Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* RaceLift: Downplayed -- canon Roy was pure Caucasian in spite of identifying with his Native American adoptive upbringing. In this fic, he mentions his grandma was ''Diné'' (Navajo), so he's one quarter Native.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
No longer a trope
Deleted line(s) 274 (click to see context) :
* MixedAncestry: He mentions his grandma was ''Diné'' (Navajo), making him one quarter Native.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Not So Different has been renamed, and it needs to be dewicked/moved
Deleted line(s) 83 (click to see context) :
* NotSoDifferent: With Jason. Like his younger brother, Dick didn't have a privileged background, having grown up in a circus alongside his mother with occasional visits from Bruce. After Mary's death, he had a hard time adjusting to high society and only managed due to his natural talent as a performer.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Direct link.
Changed line(s) 114 (click to see context) from:
* TroublingUnchildlikeBehaviour: Not only does he have a potty mouth a sailor would envy, he can identify a drug addict through track marks and his first thought when seeing his father bruised is accusing him of having kinky sex.
to:
* TroublingUnchildlikeBehaviour: TroublingUnchildlikeBehavior: Not only does he have a potty mouth a sailor would envy, he can identify a drug addict through track marks and his first thought when seeing his father bruised is accusing him of having kinky sex.
Changed line(s) 140 (click to see context) from:
* TroublingUnchildlikeBehaviour: He stays up at night to watch his father and eldest brother commit various acts of violence, is constantly eavesdropping or looking into his family's possessions, and is morbidly fascinated by Jason's "criminal" upbringing. Brat's got ''issues''.
to:
* TroublingUnchildlikeBehaviour: TroublingUnchildlikeBehavior: He stays up at night to watch his father and eldest brother commit various acts of violence, is constantly eavesdropping or looking into his family's possessions, and is morbidly fascinated by Jason's "criminal" upbringing. Brat's got ''issues''.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* {{Foil}}: Both for Catherine Todd and Janet Drake.
** Catherine and Sheila both committed a crime regarding their shared son. Sheila carelessly threw Jason away in spite of her duty of care towards him, and Catherine stole Jason even if she had no right to his custody.
** Just like Sheila, Janet is very much absent from her son's life. However, Sheila picked a clean, definitive option while Janet is dragging her neglect through the years.
** Catherine and Sheila both committed a crime regarding their shared son. Sheila carelessly threw Jason away in spite of her duty of care towards him, and Catherine stole Jason even if she had no right to his custody.
** Just like Sheila, Janet is very much absent from her son's life. However, Sheila picked a clean, definitive option while Janet is dragging her neglect through the years.
Added DiffLines:
* EvilMentor: She's hinted to see herself into Jason and interested into helping him to adapt to the elite's way of living. It kinda backfires on her, as Jason considers she's the perfect embodiment of everything he ''doesn't'' want to become.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Deleted line(s) 53 (click to see context) :
* NeverLiveItDown: InUniverse, Gotham's elite doesn't feel much respect for Brucie after seeing him bedding lower-class trash and siring a string of bastard kids.
Added DiffLines:
* OnceDoneNeverForgotten: Gotham's elite doesn't feel much respect for Brucie after seeing him bedding lower-class trash and siring a string of bastard kids.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Deleted line(s) 137 (click to see context) :
* SpoiledSweet: The kid is kind at heart but his naivete makes it obvious that he grew up rich.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 205,206 (click to see context) from:
* WhiteAndGrayMorality: Ultimately, she was just worried about an abandoned baby and wanted to give him a loving parent. WordOfGod also reveals she didn't feel she could trust Bruce with Jason since he hadn't proved he ''could'' be responsible with his offspring.
to:
* WhiteAndGrayMorality: WhiteAndGreyMorality: Ultimately, she was just worried about an abandoned baby and wanted to give him a loving parent. WordOfGod also reveals she didn't feel she could trust Bruce with Jason since he hadn't proved he ''could'' be responsible with his offspring.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 31 (click to see context) from:
** Jason is StreetSmart, compassionate, and already advocating for social reform. He'll be running the Wayne Foundation by the time he's sixteen.
to:
** Jason is StreetSmart, compassionate, and already advocating for social welfare and reform. He'll be running the Wayne Foundation by the time he's sixteen.nineteen.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
* NeverLiveItDown: InUniverse, Gotham's elite doesn't feel much respect for Brucie after seeing him bedding lower-class trash and siring a string of bastard kids.
* TerrorHero: Batman's whole strick is to be as scary as fuck for criminals. It works a bit ''too'' well since Jason outright believes Batman would harm him or Tim.
* NoSocialSkills: At least Bruce can pretend he abides normality. Tim needs to be bashed upon the head with the fact he can be creepy and insensitive.
Changed line(s) 184,185 (click to see context) from:
* TokenMinority: Among Bruce's exes, Mary is exceptionnal on two levels. Not only she was a fully-fledged NiceGal, she's currently dead.
to:
* TokenMinority: Among Bruce's exes, Mary is exceptionnal exceptional on two levels. Not only she was a fully-fledged NiceGal, she's currently dead.
* LimaSyndrome: The more she cared for an infant Jason, the more she felt reluctant about handing him to Bruce, until she decided to keep him.
Changed line(s) 229 (click to see context) from:
to:
* WickedStepmother: Downplayed since she's not married to Bruce, but her assessing Dick as a shallow charmer who will never achieve anything is downright brutal and mean.
* WineIsClassy: She's shown drinking wine twice, and both occasions are a display of her ease in rich culture.
* WineIsClassy: She's shown drinking wine twice, and both occasions are a display of her ease in rich culture.
Added DiffLines:
* {{Foil}}: Just like Willis for Jason, he's stepfather to a Wayne boy. Where Willis was straight-out violent and domineering, Jack is so well-meaning and laidback he's a doormat.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 29 (click to see context) from:
to:
* WiseBeyondTheirYears:
** Dick is a marvelous actor, has a high EQ, and has the best interpersonal skills in the family by far. He can literally befriend anyone.
