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** In the second game, Magran [[spoiler:erupts the volcano at the Ashen Maw in a failed attempt to kill Eothas. This leads to the deaths of nearly the entirety of the Rathun race of giants, who fanatically worship Magran. Morgan isn't particularly concerned when the Watcher points out her lack of concern for the Rathun.]]

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** In the second game, Magran [[spoiler:erupts the volcano at the Ashen Maw in a failed attempt to kill Eothas. This leads to the deaths of nearly the entirety of the Rathun race of giants, who fanatically worship Magran. Morgan Magran isn't particularly concerned when the Watcher points out her lack of concern for the Rathun.]]
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* DropTheHammer: His hammer was primarily a tool, but there's ample evidence that he would also use it as a weapon in a pinch. The Watcher can even create a miniature version of it... which is still a massive two-handed soulbound warhammer for creatures of the Watcher's size [[spoiler:and especially well-suited to destroying Abydon's wayward creations, the Eyeless.]]
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* BackFromTheDead: His resurrection -- and the circumstances surrounding it -- are what kicks off ''Pillars of Eternity II: Deadfire''.

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* BackFromTheDead: His Fitting enough for the god of renewal, he turns out to be capable of resurrecting himself. Said resurrection -- and the circumstances surrounding it -- are what kicks off ''Pillars of Eternity II: Deadfire''.
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* DidNotThinkThisThrough: [[spoiler:After she (indirectly) killed Abydon's body she was eager enough to take his army of children and use them for her own purposes, as a wetworks squad wiping out things she wanted forgotten. Unfortunately, she didn't consider that just because Abydon had forgotten them didn't mean she was their ultimate master, and her control of them might not be as ironclad as she'd like to think. She only realizes this after giving a command that could lead to them [[ApocalypseHow wiping out a significant chunk of modern civilization]] and then finding out she can't rescind that order.]]
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* OtherworldlyAndSexuallyAmbiguous: All the gods see gender representation as matter of style rather than anything important, but Wael in particular has no truck with the concept to begin with.
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* DoingItForTheArt: While she's more of a protective [[MamaBear Mama Bird]] herself, many of her followers are artists and poets, and believe that this is the highest purpose one can attain for oneself.
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* WalkingArmory: In his kith aspect, he wields a hatchet, along with a [[BladeOnAStick spear]] and hunting knife.

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* {{Avatar}}: Any god can have an avatar, a physical embodiment of itself, such as Waidwen, (who claimed to be) the avatar of Eothas.


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* GodInHumanForm: Any god can have an avatar, a physical embodiment of itself, such as Waidwen, (who claimed to be) the avatar of Eothas.
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* [[MeaningfulName Meaningful]]/PunnyName: "Gaun," his aspect as a farmer and reaper, is also the name of a real-world farm supply company.
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* SympathyForTheHero: A metaphorical gun to their head or not, Eothas still expresses admiration for the Watcher's dogged pursuit of him, observing it most take great courage and determination to keep up the hunt.

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* SympathyForTheHero: A metaphorical gun to their head or not, Eothas still expresses admiration for the Watcher's dogged pursuit of him, observing it most must take great courage and determination to keep up the hunt.



** While it isn't possible to kill ''Eothas'' by talking, you can [[spoiler: get him to accidentally commit total global genocide.]]

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** While it isn't possible to kill ''Eothas'' by talking, you can [[spoiler: get [[spoiler:get him to accidentally commit total global genocide.]]



* TokenGoodTeammate: As the god of light, renewal, and redemption, he is by far the most forgiving of the gods, if those seeking forgiveness are truly sincere. [[spoiler: And he's the only god who tried to intervene directly when Woedica threatened to tip the balance.]] He is also the only selectable patron deity whose tenets celebrates priests acting honestly and benevolently (by [[SlidingScaleOfGameplayAndStoryIntegration choosing dialogue options]] marked with the [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Honest and Benevolent reputations]]). He is also the only god [[spoiler:who truly cares about the kith themselves, unlike the other gods who care more about either specific ideals or just themselves. Though he is definitely a DestructiveSavior, he does only what he thinks is strictly necessary to complete his plan to free Eora from the will of the gods, and considering who he's up against, drastic actions are probably necessary.]]

