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* CannibalismSuperpower: [[spoiler:She's been keeping the Dark World timeline in a continuous time loop. Every time Twilight and her friends defeat Discord, Nightmare Eclipse finds some way to corrupt the Twilight of that timeline into a new Nightmare Eclipse, then absorbs her to increase her own power and resets the timeline back to the beginning. She's been doing this again and again for hundreds of millions of years.]]

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* CannibalismSuperpower: [[spoiler:She's been keeping the Dark World timeline in a continuous time loop. Every time Twilight and her friends defeat Discord, Nightmare Eclipse finds some way to corrupt the Twilight of that timeline into a new Nightmare Eclipse, then absorbs her to increase her own power and resets the timeline back to the beginning. She's been doing this again and again Lather, rinse, repeat...for hundreds of millions of years.]]
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* CannibalismSuperpower: [[spoiler:She's been keeping the Dark World timeline in a continuous time loop. Every time Twilight and her friends defeat Discord, Nightmare Eclipse finds some way to corrupt the Twilight of that timeline into a new Nightmare Eclipse, then absorbs her to increase her own power and resets the timeline back to the beginning. She's been doing this again and again for hundreds of millions of years.]]
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* SatanicArchetype: [[spoiler:A devil (which is what fallen Alicorns are called) who used to be the good and heroic servant of a deity before "[[FallenHero falling from grace]]". Eclipse is an OmnicidalManiac associated with {{Hellfire}} who plays as TheCorrupter to everyone she once called an ally to further her nihilistic agenda. She opposes and tries to tempt her MessianicArchetype past self into following her plans and just like {{Satan}}, her story is one of revenge. This is one of the ways she's become NotSoDifferent from Discord, since ''he'' is also a Satanic archetype for Equestria.]]
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* {{Adorkable}}: [[spoiler:She ''is'' Twilight Sparkle in Nightmare form, after all. However, due to being FauxAffablyEvil, it just makes her more disturbing when contrasted with [[AxCrazy her]] [[PsychopathicManchild other]] [[KnightOfCerebus traits.]]]]
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** [[spoiler:Since she first became Nightmare Eclipse, she has, without fail, turned every iteration of Twilight from every loop of Dark World into a new Nightmare Eclipse and absorbed them to increase her own power. All iterations of Nightmare Eclipse throughout the multiverse exist because of her. But when the first Eclipse is finally defeated, Twilight absorbs her and all the other Eclipses inside her, thanks to their souls being joined to hers, ensuring that Nightmare Eclipse can never and will never exist again in any form.]]

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** [[spoiler:Since she first became Nightmare Eclipse, she has, without fail, turned every iteration of Twilight from every loop of Dark World into a new Nightmare Eclipse and absorbed them to increase her own power. All iterations of Nightmare Eclipse throughout the multiverse exist because of her. But when the first Eclipse is finally defeated, Twilight absorbs her and all the other Eclipses inside her, thanks to their souls being joined to hers, ensuring that Nightmare because Eclipse can never and will never exist again in any form.merged each of them with herself, their fates were tied to hers. As a result, not only was Eclipse beaten, ''every'' version of her was doomed to be beaten as well.]]
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* HoldYourHippogriffs: Apparently a group of Nightmares is specifically called a Gallary.
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* {{Asexuality}}: [[spoiler:Nightmare Mirror able to watch Cadence and Shining Armor sleeping together without any issue. According to WordOfGod, this isn't actually due to being a Nightmare but that Applejack is just canonically asexual in this universe.]]
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* BigBadSlippage: [[spoiler:She originally 'appeared' in a RecursiveCanon story that inspired her. There she was simply Twilight Sparkle trying to stop Discord, though technically, that Twilight became part of her.]]
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* StaticRoleExchangeableCharacter: [[spoiler:This is how Nightmare Eclipse sees the other Elements of Harmony besides Twilight Sparkle in every cycle (because she sees them as philosophical zombies), even encouraging her to try and topple Discord singlehandedly at time (this is because she did exactly that herself). Each cycle ends with Discord's defeat and Twilight resetting time anyway, no matter who she does or doesn't bring with her.]]
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** [[spoiler:She, or rather a previous loop's incarnation of her, is also this of the ''[[EvilVsEvil Sirens vs Nightmares]]'' Gaiden Story [[BigBadEnsemble alongside Adagio]].]]