** Jason is StreetSmart, compassionate, and already advocating for social reform. He'll be running the Wayne Foundation by the time he's sixteen.
** Tim is simply brilliant. He's managed to figure out his father and brother's 'extracurricular activities', frequently slips out of Wayne Manor unnoticed to go stalk and take pictures of them, and could probably graduate from middle school, if not high school, right now if he ever bothered to put in the effort.
** Subverted with Damian. While he's every bit as intelligent and gifted as his brothers, he's a SpoiledBrat with elitist views and is significantly more immature than any of his older brothers were at his age.
** Dick is a marvelous actor, has a high EQ, and has the best interpersonal skills in the family by far. He can literally befriend anyone.
** Jason is StreetSmart, compassionate, and already advocating for social reform. He'll be running the Wayne Foundation by the time he's sixteen.
** Tim is simply brilliant. He's managed to figure out his father and brother's 'extracurricular activities', frequently slips out of Wayne Manor unnoticed to go stalk and take pictures of them, and could probably graduate from middle school, if not high school, right now if he ever bothered to put in the effort.
** Subverted with Damian. While he's every bit as intelligent and gifted as his brothers, he's a SpoiledBrat with elitist views and is significantly more immature than any of his older brothers were at his age.
* AdaptationRelationshipOverhaul: Because they're biologically related, the expectations his three eldest children have for him are entirely different; they expect him to be their father first and Batman second (not helped by one of them not even knowing he's Batman and another being a SecretSecretKeeper). Instead of idolizing him, here none of the boys expect much from him due to his NoSocialSkills and lack of emotional vulnerability.
Changed line(s) 45 (click to see context) from:
** His distate for Catherine is subtle, but there. Taking in account the fact that she technically kidnapped a week-old Jason and deprived Bruce from the opportunity to raise and love his son for thirteen years, he's surprisingly generous towards her.
to:
** His distate distaste for Catherine is subtle, but there. Taking in account the fact that she technically kidnapped a week-old Jason and deprived Bruce from the opportunity to raise and love his son for thirteen years, he's surprisingly generous towards her.her.
* NoSocialSkills: Played with. He does have some social skills but they amount to putting up a facade so no one figures out he's Batman and being charming enough to get laid. When it comes to actually interpersonal skills and emotional intimacy, he's a complete failure.
* ParentalFavoritism: Downplayed. While he loves his children equally, he pays more attention to Jason due to his TroublingUnchildlikeBehavior and his HarmfulToMinors past, having missed out on most of Jason's childhood. It also helps that Jason is the only one of his children who is actually applying his intelligence and skills in a constructive fashion, compared to Dick (who ditched a chance to go the Olympics) and Tim (who refuses to go to school because he's smarter than all his peers).
* NoSocialSkills: Played with. He does have some social skills but they amount to putting up a facade so no one figures out he's Batman and being charming enough to get laid. When it comes to actually interpersonal skills and emotional intimacy, he's a complete failure.
* ParentalFavoritism: Downplayed. While he loves his children equally, he pays more attention to Jason due to his TroublingUnchildlikeBehavior and his HarmfulToMinors past, having missed out on most of Jason's childhood. It also helps that Jason is the only one of his children who is actually applying his intelligence and skills in a constructive fashion, compared to Dick (who ditched a chance to go the Olympics) and Tim (who refuses to go to school because he's smarter than all his peers).
Changed line(s) 64,65 (click to see context) from:
** Right after he introduced his newest brother to his best friend, said brother told him Roy had been a drug addict for a while.
** Robin almost jumped to the roof when he stumbled on his kid brothers wandering through Gotham at one in the morning instead of being safely in their beds, because Jason wanted to see his mom and didn't trust his own family to let him.
** Robin almost jumped to the roof when he stumbled on his kid brothers wandering through Gotham at one in the morning instead of being safely in their beds, because Jason wanted to see his mom and didn't trust his own family to let him.
to:
** Right after he introduced his newest brother to his best friend, said brother told revealed to him Roy had been that said best friend was a drug addict for a while.
addict.
** Robin almost jumpedto off the roof when he stumbled on upon his kid brothers wandering through Gotham at one in the morning instead of being safely in their beds, because Jason wanted to see his mom and didn't trust his own family to let him.him visit her.
** Robin almost jumped
Changed line(s) 70 (click to see context) from:
* FollowInMyFootsteps: He really wants to adopt the vigilante lifetime full-time. Bruce isn't so hot about it.
to:
* FollowInMyFootsteps: He really wants to adopt the vigilante lifetime full-time.life full time. Bruce isn't so hot about it.
Changed line(s) 88 (click to see context) from:
* CallingParentsByTheirName: He showcases how resentful he is towards Bruce by refering to him as "Wayne", but later softens and upgrades to "Bruce". He also does this with Catherine after learning he was adopted and how.
to:
* CallingParentsByTheirName: He showcases how resentful he is towards Bruce by refering referring to him as "Wayne", but later softens and upgrades to "Bruce". He also does this with Catherine after learning he was adopted and how.
Changed line(s) 91 (click to see context) from:
* HarmfulToMinors: His enter childhood up until he met Bruce. Jason couldn't even go outside trick-or-treating with his friends because Park Row was so dangerous.
to:
* HarmfulToMinors: His enter entire childhood up until he met Bruce. Jason couldn't even go outside trick-or-treating with his friends because Park Row was so dangerous.
* NatureVsNurture: His inner conflict. Simply put, Jason wants all the benefits of being rich, while, at the same, time keeping the friends and general lifestyle he had in Crime Alley. Dick is the one to teach him that while it's not that simple, it ''can'' be done through some empathy and compromise.
Changed line(s) 96 (click to see context) from:
* ObliviousAdoption: Poor boy was completely floored and horrified to learn Catherine Todd wasn't his birth mother.
to:
* ObliviousAdoption: Poor boy was completely floored and horrified to learn Catherine Todd wasn't his birth mother. The next time he looked in a mirror, he was shattered to realize he didn't resemble her in the least.