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* TokenGoodTeammate: As the god of light, renewal, and redemption, he is by far the most forgiving of the gods, if those seeking forgiveness are truly sincere. [[spoiler: And [[spoiler:And he's the only god who tried to intervene directly when Woedica threatened to tip the balance.]] He is also the only selectable patron deity whose tenets celebrates priests acting honestly and benevolently (by [[SlidingScaleOfGameplayAndStoryIntegration choosing dialogue options]] marked with the [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Honest and Benevolent reputations]]). He is also the only god [[spoiler:who truly cares about the kith themselves, unlike the other gods who care more about either specific ideals or just themselves. Though he is definitely a DestructiveSavior, he does only what he thinks is strictly necessary to complete his plan to free Eora from the will of the gods, and considering who he's up against, drastic actions are probably necessary.]]
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* AntiVillain: After possessing the Adra statue, he goes on a trek that causes untold destruction, stealing the souls of any kith he passes by, and just causing general chaos. However, his goals are sympathetic [[spoiler:specifically, to destroy the hold that the gods hold on mankind by destroying the Wheel, cutting off the supply of souls that power the gods. And even though his methods cause much destruction, he honestly believes that what he does is the path of least suffering for all, as he is trying to move fast enough that the other gods cannot mount a counterattack; and they have less concern for mortal lives than he does. Indeed, Woedica initially suggests trying to drop the moon on him.]] And beyond all that, he is still very benevolent in personality. When you first get the chance to speak to him, the narration notes that you feel an overwhelming sense of affection and sadness radiating from him, much more than you've ever felt from any other being. And finally, when it comes down to it [[spoiler:he is still willing to listen to you and discuss options with you at the end of the game, and is willing to consider alternatives to his plan if you are convincing enough.]]

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* AntiVillain: After possessing the Adra statue, he goes on a trek that causes untold destruction, stealing the souls of any kith he passes by, and just causing general chaos. However, his goals are sympathetic sympathetic: [[spoiler:specifically, to destroy the hold that the gods hold on mankind by destroying the Wheel, cutting off the supply of souls that power the gods. And even though his methods cause much destruction, he honestly believes that what he does is the path of least suffering for all, as he is trying to move fast enough that the other gods cannot mount a counterattack; and they have less concern for mortal lives than he does. Indeed, Woedica initially suggests trying to drop the moon on him.]] And beyond all that, he is still very benevolent in personality. When you first get the chance to speak to him, the narration notes that you feel an overwhelming sense of affection and sadness radiating from him, much more than you've ever felt from any other being. And finally, when it comes down to it [[spoiler:he is still willing to listen to you and discuss options with you at the end of the game, and is willing to consider alternatives to his plan if you are convincing enough.]]



* InvincibleVillain: While possessing the adra colossus, there is virtually ''nothing'' that can stop Eothas. [[spoiler:Even the attempts of Ondra and Magran to destroy the titan do little more than slow him down. And if you even try to fight him, he simply absorbs your soul, [[NonStandardGameOver and that is that.]] In the end, all you can do is convince him to change his mind [[spoiler:or make him so doubtful that he accidentally kills the world]]. Eventually, one alternative option was added: [[spoiler:in ''The Forgotten Sanctum'', convince Wael to take [[SummonBiggerFish back his body and stop Eothas]]. Wael's [[EldritchAbomination physical form]] is quite enough to take down Eothas, [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption but not in time to save the wheel]].]]