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* BewareTheNiceOnes: ''Don't'' knock over Ponythulu's cookies! In fact, this trope is the entire reason his Parent doesn't care about his benevolence: ponies are still ''scared'' of him, just more afraid of inciting his wrath.
* DarkIsNotEvil: Despite being Discord's cousin, and ''freaking Cthulhu'' as a pony, he's actually pretty nice and doesn't really seem interested in doing anything remotely evil.
* DidWeJustHaveTeaWithCthulhu: Is surprisingly nice for being…well, Cthulhu as a pony, and even Twilight admits he deserves to be treated nicely.
* EldritchAbomination: Like the rest of his family, though a bizarrely polite and well-mannered one.
* NiceGuy: A very stark contrast to the original Lovecraft version of him. He likes making cookies for ponies, for one.
* RealMenWearPink: He enjoys making cookies. Being an EldritchAbomination, though, said cookies turn whoever eats them into Deep Ones.
* PluckyComicRelief: It seems his whole purpose in the story is to provide this for the Dark World.
* TokenGoodTeammate: Like Fillimon, he's this for his family, being the most genuinely benevolent of the lot.
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[[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesTheManeCast The Mane Cast]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesCutieMarkCrusaders Cutie Mark Crusaders]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesTheTiaraFamilyAndFriends The Tiara Family and Friends]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesThePrincesses The Princesses]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesShiningArmorArc Shining Armor's Arc]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesEquestriaGirls Equestria Girls]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesOtherCharacters Others]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesAntagonists Antagonists]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesPantheon The POV Pantheon]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesEpilogueTimelineHeroes Epilogue Timeline: Heroes]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesEpilogueTimelineSupportingCharacters Epilogue Timeline: Supporting Characters]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesEpilogueTimelineVillains Epilogue Timeline: Villains]] | '''Epilogue Timeline: Other''' | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesFirstAge First Age]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesGaiden7DreamsNightmares Gaiden 7: Dreams and Nightmares]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesG3Universe G3 Universe]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesExpandedUniverseCharacters Expanded Universe]]]]-]]]

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[[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesTheManeCast The Mane Cast]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesCutieMarkCrusaders Cutie Mark Crusaders]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesTheTiaraFamilyAndFriends The Tiara Family and Friends]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesThePrincesses The Princesses]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesShiningArmorArc Shining Armor's Arc]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesEquestriaGirls Equestria Girls]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesOtherCharacters Others]] Other Characters]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesAntagonists Antagonists]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesPantheon The POV Pantheon]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesEpilogueTimelineHeroes Epilogue Timeline: Heroes]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesEpilogueTimelineSupportingCharacters Epilogue Timeline: Supporting Characters]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesEpilogueTimelineVillains Epilogue Timeline: Villains]] | '''Epilogue Timeline: Other''' | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesFirstAge First Age]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesGaiden7DreamsNightmares Gaiden 7: Dreams and Nightmares]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesG3Universe G3 Universe]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesExpandedUniverseCharacters Expanded Universe]]]]-]]]
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[[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesTheManeCast The Mane Cast]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesCutieMarkCrusaders Cutie Mark Crusaders]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesTheTiaraFamilyAndFriends The Tiara Family and Friends]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesThePrincesses The Princesses]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesShiningArmorArc Shining Armor's Arc]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesOtherCharacters Others]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesAntagonists Antagonists]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesPantheon The POV Pantheon]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesEpilogueTimelineHeroes Epilogue Timeline: Heroes]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesEpilogueTimelineSupportingCharacters Epilogue Timeline: Supporting Characters]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesEpilogueTimelineVillains Epilogue Timeline: Villains]] | '''Others''' | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesFirstAge First Age]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesGaiden7DreamsNightmares Gaiden 7: Dreams and Nightmares]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesG3Universe G3 Universe]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesExpandedUniverseCharacters Expanded Universe]]]]-]]]

