring early days]] feature yellowed pages with faux wood-pulp grain and ben-day dots, deliberately hammy dialogue and thought balloons containing characters' [[InnerMonologue inner monologues]].
** The flashback to [[UsefulNotes/TheModernAgeOfComicBooks Eric O'Grady's Ant-Man career]] starts with an [[LemonyNarrator ant recapping thecomic status quo]], and mimics traits of [[DecompressedComic decompressed comics]], including pages with tight grids of [[RecycledAnimation several panels of the same art, reused with different dialogue]].
** The present-day sequence featuring Scott Lang is written in the style of a modern comic, avoiding the1960s. The panel gutters also shift from pure white to yellowed ivory, increasing the sixties comic feel.use of thought balloons in favour of more varied SpeechBubbles and voiceover captions.
** The year 2549 is portrayed with stark, saturated block colors and lineless art, with angular, computerised caption boxes that provide "reader instructions", giving it a futuristic tone.
** The flashback to [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Hank Pym's
** The flashback to [[UsefulNotes/TheModernAgeOfComicBooks Eric O'Grady's Ant-Man career]] starts with an [[LemonyNarrator ant recapping the
** The present-day sequence featuring Scott Lang is written in the style of a modern comic, avoiding the
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* RecurringElement: Each of the Ant-Men appears in some respect in each of the four issues.
** In issue 1, a teenage Eric O'Grady pesters Hank Pym at the cinema, while Scott Lang appears as a burglar trying to break into the Ant-Agonists' base.
** In issue 2, the Skrull duplicate of Hank Pym catches Eric O'Grady in the act of trying to dig up Scott Lang's grave.
** In issue 3, Scott Lang is tasked with dealing with the fused Hank Pym/Ultron, only for Black Ant, a robot copy of Eric O'Grady,
** In issue 4, all three previous Ant-Men team up with Zayn Asghar, who had made appearances time traveling back to each of the previous issues.
** In issue 1, a teenage Eric O'Grady pesters Hank Pym at the cinema, while Scott Lang appears as a burglar trying to break into the Ant-Agonists' base.
** In issue 2, the Skrull duplicate of Hank Pym catches Eric O'Grady in the act of trying to dig up Scott Lang's grave.
** In issue 3, Scott Lang is tasked with dealing with the fused Hank Pym/Ultron, only for Black Ant, a robot copy of Eric O'Grady,
** In issue 4, all three previous Ant-Men team up with Zayn Asghar, who had made appearances time traveling back to each of the previous issues.
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* SlidingTimescale: [[LampshadeHanging Lampshaded]] and [[PlayingWithATrope played with]]. Even though the flashback sequences are, in-universe, supposed to be only to about fifteen and six years ago respectively, Hank and Janet are seen visiting a 60s-style movie theater, while Eric asks Zayn to [[SkewedPriorities tell him what happens]] in future episodes of ''Series/{{Lost}}''.
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* SupermanStaysOutOfGotham: The Ant-Man mentions there are heroes in his time he could call, but they're too far out to get there quickly enough to deal with the problem.
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* SupermanStaysOutOfGotham: SupermanStaysOutOfGotham:
** The Avengers are unable to assist Scott in issue 3 due to being called away for Avengers stuff.
** The Ant-Man of 2549 mentions there are heroes in his time he could call, but they're too far out to get there quickly enough to deal with the problem.
** The Avengers are unable to assist Scott in issue 3 due to being called away for Avengers stuff.
** The Ant-Man of 2549 mentions there are heroes in his time he could call, but they're too far out to get there quickly enough to deal with the problem.
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The series was followed up in 2023 with a limited series focusing on The Wasp, aptly titled ''Wasp''.
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* NiceJobBreakingItHero: Zayn's time travel experiments inadvertently allow the Ultron of his time to recorporate himself after being killed in ''Ultron Forever''.
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* {{Nanomachine}}: In the future, a lot of Earth species including most ants have gone extinct, so the Ant-Man of that time uses nanoscale robot ants instead. Though they can manipulate atoms, so far they have failed in their intended purpose of restoring Earth's ecosystem.
* NiceJobBreakingItHero: Zayn's ''illegal'' time travel experiments inadvertently allow the Ultron of his time to recorporate himself after being killed in ''Ultron Forever''.