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* InvincibleVillain: While possessing the adra colossus, there is virtually ''nothing'' that can stop Eothas. [[spoiler:Even the attempts of Ondra and Magran to destroy the titan do little more than slow him down. And if you even try to fight him, he simply absorbs your soul, [[NonStandardGameOver and that is that.]] ]]]] In the end, all you can do is convince him to change his mind [[spoiler:or make him so doubtful that he accidentally kills the world]]. Eventually, one alternative option was added: [[spoiler:in ''The Forgotten Sanctum'', convince Wael to take [[SummonBiggerFish back his body and stop Eothas]]. Wael's [[EldritchAbomination physical form]] is quite enough to take down Eothas, [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption but not in time to save the wheel]].Wheel]].]]
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* TheStarscream: Is the god of them. Fittingly, [[spoiler:he seems perpetually ready and willing to betray everyone he works with, and encourages you to do the same by taking Thaos's place and committing all the souls the Leaden Key have collected to re-empowering Woedica. May verge upon IFightForTheStrongestSide.]] For Woedica, possibly. While some think he follows Woedica because she lost her seat of power and plots the downfall of the gods. Some believe that Woedica stole the portfolio of revenge from him, and he follows her until he can take it back. [[spoiler:He's definitely up to ''something'' -- he offers the Watcher yet another deal in ''Deadfire''.]]

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* TheStarscream: Is the god of them. Fittingly, [[spoiler:he seems perpetually ready and willing to betray everyone he works with, and encourages you to do the same by taking Thaos's place and committing all the souls the Leaden Key have collected to re-empowering Woedica. May verge upon IFightForTheStrongestSide.]] For Woedica, possibly. While some think he follows Woedica because she lost her seat of power and plots the downfall of the gods. Some gods, some believe that Woedica stole the portfolio of revenge from him, and he follows is following her until he can take it back. [[spoiler:He's definitely up to ''something'' -- he offers the Watcher yet another deal in ''Deadfire''.]]



** As for his alliance with [[spoiler:Rymrgand and Ondra at Teir Evron]], Skaen is the only one who seems to genuine relish the thought of [[spoiler:destroying the souls Thaos has stolen. Ondra believes it will avoid further pain; Rymrgand is simply indifferent, and destroying souls [[PunchClockVillain is his job]]]].
* YourTerroristsAreOurFreedomFighters: The vicious plots they hatch against those in power [[spoiler: even an AssholeVictim like Lord Haron]] are basically terrorism, but from their point of view they're simply fighting oppression.

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** As for his alliance with [[spoiler:Rymrgand and Ondra at Teir Evron]], Skaen is the only one who seems to genuine genuinely relish the thought of [[spoiler:destroying the souls Thaos has stolen. Ondra believes it will avoid further pain; Rymrgand is simply indifferent, and destroying souls [[PunchClockVillain is his job]]]].
* YourTerroristsAreOurFreedomFighters: The vicious plots they hatch against those in power [[spoiler: even [[spoiler:(even an AssholeVictim like Lord Haron]] Haron)]] are basically terrorism, but from their point of view they're simply fighting oppression.
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* EvilCannotComprehendGood: When Hylea suggests that the gods should welcome Eothas back amongst them, Skaen assumes that she's suggesting this as part of some set up to get Eothas to drop is guard so they can kill him permanently. [[YourApprovalFillsMeWithShame He salutes Hylea's deviousness, to her discomfort.]]

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* EvilCannotComprehendGood: When Hylea suggests that the gods should welcome Eothas back amongst them, Skaen assumes that she's suggesting this as part of some set up to get Eothas to drop is his guard so they can kill him permanently. [[YourApprovalFillsMeWithShame He salutes Hylea's deviousness, to her discomfort.]]
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* TheUnsmile: True to her PerpetualFrowner status, seeing Woedica smiling is described as a rather unnerving expierence to those who witness it, being "toothy and cruel".