Added DiffLines:
* StreetSmart: He learned a lot of...''questionable'' skills while living in Crime Alley.
Added DiffLines:
* BrilliantButLazy: Currently making do with home tutors instead of going to school, even though he could probably skip several grades if he wanted to. This, understandably, exasperates Bruce.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* {{Bookworm}}: Jason noticeable enjoys the library within Wayne Manor, and sometimes references books.
Added DiffLines:
* UnreliableNarrator: Since he's pissed off and thrown off-kilter by his life suddenly changing, Jason's assessment of people around him reeks of bias.
Added DiffLines:
* AnimalsHateHim: Inverted. Animals are ''fine'' with Tim, but he's outright phobic about them. When his brothers get a horse, he refuse to care for it because horses kill people and give them the statistics.
Added DiffLines:
* SnoopingLittleKid: To him, people locking their doors is because they want to be eavesdropped on. No, seriously.
Added DiffLines:
* ServileSnarker: Not even the Wayne boys are spared by his deadpan commentary.
Added DiffLines:
* ChocolateBaby: Jason is rather surprised to learn fair-skinned, redheaded Roy is one quarter Native American.
Added DiffLines:
* MixedAncestry: He mentions his grandma was ''Diné'' (Navajo), making him one quarter Native.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
* AdaptationRelationshipOverhaul: Being biologically related changes the dynamics of the Bat-Family ''significantly''.
** Dick and Jason get along better since the succession of Robin is a non-factor in their relationship. Ditto for Jason and Tim, to the point that Tim is Jason's favorite brother.
** None of the three eldest boys idealize Bruce due to him being their father first and Batman second, making their expectations for him much different. Hell, Jason outright hated him at first and is only barely beginning to soften on him.
** Damian is forced to acknowledge his brothers' relation to him due the ties being blood, not adoption.
** Dick and Jason get along better since the succession of Robin is a non-factor in their relationship. Ditto for Jason and Tim, to the point that Tim is Jason's favorite brother.
** None of the three eldest boys idealize Bruce due to him being their father first and Batman second, making their expectations for him much different. Hell, Jason outright hated him at first and is only barely beginning to soften on him.
** Damian is forced to acknowledge his brothers' relation to him due the ties being blood, not adoption.
* FourTemperamentEnsemble:
** Bruce and his three oldest sons. Dick is Sanguine, Jason is Choleric, Tim is Phlegmatic, and Bruce is Melancholic.
** Damian also qualifies as Melancholic, making this apply to all four of Bruce's sons.
** Bruce and his three oldest sons. Dick is Sanguine, Jason is Choleric, Tim is Phlegmatic, and Bruce is Melancholic.
** Damian also qualifies as Melancholic, making this apply to all four of Bruce's sons.
Changed line(s) 13 (click to see context) from:
** Dick has his sense of justice. He also inherited his father's acting abilities, hence why he managed to adapt to high society so quickly.
to:
** Dick has his sense of justice.justice -- including his willingness to sacrifice everything for the sake of the mission. He also inherited his father's acting abilities, hence why he managed to adapt to high society so quickly.
Changed line(s) 19,21 (click to see context) from:
* RelatedInTheAdaptation: The Bat-Family is now blood family. While they does fix some issues they canonically have, it also causes ''many'' others.
* StepfordSmiler: They are fervent practicioners. Underneath, they hide social awkwardness, volcanic tempers and lower-than-absolute-zero self-esteem.
* StepfordSmiler: They are fervent practicioners. Underneath, they hide social awkwardness, volcanic tempers and lower-than-absolute-zero self-esteem.
to:
* RelatedInTheAdaptation: The Bat-Family is now blood family. While they that does fix some issues they canonically have, it also causes ''many'' others.
* StepfordSmiler: They are ferventpracticioners.practitioners. Underneath, they hide social awkwardness, volcanic tempers and lower-than-absolute-zero self-esteem.
* WealthyPhilanthropist: Played with and enforced. While Bruce is primarily focused on fighting crime, he's also fully aware that most of the crime in Gotham is a natural extension of increasing poverty in the city. Thus, he's been trying to carry on his mother's philanthropic work on top of being Batman, but finds he can't be effective as he'd like due to being unable to completely empathize with those he's supposed to help. It's only when Jason joins the family that Wayne Foundation's philanthropic work begins in earnest.
* StepfordSmiler: They are fervent
* WealthyPhilanthropist: Played with and enforced. While Bruce is primarily focused on fighting crime, he's also fully aware that most of the crime in Gotham is a natural extension of increasing poverty in the city. Thus, he's been trying to carry on his mother's philanthropic work on top of being Batman, but finds he can't be effective as he'd like due to being unable to completely empathize with those he's supposed to help. It's only when Jason joins the family that Wayne Foundation's philanthropic work begins in earnest.
Changed line(s) 30 (click to see context) from:
* AllGirlsWantBadBoys: A gender inversion. Three of his four children's mothers are flat-out nasty -- Janet is so ambitious she basically forgot empathy, Talia is a master assassin, and Sheila threw out her own baby without even contacting the proper authorities. To be fair to Bruce, the only one of them he was serious about was Talia, and despite her occupation, she had a better temperament than all of them.
to:
* AllGirlsWantBadBoys: A gender inversion. Three of his four children's mothers are flat-out nasty -- Janet is so ambitious she basically forgot empathy, Talia is a master assassin, and Sheila threw out her own baby without even contacting the proper authorities. To be fair to Bruce, the only one of them he was serious about was Talia, and despite her occupation, she had has a far better temperament than all of them.the other two.
* HarmfulToMinors: His enter childhood up until he met Bruce. Jason couldn't even go outside trick-or-treating with his friends because Park Row was so dangerous.
* SirSwearsALot: He wouldn't be Jason Todd without a mouth like that.