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[[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesTheManeCast The Mane Cast]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesCutieMarkCrusaders Cutie Mark Crusaders]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesTheTiaraFamilyAndFriends The Tiara Family and Friends]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesThePrincesses The Princesses]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesShiningArmorArc Shining Armor's Arc]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesEquestriaGirls Equestria Girls]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesOtherCharacters Others]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesAntagonists Antagonists]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesPantheon The POV Pantheon]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesEpilogueTimelineHeroes Epilogue Timeline: Heroes]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesEpilogueTimelineSupportingCharacters Epilogue Timeline: Supporting Characters]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesEpilogueTimelineVillains Epilogue Timeline: Villains]] | '''Others''' '''Epilogue Timeline: Other''' | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesFirstAge First Age]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesGaiden7DreamsNightmares Gaiden 7: Dreams and Nightmares]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesG3Universe G3 Universe]] | [[Characters/PonyPOVSeriesExpandedUniverseCharacters Expanded Universe]]]]-]]]
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* DidntSeeThatComing: Despite being omnipresent, even it can be taken by surprise by things like Derpy becoming the Element of Loyalty [[spoiler:or Rancor impaling Discord with the Concept-Killing Spear. This is also the first sign that she isn't completely infallible...which also means that the possibility of defeating her exists.]]
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* VillainSong: [[spoiler:Sings one upon emerging based off [[Disney/{{Tangled}} What Once Was Mine]] called "Walker of the Endless Wheel".]]

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* GoodPowersBadPeople: Somehow, their VillainousFriendship allows them to supercharge the Elements of Harmony to create a WorldWreckingWave, which they use at the end of every Dark World timeline to [[KillEmAll "delete all the NPCs"]] and force a reset back to the beginning. Normally, the Elements cannot be used without the willingness of [[{{God}} Fauna Luster]], as they are derived from Her power (and She, who loves every being in creation, would ''never'' allow Herself to be used in such a way), but Paradox and her friends combined the Elements with their own raw dark magic and ThePowerOfHate to pervert them into a tool of destruction instead of restoration.

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* GoodPowersBadPeople: Somehow, their Their VillainousFriendship allows them to supercharge the Elements of Harmony to create a WorldWreckingWave, which they use at the end of every Dark World timeline to [[KillEmAll "delete all the NPCs"]] and force a reset back to the beginning. Normally, the Elements cannot be used without the willingness of [[{{God}} [[GodOfGood Fauna Luster]], as they are derived from Her power (and She, who loves every being in creation, would ''never'' allow Herself to be used in such a way), but Paradox and her friends combined the Elements with their own raw dark magic and ThePowerOfHate to pervert them into a tool of destruction instead of restoration.
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* GoodPowersBadPeople: Somehow, their VillainousFriendship allows them to supercharge the Elements of Harmony to create a WorldWreckingWave, which they use at the end of every Dark World timeline to [[KillEmAll "delete all the NPCs"]] and force a reset back to the beginning. Normally, the Elements cannot be used without the willingness of Fauna Luster, as they are derived from her power (and she, who loves every being in creation, would ''never'' allow her power to be used in such a way), but Paradox and her friends combined the Elements with their own raw dark magic and ThePowerOfHate to pervert them into a tool of destruction instead of restoration.

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* GoodPowersBadPeople: Somehow, their VillainousFriendship allows them to supercharge the Elements of Harmony to create a WorldWreckingWave, which they use at the end of every Dark World timeline to [[KillEmAll "delete all the NPCs"]] and force a reset back to the beginning. Normally, the Elements cannot be used without the willingness of [[{{God}} Fauna Luster, Luster]], as they are derived from her Her power (and she, She, who loves every being in creation, would ''never'' allow her power Herself to be used in such a way), but Paradox and her friends combined the Elements with their own raw dark magic and ThePowerOfHate to pervert them into a tool of destruction instead of restoration.
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* GoodPowersBadPeople: Somehow, their VillainousFriendship allows them to supercharge the Elements of Harmony to create a WorldWreckingWave, which they use at the end of every Dark World timeline to [[KillEmAll "delete all the NPCs"]] and force a reset back to the beginning. Normally, the Elements cannot be used without the willingness of Fauna Luster, as they are derived from her power (and she, who loves every being in creation, would ''never'' allow her power to be used in such a way), but somehow Paradox and her friends combined the Elements with their own raw dark magic and ThePowerOfHate to pervert them into a tool of destruction instead of restoration.