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* TheUnsmile: True to her PerpetualFrowner status, seeing Woedica smiling is described as a rather unnerving expierence experience to those who witness it, being "toothy and cruel".
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* AsskickingEqualsAuthority: Or AuthorityEqualsAsskicking -- he has a fairly nuanced view of this. See TheChooserOfTheOne, GeniusBruiser, MightMakesRight, and SoldierVsWarrior.

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* AsskickingEqualsAuthority: AsskickingLeadsToLeadership: Or AuthorityEqualsAsskicking -- he has a fairly nuanced view of this. See TheChooserOfTheOne, GeniusBruiser, MightMakesRight, and SoldierVsWarrior.



* AsskickingEqualsAuthority: Before the other gods rebelled against her and [[BroughtDownToNormal brought her back down to normal.]] It's implied she did not go quietly, and when she appears in visions [[spoiler: at the very end of the game in [[PlaceOfPower Sun In Shadow]],]] her godly image still bears noticeable scars.

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* AsskickingEqualsAuthority: AsskickingLeadsToLeadership: Before the other gods rebelled against her and [[BroughtDownToNormal brought her back down to normal.]] It's implied she did not go quietly, and when she appears in visions [[spoiler: at the very end of the game in [[PlaceOfPower Sun In Shadow]],]] her godly image still bears noticeable scars.
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* MyBelovedSmother: The nastier side of her benevolence was hinted at in the first game, but really comes to the fore in ''Deadfire''. She seems to treat kith as if they were weak, helpless, stupid, and in need of [[MeddlingParents her and the other gods' guiding hands]] whether they want help or not, especially [[spoiler:after Eothas reveals his final plan]]. Galawain calls her out for this and even compares her to [[EvilCounterpart Woedica]] because of her contempt for kith's own agency and capabilities.

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* MyBelovedSmother: The nastier side of her benevolence was hinted at in the first game, but really comes to the fore in ''Deadfire''. She seems to treat kith as if they were weak, helpless, stupid, and in need of [[MeddlingParents her and the other gods' guiding hands]] hands whether they want help or not, especially [[spoiler:after Eothas reveals his final plan]]. Galawain calls her out for this and even compares her to [[EvilCounterpart Woedica]] because of her contempt for kith's own agency and capabilities.
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* OddCouple:[[spoiler: She formed one with Abydon, who's the god of preservation, while she's the goddess of forgetfulness. The clashing of their domains ended in tragedy when Abydon tried to preserve the Engwithian's society archeological remains, which Ondra was designated to erase from the world]].

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* OddCouple:[[spoiler: OppositesAttract:[[spoiler: She formed one with was the lover of Abydon, who's the god of preservation, while she's the goddess of forgetfulness. The clashing of their domains ended in tragedy when Abydon tried to preserve the Engwithian's society archeological remains, which Ondra was designated to erase from the world]].
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* MinorMajorCharacter: Despite being the GreaterScopeVillain of the first game, Woedica [[spoiler: only appears once at the very end and doesn't have any dialogue lines whatsoever, letting Skaen do all the talking for her.]]
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* CrystalDragonJesus: The most direct Christianity analog of the setting's gods, right down to his second (and third) coming. Especially the case with his Readceran followers, who resemble medieval crusaders in the first game (as the Iron Flail, the army which comes to the White March with plans of occupying Stalwart and the White Forge), and Christian revivalists in the second (as the Children of the Dawnstars, a missionary relief organization who, at least in the Deadfire, started out as refugees themselves). Also, similar to the biblical accounts on how Jesus did a HeroicSacrifice for humanity knowing that he would be crucified, Deadfire reveals that [[spoiler: Waidwen/Eothas knew that the Godhammer would kill him, but went through it to show Kith that the gods are mortal]].