Changed line(s) 90 (click to see context) from:
* TroublingUnchildlikeBehaviour: Not only he has a potty mouth a sailor would envy, he can identify a drug addict to his track marks and his first thought when seeing his father bruised is accusing him of having kinky sex.
to:
* TroublingUnchildlikeBehaviour: Not only does he has have a potty mouth a sailor would envy, he can identify a drug addict to his through track marks and his first thought when seeing his father bruised is accusing him of having kinky sex.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 90 (click to see context) from:
to:
* TroublingUnchildlikeBehaviour: Not only he has a potty mouth a sailor would envy, he can identify a drug addict to his track marks and his first thought when seeing his father bruised is accusing him of having kinky sex.
* WickedStepfather: Downplayed, but he acutely remembers his mother's longest-serving BastardBoyfriend Willis as a horrendous male figure in his life. It actually taints a bit his interactions with Bruce.
* WickedStepfather: Downplayed, but he acutely remembers his mother's longest-serving BastardBoyfriend Willis as a horrendous male figure in his life. It actually taints a bit his interactions with Bruce.
Added DiffLines:
* TroublingUnchildlikeBehaviour: He stays up at night to watch his father and eldest brother commit various acts of violence, is constantly eavesdropping or looking into his family's possessions, and is morbidly fascinated by Jason's "criminal" upbringing. Brat's got ''issues''.
Added DiffLines:
* RichBitch: So much, you wouldn't believe she actually went from RagsToRiches.
Added DiffLines:
* MoralityPet: Janet is genuinely fond of hearing him talk about his work, which comes as the first hint she ''can'' have feelings.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
* JerkassHasAPoint: Unfortunately for his boys, when he's pissed off, it's generally for a good reason.
** He's unhappy with Tim constantly skipping school. Let's be frank, the brat's too curious for his own good.
** One verbal fight with Dick came from the youth abruptly refusing to participate in the Olympic tryouts. Okay, he's allowed to change his mind, but doing it so right after Bruce paid for his travel and board, and without telling his team they would need a replacement? Not cool at all.
** When Jason takes him to task for firing his secretary, Bruce retorts that yes, he fires people selling his private stories to tabloids because he would rather have trustworthy staff.
** His distate for Catherine is subtle, but there. Taking in account the fact that she technically kidnapped a week-old Jason and deprived Bruce from the opportunity to raise and love his son for thirteen years, he's surprisingly generous towards her.
** He's unhappy with Tim constantly skipping school. Let's be frank, the brat's too curious for his own good.
** One verbal fight with Dick came from the youth abruptly refusing to participate in the Olympic tryouts. Okay, he's allowed to change his mind, but doing it so right after Bruce paid for his travel and board, and without telling his team they would need a replacement? Not cool at all.
** When Jason takes him to task for firing his secretary, Bruce retorts that yes, he fires people selling his private stories to tabloids because he would rather have trustworthy staff.
** His distate for Catherine is subtle, but there. Taking in account the fact that she technically kidnapped a week-old Jason and deprived Bruce from the opportunity to raise and love his son for thirteen years, he's surprisingly generous towards her.
* UncannyValley: His "Brucie" act outright freaks Jason, who compares him to a pod person.
Changed line(s) 60,61 (click to see context) from:
to:
Added DiffLines:
* InnocentlyInsensitive: His interest in Jason first looks like as a curious researcher inquiring about a new pet, and he also repeats his mom's classist prejudices. He wises up after his brother blows up at him.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 20 (click to see context) from:
to:
* StepfordSmiler: They are fervent practicioners. Underneath, they hide social awkwardness, volcanic tempers and lower-than-absolute-zero self-esteem.
* ControlFreak: Bruce tends to make decisions for his children without consulting them, such as forcing Jason to change schools or reserving a place for Dick at Princeton College.
Changed line(s) 69,70 (click to see context) from:
* BigBrotherInstinct: Despite the rocky start to their relationship, he quickly adopts this attitude towards
Tim. He skips school to save Tim after he finds trouble in Crime Alley, and calls out Janet during a family trip when she's about to abandon Tim ''again''.
Tim. He skips school to save Tim after he finds trouble in Crime Alley, and calls out Janet during a family trip when she's about to abandon Tim ''again''.
to:
* BigBrotherInstinct: Despite the rocky start to their relationship, he quickly adopts this attitude towards
towards Tim. He skips school to save Tim the younger boy after he finds trouble in Crime Alley, and calls out Janet during a family trip when she's about to abandon Tim her son ''again''.
Changed line(s) 130 (click to see context) from:
to:
* StiffUpperLip: Alfred oozes dignity through every inch.
* NiceGal: No, she wasn't an internationally known assassin, a neglectful corporate executive or a junkie. She only was a sweet woman who cared for her son.
Changed line(s) 143 (click to see context) from:
to:
* TokenMinority: Among Bruce's exes, Mary is exceptionnal on two levels. Not only she was a fully-fledged NiceGal, she's currently dead.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
* BigBrotherInstinct: Despite the rocky start to their relationship, he quickly adopts this attitude towards
Tim. He skips school to save Tim after he finds trouble in Crime Alley, and calls out Janet during a family trip when she's about to abandon Tim ''again''.
Tim. He skips school to save Tim after he finds trouble in Crime Alley, and calls out Janet during a family trip when she's about to abandon Tim ''again''.
Changed line(s) 72 (click to see context) from:
* LockedOutOfTheLoop: He's currently unaware of his family's vigilante hobby.
to:
* JerkWithAHeartOfGold: He's easily the most abrasive member of the Wayne family, but also the most compassionate. He's outspoken about the family's charity efforts and a future scene reveals he has taken over the Wayne Foundation by the time he's sixteen.
* LockedOutOfTheLoop: He's currently unaware of his family's vigilante hobby. Considering how easily he managed to figure out Roy is Speedy, it's implied that part of it is because of SelectiveObliviousness.
* LockedOutOfTheLoop: He's currently unaware of his family's vigilante hobby. Considering how easily he managed to figure out Roy is Speedy, it's implied that part of it is because of SelectiveObliviousness.
Changed line(s) 78 (click to see context) from:
to:
* SpottingTheThread: It only takes one look at his track marks for Jason to figure out that Roy is a drug addict. Later on, those same track marks help him identify Roy as Speedy.