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* GoodPowersBadPeople: Somehow, their VillainousFriendship allows them to supercharge the Elements of Harmony to create a WorldWreckingWave, which they use at the end of every Dark World timeline to [[KillEmAll "delete all the NPCs"]] and force a reset back to the beginning. Normally, the Elements cannot be used without the willingness of Fauna Luster, as they are derived from her power (and she, who loves every being in creation, would ''never'' allow her power to be used in such a way), but somehow Paradox and her friends combined the Elements with their own raw dark magic and ThePowerOfHate to pervert them into a tool of destruction instead of restoration.
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* GoodPowersBadPeople: Somehow, their VillainousFriendship allows them to supercharge the Elements of Harmony to create a WorldWreckingWave, which they use at the end of every Dark World timeline to [[KillEmAll "delete all the NPCs"]] and force a reset back to the beginning.

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* GoodPowersBadPeople: Somehow, their VillainousFriendship allows them to supercharge the Elements of Harmony to create a WorldWreckingWave, which they use at the end of every Dark World timeline to [[KillEmAll "delete all the NPCs"]] and force a reset back to the beginning. Normally, the Elements cannot be used without the willingness of Fauna Luster, as they are derived from her power (and she, who loves every being in creation, would ''never'' allow her power to be used in such a way), but somehow Paradox and her friends combined the Elements with their own raw dark magic and ThePowerOfHate to pervert them into a tool of destruction instead of restoration.
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* GoodPowersBadPeople: Somehow, their VillainousFriendship allows them to supercharge the Elements of Harmony to create a WorldWreckingWave, which they use at the end of every Dark World timeline to [[KillEmAll "delete all the NPCs"]] and force a reset back to the beginning.
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** [[spoiler:The version of her from the potential future were the Sirens usurp the timeline from her suffers one as well: being left to be erased from existence along like she has so many others, with the Shadows of her victims eagerly waiting.]]

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** [[spoiler:The version of her from the potential future were the Sirens usurp the timeline from her suffers one as well: being left to be erased from existence along like she has so many others, [[DoWithHimAsYouWill with the Shadows of her victims eagerly waiting.]]]]]]
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* HappyEndingOverride: [[spoiler:Every loop of the Dark World timeline has ended with her wiping out all life in that world, forcing that incarnation of Twilight to become a Nightmare like her, and then absorbing the new Nightmare Eclipse to increase her own power. The key to freeing the world isn't defeating Discord (who is now as much a prisoner of Eclipse as Twilight and her friends are), it's finding a way to put down Eclipse for good so that the loop stops, once and for all.]]
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* {{Foreshadowing}}: During her BreakingSpeech to Fluttercruel, she calls her a defective copy of Fluttershy that never should have existed, making a comment about how it should be proper to erase "excess selves" because "they just take up space and it's not like they're really alive anyway". [[spoiler:Later we find out that she has reset the Dark World timeline about a gazillion times, not giving a shit that she's wiping out every living being in that universe every single time, because she doesn't consider them to be real ponies, just puppets she can use to torture Discord for all eternity.]]

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* {{Foreshadowing}}: During her BreakingSpeech to Fluttercruel, she calls her a defective copy of Fluttershy that never should have existed, making a comment about how it should be proper to erase "excess selves" because "they just take up space and it's not like they're really alive anyway". [[spoiler:Later we find out that she has doesn't consider anyone in the Dark World timeline besides Twilight and Discord to be "real ponies", just mindless puppets she can use at her leisure to torture Discord for all eternity. In fact, she's reset the Dark World timeline about a gazillion countless times, not giving a shit that she's wiping out every reset killed all the living being beings in that universe every single time, because she doesn't consider them to be real ponies, just puppets she can use to torture iteration, for the purpose of forcing Discord for all eternity.to live in an endless, unescapable, unwinnable 1,000-year GroundhogDayLoop.]]



* {{Hypocrite}}: [[spoiler:[[ShutUpHannibal As the heroes point out]], she seems incapable of realizing many of the ideas she uses to condemn others and justify her actions could just as easily be used to condemn her. For example, she says the heroes can't be real because they're not ''exactly'' the same as they were a thousand years ago (Applejack is more lady-like, Rarity is more rough and tumble, etc.), Twilight points out that by that logic, a mass murdering, psychopathic Nightmare version of Twilight shouldn't exist either. [[IRejectYourReality Paradox just ignores her.]]]]