* NiceJobBreakingItHero: Zayn's ''illegal'' time travel experiments inadvertently allow the Ultron of his time to recorporate himself after being killed in ''Ultron Forever''.
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* ShoutOut: Black Ant begins issue 3 comparing himself to the Creator/PhillipKDick story "The Electric Ant".
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* ShoutOut: Black Ant begins issue 3 comparing himself to the Creator/PhillipKDick Creator/PhilipKDick story "The Electric Ant".
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* VillainousBSOD: Scott Long manages to temporarily shut Ultron's claim of being part-Hank Pym down by asking why, if he's got all the power he has, he never tried separating himself from Ultron. This gives the kill-bot a momentary existential crisis... and then he defaults to Ultron's usual solution: Kill everything in sight.
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* WorfHadTheFlu: [[spoiler:All-Father Ultron]] spends most of issue 4 not quite at full power after his resurrection, allowing the Ant-Men to fight him without being killed instantly.
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* BittersweetEnding: The Ant-Men succeed at defeating [[spoiler:All-Father Ultron]] but the versions of Pym and O'Grady involved with the deed are doomed to rather bleak fates. However, studying his predecessors has provided Zayn Asghar with vital information that could help him heal the ravaged future Earth, and all four protagonists share one joyful perfect moment of victory before they part ways.
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* BittersweetEnding: The Ant-Men succeed at defeating [[spoiler:All-Father Ultron]] but the versions of Pym and O'Grady involved with the deed are still doomed to rather bleak fates. However, studying his predecessors has provided Zayn Asghar with vital information that could help him heal the ravaged future Earth, and all four protagonists share one joyful perfect moment of victory before they part ways.
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* CallBack: The events of ''ComicBook/UltronForever'' play into issue 4 in a big way, the future Ant-Man coming from the same future shown there.
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** [=TTA=] Hank Pym accidentally misnames Ultron "Ultimo".
** [[spoiler:When zapped by the Time-Master's age ray, Ultron shifts through some of the forms he's had over the years, including his Phalanx-Ultron form, finally ending on his very first.]]
** [[spoiler:When zapped by the Time-Master's age ray, Ultron shifts through some of the forms he's had over the years, including his Phalanx-Ultron form, finally ending on his very first.]]
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* MikeNelsonDestroyerOfWorlds: Turns out Black Ant is (partially) responsible for the BadFuture of ''ComicBook/UltronForever'' thanks to his actions in issue 3. Namely, [[spoiler:freeing Ultron from his casket gave him a boost thanks to the Asgardian magic and vibranium present, allowing him to conquer Asgard and then the entire universe.]]
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* SequelEpisode: Issue 4 to ''Ultron Forever''. It's even titled ''Ant-Man Forever''.
* SequelHook: [[spoiler:It's left vague whether All-Father Ultron is actually defeated this time, or has just been sent careening back into the timestream.]]
* SequelHook: [[spoiler:It's left vague whether All-Father Ultron is actually defeated this time, or has just been sent careening back into the timestream.]]
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* SupermanStaysOutOfGotham: The Ant-Man mentions there are heroes in his time he could call, but they're too far out to get there quickly enough to deal with the problem.
* ThatManIsDead: Scott Lang is very insistent there's no Hank Pym left in the Pym-Ultron merge.
* ThatManIsDead: Scott Lang is very insistent there's no Hank Pym left in the Pym-Ultron merge.
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* UpgradeVersusPrototypeFight: Eric versus Criti in issue 3 has Criti discarding the Yellowjacket costume she preferred to go after him in the prototype G.I. Ant outfit from ''Irredeemable''. Eric's only saved from death via unexpected time-travel summons.
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* UpgradeVersusPrototypeFight: UpgradeVsPrototypeFight: Eric versus Criti in issue 3 has Criti discarding the Yellowjacket costume she preferred to go after him in the prototype G.I. Ant outfit from ''Irredeemable''. Eric's only saved from death via unexpected time-travel summons.
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* TheBrute: Eric lambasts [[spoiler:All-Father Ultron]] for using his cosmic powers to just punch and fire laser beams at people. His foe tries to rectify this by summoning some demons, but even then all it amounts to is just giving him some CombatTentacles.