* SpoiledSweet: The kid is kind at heart but his naivete makes it obvious that he grew up rich.
* EarlyBirdCameo: He appears in a side story before he can even be mentioned in the main story.
* ForegoneConclusion: The side story confirms his conception, birth, and eventual joining of the family when he's ten.
* ForegoneConclusion: The side story confirms his conception, birth, and eventual joining of the family when he's ten.
Deleted line(s) 111 (click to see context) :
Changed line(s) 120,122 (click to see context) from:
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: Alfred isn't only taking butler duties, he's also the designated cook, cleaner, driver and confidante.
to:
* HypercompetentSidekick: For the Waynes, ''especially'' Bruce. Without him the Manor is completely unable to function at any level.
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: Alfred isn't only taking on butler duties, he's also the designated cook, cleaner, driver andconfidante.
confidante.
* ParentalSubstitute: To Bruce. This also makes him a pseudo-grandfather to the boys, which is partially why they're so fond of him.
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: Alfred isn't only taking on butler duties, he's also the designated cook, cleaner, driver and
* ParentalSubstitute: To Bruce. This also makes him a pseudo-grandfather to the boys, which is partially why they're so fond of him.
Changed line(s) 125,126 (click to see context) from:
!!Other relatives
to:
!!Other relatives
Relatives
Changed line(s) 155,158 (click to see context) from:
[[folder:Janet Drake]]
Nominally, she's Tim's mother. In practice, she remembers having a son mainly when convenient for her.
Nominally, she's Tim's mother. In practice, she remembers having a son mainly when convenient for her.
to:
Nominally, she's Tim's mother. In practice, she remembers having a son mainly when convenient for her.
Jason's ''actual'' mother.
* AbusiveParents: Okay, not wanting children is an understandable life-choice, but flat-out dumping your newborn infant son into an hotel room, without even contacting Child Services? What the hell, lady?
* MissingMom: She threw Jason away barely a week after his birth and never looked back.
* MorallyAmbiguousDoctorate: She was mentioned to be a doctor. And the way she treated her newborn son ''really'' wasn't nice.
* MysteriousParent: She basically vanished after abandoning her son. Jason briefly wonders about seeking her, but ends up deciding to not do so.
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Janet Drake]]
Nominally, she's Tim's mother. In practice, she remembers having a son mainly when convenient for her.
!!Tropes:
* MissingMom: She threw Jason away barely a week after his birth and never looked back.
* MorallyAmbiguousDoctorate: She was mentioned to be a doctor. And the way she treated her newborn son ''really'' wasn't nice.
* MysteriousParent: She basically vanished after abandoning her son. Jason briefly wonders about seeking her, but ends up deciding to not do so.
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Janet Drake]]
Nominally, she's Tim's mother. In practice, she remembers having a son mainly when convenient for her.
!!Tropes:
Changed line(s) 180,183 (click to see context) from:
[[folder:Sheila Haywood]]
Jason's ''actual'' mother.
Jason's ''actual'' mother.
to:
Jason's ''actual'' mother.
Damian's mother, an international assassin and terrorist. She is the daughter of Ra's al Ghul, leader of the League of Assassins.
Changed line(s) 185,189 (click to see context) from:
* AbusiveParents: Okay, not wanting children is an understandable life-choice, but flat-out dumping your newborn infant son into an hotel room, without even contacting Child Services? What the hell, lady?
* MissingMom: She threw Jason away barely a week after his birth and never looked back.
* MorallyAmbiguousDoctorate: She was mentioned to be a doctor. And the way she treated her newborn son ''really'' wasn't nice.
* MysteriousParent: She basically vanished after abandoning her son. Jason briefly wonders about seeking her, but ends up deciding to not do so.
* MissingMom: She threw Jason away barely a week after his birth and never looked back.
* MorallyAmbiguousDoctorate: She was mentioned to be a doctor. And the way she treated her newborn son ''really'' wasn't nice.
* MysteriousParent: She basically vanished after abandoning her son. Jason briefly wonders about seeking her, but ends up deciding to not do so.
to:
*
* TheGhost: She hasn’t even
* MissingMom: She threw Jason away barely a week after his birth and never looked back.
* MorallyAmbiguousDoctorate: She was
* MysteriousParent: She basically vanished after abandoning her son. Jason briefly wonders about seeking her, but ends up deciding to not do so.
Changed line(s) 192,195 (click to see context) from:
[[folder:Talia al Ghul]]
Damian's mother, an international assassin and terrorist. She is the daughter of Ra's al Ghul, leader of the League of Assassins.
Damian's mother, an international assassin and terrorist. She is the daughter of Ra's al Ghul, leader of the League of Assassins.
to:
Damian's mother, an international assassin and terrorist. She is
[[folder:Roy Harper -- Speedy]]
One of Dick's best friends. He hides quite the
Changed line(s) 197,200 (click to see context) from:
* DatingCatwoman: One of the only women Bruce has ever truly loved.
* TheGhost: She hasn’t even been mentioned in the main story proper yet. The only thing that confirms her existence is Damian.
to:
* FunctionalAddict: When Jason pegs him as using, he cannot see any hints of
*
* SpottingTheThread: His track marks betray him twice. First, Jason immediately understands he's a junkie. Second, seeing Roy Harper's track marks on Speedy's arm leads to his SecretIdentity blowing open.
Changed line(s) 203,208 (click to see context) from:
!!Affiliates
[[folder:Roy Harper -- Speedy]]
One of Dick's best friends. He hides quite the secrets.
[[folder:Roy Harper -- Speedy]]
One of Dick's best friends. He hides quite the secrets.
to:
[[folder:Roy Harper
One of Dick's best friends. He hides quite
A mild-mannered reporter from Metropolis, who happens to know Bruce Wayne. He's also Superman, the
Deleted line(s) 210,221 (click to see context) :
* AtrociousAlias: Due to Roy's drug use, Jason wonders if ''Speedy'' is a reference to it.