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* {{Hypocrite}}: [[spoiler:[[ShutUpHannibal As the heroes point out]], she seems incapable of realizing many of the ideas she uses to condemn others and justify her actions could just as easily be used to condemn her. For example, she says the heroes can't be real because they're not ''exactly'' the same as they were a thousand years ago (Applejack is more lady-like, Rarity is more rough and tumble, etc.), Twilight points out that by that logic, a mass murdering, psychopathic psychopathic, revenge-crazed Nightmare version of Twilight shouldn't exist either. [[IRejectYourReality Paradox just ignores her.]]]]
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* {{Foreshadowing}}: During her BreakingSpeech to Fluttercruel, she calls her a defective copy of Fluttershy that never should have existed, making a comment about how it should be proper to erase "excess selves" because "they just take up space and it's not like they're really alive anyway". [[spoiler:Later we find out that she has reset the Dark World timeline about a gazillion times, not giving a shit that she's wiping out every living being in that universe every single time, because she doesn't consider them to be real ponies, just puppets she can use to torture Discord for all eternity.]]
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** [[spoiler:Also fought the Sirens in the one loop they managed to make it back to Equestria. This battle is depicted in ''Sirens vs Nightmares'', with her personally fighting Adagio.]]

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** [[spoiler:Also fought the Sirens in the one loop they managed to make it back to Equestria. This battle is depicted in ''Sirens vs Nightmares'', with her personally fighting Adagio. In the timeline where Twilight didn't reset the timeline midfight, Nightmare Eclipse ''loses''.]]



* HoistByHisOwnPetard: [[spoiler:Since she first became Nightmare Eclipse, she has, without fail, turned every iteration of Twilight from every loop of Dark World into a new Nightmare Eclipse and absorbed them to increase her own power. All iterations of Nightmare Eclipse throughout the multiverse exist because of her. But when the first Eclipse is finally defeated, Twilight absorbs her and all the other Eclipses inside her, thanks to their souls being joined to hers, ensuring that Nightmare Eclipse can never and will never exist again in any form.]]

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[[spoiler:Since she first became Nightmare Eclipse, she has, without fail, turned every iteration of Twilight from every loop of Dark World into a new Nightmare Eclipse and absorbed them to increase her own power. All iterations of Nightmare Eclipse throughout the multiverse exist because of her. But when the first Eclipse is finally defeated, Twilight absorbs her and all the other Eclipses inside her, thanks to their souls being joined to hers, ensuring that Nightmare Eclipse can never and will never exist again in any form.]]



** [[spoiler:The reason she and her Gallery can't beat the Sirens is because the very negative energy and corruption that makes them Nightmares feeds the Sirens. By corrupting the Elements of Harmony as they have, using it against the Sirens blows up in their face as the Sirens merely consume it and get even stronger.]]



* KarmicDeath: [[spoiler:Her defeat mirrors several of her actions towards Twilight in previous cycles, including having to witness her friends be torn from her and be forcibly fused with Twilight. Lampshaded by Rota Fortuna.]]

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** [[spoiler:The version of her from the potential future were the Sirens usurp the timeline from her suffers one as well: being left to be erased from existence along like she has so many others, with the Shadows of her victims eagerly waiting.]]



* RevengeBeforeReason: Deconstructed. [[spoiler:She's so consumed by her thirst for revenge, she can't even realize the only reason Discord is even ''doing'' the things she wants to punish him for is because she's ''forcing'' him to as part of the IronicHell she put him into. In addition, her original plan to SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong only failed because her thirst for revenge got the better of her]].

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** [[spoiler:''Sirens vs Nightmares'' showcases this even more strongly: after she's been beaten by the Sirens, drained of her power, and the Sirens are about to usurp the timeline from her, the only way to stop it is if she releases the Shining Armor she consumed who had the Element of Trust and allows herself and the Nightmare Gallery to be purified. Even with the stakes so high, Eclipse is so addicted to her revenge for Discord that to her frustration, she still won't cooperate willingly.]]



* YourSoulIsMine: [[spoiler:Assimilated countless Twilight Sparkles over the time loop, whether they wanted to be or not. Their souls are still inside of her.]]

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* YourSoulIsMine: [[spoiler:Assimilated countless Twilight Sparkles over the time loop, whether they wanted to be or not. Their souls are still inside of her. She also consumed a version of Shining Armor who had the Element of Trust, which is both how ''our'' Shining Armor was created from Amicitia, and a plot point in the ''Sirens vs Nightmares'' story.]]