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* CrystalDragonJesus: The most direct Christianity analog of the setting's gods, right down to his second (and third) coming. Especially the case with his Readceran followers, who resemble medieval crusaders in the first game (as the Iron Flail, the army which comes to the White March with plans of occupying Stalwart and the White Forge), and Christian revivalists in the second (as the Children of the Dawnstars, a missionary relief organization who, at least in the Deadfire, started out as refugees themselves). Also, similar to the biblical accounts on how Jesus did a HeroicSacrifice for humanity knowing that he would be crucified, Deadfire reveals that [[spoiler: Waidwen/Eothas knew that the Godhammer would kill him, but went through it to show Kith kith that the gods are mortal]].
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* CrystalDragonJesus: The most direct Christianity analog of the setting's gods, right down to his second (and third) coming. Especially the case with his Readceran followers, who resemble medieval crusaders in the first game (as the Iron Flail, the army which comes to the White March with plans of occupying Stalwart and the White Forge), and Christian revivalists in the second (as the Children of the Dawnstars, a missionary relief organization who, at least in the Deadfire, started out as refugees themselves).

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* CrystalDragonJesus: The most direct Christianity analog of the setting's gods, right down to his second (and third) coming. Especially the case with his Readceran followers, who resemble medieval crusaders in the first game (as the Iron Flail, the army which comes to the White March with plans of occupying Stalwart and the White Forge), and Christian revivalists in the second (as the Children of the Dawnstars, a missionary relief organization who, at least in the Deadfire, started out as refugees themselves). Also, similar to the biblical accounts on how Jesus did a HeroicSacrifice for humanity knowing that he would be crucified, Deadfire reveals that [[spoiler: Waidwen/Eothas knew that the Godhammer would kill him, but went through it to show Kith that the gods are mortal]].

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* [[TheseAreThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow These Are Things Kith Were Not Meant To Know]]: The gods, particularly Berath and Woedica, have a bit of an issue with kith "rising above their station", and have taken great pains to enforce a form of MedievalStasis on them by restricting their understanding of things like technology and animancy to the point that it is effectively unknown; [[spoiler:they dropped Eora's lost third moon onto Abydon because he tried to preserve the White Forge as a way to empower kith, and in ''Deadfire''’s ''Forgotten Sanctum'' DLC you find a piece of technology that is completely foreign to the Watcher and their party but, to the player, perfectly resembles a printing press.]] And of course, [[spoiler:there is the big secret that they all have pulled out all the stops to prevent from getting out; that they are artificial animantic constructs of the ancient Engwithans, and that there is no real higher power guiding the destinies of kith and Eora at large.]] Suffice to say, if any of the things that the pantheon know got out to their worshippers and the world at large, Eora would be thrown into utter chaos ''at best''.

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* [[TheseAreThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow These Are Things Kith Were Not Meant To Know]]: TheseAreThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow: The gods, particularly Berath and Woedica, have a bit of an issue with kith "rising above their station", and have taken great pains to enforce a form of MedievalStasis on them by restricting their understanding of things like technology and animancy to the point that it is effectively unknown; [[spoiler:they dropped Eora's lost third moon onto Abydon because he tried to preserve the White Forge as a way to empower kith, and in ''Deadfire''’s ''Forgotten Sanctum'' DLC you find a piece of technology that is completely foreign to the Watcher and their party but, to the player, perfectly resembles a printing press.]] And of course, [[spoiler:there is the big secret that they all have pulled out all the stops to prevent from getting out; that they are artificial animantic constructs of the ancient Engwithans, and that there is no real higher power guiding the destinies of kith and Eora at large.]] Suffice to say, if any of the things that the pantheon know got out to their worshippers and the world at large, Eora would be thrown into utter chaos ''at best''.



* [[MinorCrimeRevealsMajorPlot Minor Gag Reveals Major Power]]: In the opening of ''Deadfire'' you can choose to refuse Berath's offer to be their Herald, which sees you immediately get a NonStandardGameOver as you are reincarnated into a cat at their behest. Thus is revealed that Berath actually has control over which souls get reincarnated as what things, which spells some major implications for how the setting's reincarnation actually works if Berath controls it to that degree.