* FunctionalAddict: When Jason pegs him as using, he cannot see any hints of this in Roy's behaviour. Downplayed since Jason admits he's only familiar with heroin addiction, and Roy could not be using right now.
* RecoveredAddict: Going to rehab did him a ''world'' of good, but it's still downplayed as Roy confesses the reasons why he started to use didn't go away, so true recovery ''is'' ongoing.
* SpottingTheThread: His track marks betray him twice. First, Jason immediately understands he's a junkie. Second, seeing Roy Harper's track marks on Speedy's arm leads to his SecretIdentity blowing open.
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Clark Kent -- Superman]]
A mild-mannered reporter from Metropolis, who happens to know Bruce Wayne. He's also Superman, the greatest superhero in the world.
!!Tropes:
* FunctionalAddict: When Jason pegs him as using, he cannot see any hints of this in Roy's behaviour. Downplayed since Jason admits he's only familiar with heroin addiction, and Roy could not be using right now.
* RecoveredAddict: Going to rehab did him a ''world'' of good, but it's still downplayed as Roy confesses the reasons why he started to use didn't go away, so true recovery ''is'' ongoing.
* SpottingTheThread: His track marks betray him twice. First, Jason immediately understands he's a junkie. Second, seeing Roy Harper's track marks on Speedy's arm leads to his SecretIdentity blowing open.
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Clark Kent -- Superman]]
A mild-mannered reporter from Metropolis, who happens to know Bruce Wayne. He's also Superman, the greatest superhero in the world.
!!Tropes:
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 12 (click to see context) from:
* InTheBlood: All of Bruce's son inherited something from him, regardless of whether or not he was a part of their lives.
to:
* InTheBlood: All of Bruce's son sons inherited something from him, regardless of whether or not he was a part of their lives.
Changed line(s) 15 (click to see context) from:
** Tim is a genius like him. While all the boys inherited Bruce's intelligence to enough of a degree to count as above average, Tim is explicitly the only one that is ''smarter'' than Bruce.
to:
** Tim is a genius like him. While all the boys inherited Bruce's intelligence to enough of a degree to count as above average, Tim is explicitly the only one that is ''smarter'' than Bruce. As a consequence, he also has Bruce's complete lack of social skills.
Changed line(s) 34 (click to see context) from:
** This is a major plot point during the subplot leading to Jason learning that he isn't Catherine Todd's biological son. While Bruce does get around, he also makes sure to keep track of all the people he's slept with. One of them reasons why Catherine kept Jason away from him is because he would know that he never slept with Catherine, and could bring her up on charges for kidnapping.
to:
** This is a major plot point during the subplot leading to Jason learning that he isn't Catherine Todd's biological son. While Bruce does get around, he also makes sure to keep track of all the people he's slept with. One of them the reasons why Catherine kept Jason away from him is because he would know that he never slept with Catherine, and could bring her up on charges for kidnapping.
Changed line(s) 51 (click to see context) from:
* CircusBrat: He was mainly raised by his acrobat mother within Haly's Circus until she was murdered, then the courts decided to place him with his father.
to:
* CircusBrat: He was mainly raised by his acrobat mother within Haly's Circus until she was murdered, then the courts decided to place him with his father. People ''still'' hold this against him twelve years later.
* DefrostingIceQueen: Towards his newfound family. He's instantly fond of Alfred and warms up to Tim and Dick quickly. Bruce, however, is a much more gradual process.
Changed line(s) 106 (click to see context) from:
* TheBabyOfTheBunch
to:
* TheBabyOfTheBunchTheBabyOfTheBunch: The youngest member of the Wayne family, and by far the most immature.
[[folder:Mary Grayson]]
Dick's mother, a trapeze artist for Haly's Circus who was murdered when he was six.
!!Tropes
* DeceasedParentsAreTheBest: The only one of the boys' mothers that is deceased and by far the best parent out of all of them. Dick ''adored'' her and was devastated by her death.
* PosthumousCharacter: By the time she's first mentioned, she's been dead for over twelve years.
[[/folder]]
Dick's mother, a trapeze artist for Haly's Circus who was murdered when he was six.
!!Tropes
* DeceasedParentsAreTheBest: The only one of the boys' mothers that is deceased and by far the best parent out of all of them. Dick ''adored'' her and was devastated by her death.
* PosthumousCharacter: By the time she's first mentioned, she's been dead for over twelve years.
[[/folder]]
Changed line(s) 131 (click to see context) from:
* BrokenPedestal: Jason completely adored her, until he learned Catherine found him in a hostel room and forgot to tell Bruce about him.
to:
* BrokenPedestal: Jason completely adored her, until he learned Catherine found him in a hostel hotel room and forgot to tell Bruce about him.him.
* CassandraTruth: Has told Jason all his life that Bruce was his father. Jason refuses to believe her up until the moment a blood test outright confirmed it.
* CassandraTruth: Has told Jason all his life that Bruce was his father. Jason refuses to believe her up until the moment a blood test outright confirmed it.
Changed line(s) 138,139 (click to see context) from:
* WhiteAndGrayMorality: Ultimately, she just worried about an abandoned baby and wanted to give him a loving parent. WordOfGod also reveals she didn't feel she could trust Bruce with Jason since he hadn't proved he ''could'' be responsible with his offspring.
to:
* WhiteAndGrayMorality: Ultimately, she was just worried about an abandoned baby and wanted to give him a loving parent. WordOfGod also reveals she didn't feel she could trust Bruce with Jason since he hadn't proved he ''could'' be responsible with his offspring.
Changed line(s) 150 (click to see context) from:
* ParentsAsPeople: She genuinely cares about Tim, but to her, it means giving him ''opportunities'' to live in comfort and well-connected, failing to understand Tim just wants his ''mom''.
to:
* ParentsAsPeople: She genuinely cares about Tim, but to her, it means giving him ''opportunities'' to live in comfort and be well-connected, failing to understand Tim just wants his ''mom''.