** They still genuinely seem to care for each other and Nightmare Eclipse. Nightmare Mirror also seems to have compassion for Apple Pie (and is implied to have saved her own version somehow) and Spike still loves Rarity, but neither of them are willing to spare them for this.

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** They still genuinely seem to care for each other and Nightmare Eclipse. Nightmare Mirror also seems to have compassion for Apple Pie (and is implied to have saved her own version somehow) who she keeps in her wings) and Spike still loves Rarity, but neither of them are willing to spare them for this.



** The alternate version of Nightmare Mirror from the ''Sirens vs Nightmares'' story has one when she realizes her Apple Pie is at risk of becoming as revenge crazed against Eclipse as the alpha Nightmare is against Discord because she spent all this time filling her head with hatred.



** Nightmare Mirror reassured Apple Pie that she isn't the one who shouldn't exist and is implied to have somehow saved her own version of her. Doesn't stop her from trying to kill her, but hey, it's better than most of the Nightmare's attitudes.

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** Nightmare Mirror reassured Apple Pie that she isn't the one who shouldn't exist and is implied to have somehow saved her own version of her. Doesn't stop her from trying to kill her, but hey, it's better than most of the Nightmare's attitudes.



** Nightmare Mirror is heavily implied to have saved her Apple Pie and hid her from Eclipse.

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** Nightmare Mirror is heavily implied to have saved her Apple Pie and hid her from Eclipse.Eclipse and hid her in her wings.



* SympathyForTheDevil: The Mane Six end up feeling this way for them in the second fight. The most obvious are Nightmare Mirror, Manacle, and Banneret. The former two [[BeingEvilSucks hate themselves for what they've become]] while the latter is heartbroken over their inability to make Rarity become a Nightmare so they can be reunited.

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* SympathyForTheDevil: The Mane Six end up feeling this way for them in the second fight. The most obvious are Nightmare Mirror, Manacle, and Banneret. The former two [[BeingEvilSucks hate themselves for what they've become]] while the latter is heartbroken over their inability to make Rarity become a Nightmare so they can be reunited. Another aspect of this is the fact Eclipse manipulated event and in other cases flat out ''forced'' them to become Nightmares in the first place. Worst of all is Manacle, who Eclipse put a RestrainingBolt in the brain of to force to work for her.



* UndyingLoyalty: To Eclipse, their leader and friend. Manacle most of all, being the Nightmare of Loyalty.

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* UndyingLoyalty: To Eclipse, their leader and friend. Manacle most of all, being the Nightmare of Loyalty.Loyalty, though in her case it was originally to ''her'' Twilight, and Eclipse more or less ''lobotomized'' her to make it apply to her.


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* AscendedExtra: While important to Mirror's character, she doesn't appear or even speak all that much for most of the story. She is then a major character in ''Sirens vs Nightmares''.
* InnocenceLost: Several hundred million years of watching Eclipse's crimes from inside Mirror's wings, starting with everypony she knows and loves being erased from existence, means she's not an innocent filly anymore. Twilight is heartbroken to see this.
* ItsPersonal: Quite understandably, she ''despises'' Nightmare Eclipse and would've given her a NoHoldsBarredBeatdown in the ''Sirens vs Nightmares'' timeline while she was weakened if Mirror hadn't stopped her. This separates her from her prime self, who forgives more or less anypony and managed RestrainedRevenge on ''Discord''.
* MoralityPet: For Eclipse's Nightmare Mirror, who genuinely cares about and protects her.
* SympathyForTheDevil: Mirror made sure she has no delusions how awful the Nightmares are, but she's also aware they're only like that because Nightmare Eclipse forced them to be. In the ''Sirens vs Nightmares'' timeline, she outright begs Twilight and company to save Mirror and the rest of the Gallery.
* TimeAbyss: Despite appearing to be a filly, she's several hundred million years old. Those years have not been kind.
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* BigBadWannabe: In ''Sirens vs Nightmares'', she's attempts to break back into Equestria to begin her own plans...but the Sirens instantly sense the massive amounts of negative energy present. While powerful, dangerous, and smart, she simply can't compete with them and is swiftly overpowered and brainwashed. After being freed from their control, she realizes even if they hadn't, she can't measure up to Discord or Nightmare Eclipse and would've ended up this trope anyway.
* BreakTheHaughty: She returns to Equestria, only to be usurped by the Sirens and turned into their minion, then discovers her entire motivation had been AllForNothing, as Celestia missed her and still loved her. She then discovers that in the few years she'd been gone, a thousand years have passed and even if she ''hadn't'' accidentally released the Sirens, she would've been outmatched by Discord and Nightmare Eclipse, and Twilight was now far more experienced than her. Worst of all, she realizes she was NotSoDifferent from Nightmare Eclipse, which was exactly what Celestia had feared she'd turn into. All of them thoroughly crushes her ego.
* NiceJobBreakingItHero: In the ''Sirens vs Nightmares'' timeline, her attempt to break back into Equestria accidentally [[SealedEvilInACan releases the Sirens back into it at the absolute worst possible time.]]
* NotSoDifferent: She's horrified to discover far she's this to Nightmare Eclipse.