* [[InvincibleVillain Invincible Anti-Villain]]: While possessing the adra colossus, there is virtually ''nothing'' that can stop Eothas. [[spoiler:Even the attempts of Ondra and Magran to destroy the titan do little more than slow him down. And if you even try to fight him, he simply absorbs your soul, [[NonStandardGameOver and that is that.]] In the end, all you can do is convince him to change his mind [[spoiler:or make him so doubtful that he accidentally kills the world]]. Eventually, one alternative option was added: [[spoiler:in ''The Forgotten Sanctum'', convince Wael to take [[SummonBiggerFish back his body and stop Eothas]]. Wael's [[EldritchAbomination physical form]] is quite enough to take down Eothas, [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption but not in time to save the wheel]].]]

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* [[InvincibleVillain Invincible Anti-Villain]]: InvincibleVillain: While possessing the adra colossus, there is virtually ''nothing'' that can stop Eothas. [[spoiler:Even the attempts of Ondra and Magran to destroy the titan do little more than slow him down. And if you even try to fight him, he simply absorbs your soul, [[NonStandardGameOver and that is that.]] In the end, all you can do is convince him to change his mind [[spoiler:or make him so doubtful that he accidentally kills the world]]. Eventually, one alternative option was added: [[spoiler:in ''The Forgotten Sanctum'', convince Wael to take [[SummonBiggerFish back his body and stop Eothas]]. Wael's [[EldritchAbomination physical form]] is quite enough to take down Eothas, [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption but not in time to save the wheel]].]]
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* WalkingArmory: In his kith aspect, he wields a [[AnAxeToGrind hatchet]], along with a [[BladeOnAStick spear]] and hunting knife.

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* [[MinorCrimeRevealsMajorPlot Minor Gag Reveals Major Power]]: In the opening of ''Deadfire'' you can choose to refuse Berath's offer to be their Herald, which sees you immediately get a NonStandardGameOver as you are reincarnated into a cat at their behest. Thus is revealed that Berath actually has control over which souls get reincarnated as what things, which spells some major implications for how the setting's reincarnation actually works if Berath controls it to that degree.
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* WalkingArmory: In his kith aspect, he wields a [[AnAxeToGrind hatchet]], along with a [[BladeOnAStick spear]] and [[KnifeNut hunting knife]].

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* SanitySlippage: Not Ondra herself, but it's revealed that this can and does happen among her followers: [[spoiler:the monks of the Low Tide are those in her service who slowly go insane as their memories are gradually erased to protect the secrets of the Abbey of the Fallen Moon — just before being they're killed in a mass drowning. This is specifically done to ensure the memories can't be Awakened in later lives, and the monks all agreed to it when they were members of the High Tide, but that was''before'' they began to forget, with a major theme of ''The White March'' being whether or not we can truly call ourselves the same person without the memory of our pasts, and whether or not it's possible to truly move on if we don't remember our mistakes. Along with the similarity to Lovecraftian cultists, there's a stark metaphor for [[AdultFear Alzheimer's]] and the way western society often treats its elders, hidden away and forgotten.]]

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* SanitySlippage: Not Ondra herself, but it's revealed that this can and does happen among her followers: [[spoiler:the monks of the Low Tide are those in her service who slowly go insane as their memories are gradually erased to protect the secrets of the Abbey of the Fallen Moon — just before being they're killed in a mass drowning. This is specifically done to ensure the memories can't be Awakened in later lives, and the monks all agreed to it when they were members of the High Tide, but that was''before'' they began to forget, with a major theme of ''The White March'' being whether or not we can truly call ourselves the same person without the memory of our pasts, and whether or not it's possible to truly move on if we don't remember our mistakes. Along with the similarity to Lovecraftian cultists, there's a stark metaphor for [[AdultFear Alzheimer's]] Alzheimer's and the way western society often treats its elders, hidden away and forgotten.]]

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