Changed line(s) 172 (click to see context) from:
* AbusiveParents: Okay, no wanting children is an understandable life-choice, but flat-out dumping your newborn infant son into an hostel room, without even contacting Child Services? What the hell, lady?
to:
* AbusiveParents: Okay, no not wanting children is an understandable life-choice, but flat-out dumping your newborn infant son into an hostel hotel room, without even contacting Child Services? What the hell, lady?
Changed line(s) 179,184 (click to see context) from:
!!Affiliates
[[folder:Roy Harper -- Speedy]]
One of Dick's best friends. He hides quite the secrets.
[[folder:Roy Harper -- Speedy]]
One of Dick's best friends. He hides quite the secrets.
to:
[[folder:Roy Harper -- Speedy]]
One of Dick's best friends. He hides quite
Damian's mother, an international assassin and terrorist. She is the
Changed line(s) 186,190 (click to see context) from:
* AtrociousAlias: Due to Roy's drug use, Jason wonders if ''Speedy'' is a reference to it.
* FunctionalAddict: When Jason pegs him as using, he cannot see any hints of this in Roy's behaviour. Downplayed since Jason admits he's only familiar with heroin addiction, and Roy could not be using right now.
* RecoveredAddict: Going to rehab did him a ''world'' of good, but it's still downplayed as Roy confesses the reasons why he started to use didn't go away, so true recovery ''is'' ongoing.
* SpottingTheThread: His track marks betray him twice. First, Jason immediately understands he's a junkie. Second, seeing Roy Harper's track marks on Speedy's arm leads to his SecretIdentity blowing open.
* FunctionalAddict: When Jason pegs him as using, he cannot see any hints of this in Roy's behaviour. Downplayed since Jason admits he's only familiar with heroin addiction, and Roy could not be using right now.
* RecoveredAddict: Going to rehab did him a ''world'' of good, but it's still downplayed as Roy confesses the reasons why he started to use didn't go away, so true recovery ''is'' ongoing.
* SpottingTheThread: His track marks betray him twice. First, Jason immediately understands he's a junkie. Second, seeing Roy Harper's track marks on Speedy's arm leads to his SecretIdentity blowing open.
to:
*
* FunctionalAddict: When Jason pegs him as using, he cannot see any hints
*
* SpottingTheThread: His track marks betray him twice. First, Jason immediately understands he's a junkie. Second, seeing Roy Harper's track marks on Speedy's arm leads to his SecretIdentity blowing open.
Changed line(s) 193,196 (click to see context) from:
[[folder:Clark Kent -- Superman]]
A mild-mannered reporter from Metropolis, who happens to know Bruce Wayne.
A mild-mannered reporter from Metropolis, who happens to know Bruce Wayne.
to:
[[folder:Roy Harper --
A mild-mannered reporter from Metropolis, who happens to know Bruce Wayne.
One of Dick's best friends. He hides quite the secrets.
Added DiffLines:
* AtrociousAlias: Due to Roy's drug use, Jason wonders if ''Speedy'' is a reference to it.
* FunctionalAddict: When Jason pegs him as using, he cannot see any hints of this in Roy's behaviour. Downplayed since Jason admits he's only familiar with heroin addiction, and Roy could not be using right now.
* RecoveredAddict: Going to rehab did him a ''world'' of good, but it's still downplayed as Roy confesses the reasons why he started to use didn't go away, so true recovery ''is'' ongoing.
* SpottingTheThread: His track marks betray him twice. First, Jason immediately understands he's a junkie. Second, seeing Roy Harper's track marks on Speedy's arm leads to his SecretIdentity blowing open.
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Clark Kent -- Superman]]
A mild-mannered reporter from Metropolis, who happens to know Bruce Wayne. He's also Superman, the greatest superhero in the world.
!!Tropes:
* FunctionalAddict: When Jason pegs him as using, he cannot see any hints of this in Roy's behaviour. Downplayed since Jason admits he's only familiar with heroin addiction, and Roy could not be using right now.
* RecoveredAddict: Going to rehab did him a ''world'' of good, but it's still downplayed as Roy confesses the reasons why he started to use didn't go away, so true recovery ''is'' ongoing.
* SpottingTheThread: His track marks betray him twice. First, Jason immediately understands he's a junkie. Second, seeing Roy Harper's track marks on Speedy's arm leads to his SecretIdentity blowing open.
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Clark Kent -- Superman]]
A mild-mannered reporter from Metropolis, who happens to know Bruce Wayne. He's also Superman, the greatest superhero in the world.
!!Tropes:
Added DiffLines:
* HonoraryUncle: He's one of the only people Bruce trusts with his children outside of Alfred.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
* TrophyChild: Hints of this for his mother Janet.
Changed line(s) 185,186 (click to see context) from:
* SpottingTheThread: His track marks betray him twice. First, Jason immediately understands he's a junkie. Second, seeing Roy Harper's track marks on Speedy's arm leads to his SecretIdentity popping.
to:
* AtrociousAlias: Due to Roy's drug use, Jason wonders if ''Speedy'' is a reference to it.
* FunctionalAddict: When Jason pegs him as using, he cannot see any hints of this in Roy's behaviour. Downplayed since Jason admits he's only familiar with heroin addiction, and Roy could not be using right now.
* RecoveredAddict: Going to rehab did him a ''world'' of good, but it's still downplayed as Roy confesses the reasons why he started to use didn't go away, so true recovery ''is'' ongoing.
* SpottingTheThread: His track marks betray him twice. First, Jason immediately understands he's a junkie. Second, seeing Roy Harper's track marks on Speedy's arm leads to his SecretIdentitypopping.
blowing open.
* FunctionalAddict: When Jason pegs him as using, he cannot see any hints of this in Roy's behaviour. Downplayed since Jason admits he's only familiar with heroin addiction, and Roy could not be using right now.
* RecoveredAddict: Going to rehab did him a ''world'' of good, but it's still downplayed as Roy confesses the reasons why he started to use didn't go away, so true recovery ''is'' ongoing.