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* BigBad: [[spoiler:Seems to be [[BigBadEnsemble the other one]] that the Valleyard alluded to in his FinalSpeech, as she fits the description and outright tries to make Twilight become [[HeWhoFightsMonsters She Who Fights Monster]] and ''[[SuperpoweredEvilSide go Nightmare]]'']]. It's cemented with the reveal that [[spoiler:she turned the entire Dark World into a GroundhogDayLoop to punish Discord for all eternity. She finally emerges for the FinalBattle after Discord's death and Twilight refuses to reset time, revealing herself to be a [[FallenHero version of Twilight]] who turned into a vengeance-crazed Nightmare.]]

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* BigBad: BigBad:
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[[spoiler:Seems to be [[BigBadEnsemble the other one]] that the Valleyard alluded to in his FinalSpeech, as she fits the description and outright tries to make Twilight become [[HeWhoFightsMonsters She Who Fights Monster]] and ''[[SuperpoweredEvilSide go Nightmare]]'']]. It's cemented with the reveal that [[spoiler:she turned the entire Dark World into a GroundhogDayLoop to punish Discord for all eternity. She finally emerges for the FinalBattle after Discord's death and Twilight refuses to reset time, revealing herself to be a [[FallenHero version of Twilight]] who turned into a vengeance-crazed Nightmare.]]
** [[spoiler:She, or rather a previous loop's incarnation of her, is also this of the ''[[EvilVsEvil Sirens vs Nightmares]]'' Gaiden Story [[BigBadEnsemble alongside Adagio]].
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* EvilVsEvil:
** [[spoiler:When Discord was still evil]], she had this with him.
** [[spoiler:She's fought Tirek before in previous loops and was never able to beat him.]]
** [[spoiler:Also fought the Sirens in the one loop they managed to make it back to Equestria. This battle is depicted in ''Sirens vs Nightmares'', with her personally fighting Adagio.]]



* Fallen Hero: [[spoiler:Was one a version of Twilight Sparkle who went Nightmare.]]

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* Fallen Hero: FallenHero: [[spoiler:Was one a version of Twilight Sparkle who went Nightmare.]]


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** It's mentioned that [[spoiler:the Sirens]] managed to make her panic. We finally see the context in the [[spoiler:''Sirens vs Nightmares'' Gaiden story when Adagio [[PowerCopying copies her]] ResetButton spell and negate her use of it.]]
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* DissonantSerenity: [[spoiler:When happy, she sounds exactly like Twilight talking about a fun science project... while gleefully revealing how she was able to keep the Dark World timeline trapped in an endless 1000-year GroundhogDayLoop for the purposes of torturing Discord for all eternity.]]

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* DissonantSerenity: [[spoiler:When happy, she sounds exactly like Twilight would if she were talking about a fun science project... while gleefully revealing how she was able to keep the Dark World timeline trapped in an endless 1000-year GroundhogDayLoop for the purposes of torturing Discord for all eternity.]]
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%%* LuckBasedSearchTechnique: Pretty much the only way to find anything you actually want to find if you don't have the Element of Deceit [[spoiler:or convince it to stop hindering you.]]

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%%* * LuckBasedSearchTechnique: Pretty much the only way to find anything you actually want to find is to ''not'' look for it and find it with this trope if you don't have the Element of Deceit [[spoiler:or convince it to stop hindering you.]]

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