* SpottingTheThread: His track marks betray him twice. First, Jason immediately understands he's a junkie. Second, seeing Roy Harper's track marks on Speedy's arm leads to his SecretIdentity
Added DiffLines:
A mild-mannered reporter from Metropolis, who happens to know Bruce Wayne.
!!Tropes:
* CoolUncle: To the Wayne boys. Tim is immediately chuffed when given the opportunity to see him, and calls him when he and Jason are stranded alone in Metropolis.
* FriendToAllChildren: When he first meets Jason, he immediately tells him how Bruce is proudly boasting of his son's kindness and intelligence.
* OddFriendship: Yup, the FarmBoy in plaid is on first-name basis with the billionaire.
!!Tropes:
* CoolUncle: To the Wayne boys. Tim is immediately chuffed when given the opportunity to see him, and calls him when he and Jason are stranded alone in Metropolis.
* FriendToAllChildren: When he first meets Jason, he immediately tells him how Bruce is proudly boasting of his son's kindness and intelligence.
* OddFriendship: Yup, the FarmBoy in plaid is on first-name basis with the billionaire.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
* StrugglingSingleMother: She had ''everything'' - drug addiction, being fired from her job, abusive boyfriends and constantly worrying about money.
Changed line(s) 149,151 (click to see context) from:
* RagsToRiches
* SelfMadeWoman
* SelfMadeWoman
to:
* RagsToRiches
RagsToRiches: As she explains it, she took her father's small business and made it into an economic empire.
*SelfMadeWoman
SelfMadeWoman: She's explicitely dismissive of poor people due to this - ''she'' was poor too, and ''she'' made it, so anyone staying poor is just lazy and dumb.
*
Changed line(s) 159,162 (click to see context) from:
* AbsentMindedProfessor
* FlatCharacter
* WhatDoesSheSeeInHim
* FlatCharacter
* WhatDoesSheSeeInHim
to:
* AbsentMindedProfessor
AbsentMindedProfessor: Basically his main characterization.
*FlatCharacter
FlatCharacter: He's only there as a prop to Janet.
*WhatDoesSheSeeInHim
WhatDoesSheSeeInHim: Jason just can't understand why Janet picked such a fop after her fling with Bruce, and winds up concluding she wanted someone as different as possible from Bruce.
*
*
Changed line(s) 170,174 (click to see context) from:
* AbusiveParents
* MissingMom
* MorallyAmbiguousDoctorate
* MysteriousParent
* MissingMom
* MorallyAmbiguousDoctorate
* MysteriousParent
to:
* AbusiveParents
AbusiveParents: Okay, no wanting children is an understandable life-choice, but flat-out dumping your newborn infant son into an hostel room, without even contacting Child Services? What the hell, lady?
*MissingMom
MissingMom: She threw Jason away barely a week after his birth and never looked back.
*MorallyAmbiguousDoctorate
MorallyAmbiguousDoctorate: She was mentioned to be a doctor. And the way she treated her newborn son ''really'' wasn't nice.
*MysteriousParent
MysteriousParent: She basically vanished after abandoning her son. Jason briefly wonders about seeking her, but ends up deciding to not do so.
*
*
*
Added DiffLines:
!!Tropes:
* SpottingTheThread: His track marks betray him twice. First, Jason immediately understands he's a junkie. Second, seeing Roy Harper's track marks on Speedy's arm leads to his SecretIdentity popping.
* SpottingTheThread: His track marks betray him twice. First, Jason immediately understands he's a junkie. Second, seeing Roy Harper's track marks on Speedy's arm leads to his SecretIdentity popping.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 130,135 (click to see context) from:
* BrokenPedestal
* IllGirl
* ParentsAsPeople
* NotQuiteTheRightThing
* WhiteAndGrayMorality
* IllGirl
* ParentsAsPeople
* NotQuiteTheRightThing
* WhiteAndGrayMorality
to:
* BrokenPedestal
BrokenPedestal: Jason completely adored her, until he learned Catherine found him in a hostel room and forgot to tell Bruce about him.
*IllGirl
DaddyHadAGoodReasonForAbandoningYou: She ultimately contacts Bruce to tell him about Jason because she knows she's a complete mess, too ill and addicted to be the mother Jason deserves.
*ParentsAsPeople
IllGirl: From the unexplained ailment variety. That's the reason why she became an addict: she was in pain, and heroin was cheaper than meds.
*NotQuiteTheRightThing
JunkieParent: Unfortunately. Her struggles with heroin addiction heavily impacted Jason.
*WhiteAndGrayMorality
ParentsAsPeople: She really loves Jason, but it doesn't mean she's equipped to give him proper care. And there's the circumstances of his adoption...
* NotQuiteTheRightThing: Her decision to adopt baby Jason would be much more laudable if Bruce hadn't been an option.
* WhiteAndGrayMorality: Ultimately, she just worried about an abandoned baby and wanted to give him a loving parent. WordOfGod also reveals she didn't feel she could trust Bruce with Jason since he hadn't proved he ''could'' be responsible with his offspring.
*
*
*
*
* NotQuiteTheRightThing: Her decision to adopt baby Jason would be much more laudable if Bruce hadn't been an option.
* WhiteAndGrayMorality: Ultimately, she just worried about an abandoned baby and wanted to give him a loving parent. WordOfGod also reveals she didn't feel she could trust Bruce with Jason since he hadn't proved he ''could'' be responsible with his offspring.
Changed line(s) 143,145 (click to see context) from:
* BecomingTheMask
* EvilCounterpart
* ParentsAsPeople
* EvilCounterpart
* ParentsAsPeople
to:
* BecomingTheMask
BecomingTheMask: She adapted so well to the upper class that Jason cannot see her as otherwise but the embodiment of rich people.
*EvilCounterpart
EvilCounterpart: Jason feels nauseated when he understands he ''might'' become like her if he lets his bitterness poison him.
*ParentsAsPeopleHandsOffParenting: A strong believer in this concept. She mainly dumped Tim with Bruce to be raised, and has no problems leaving the kid alone in a room.
* ParentsAsPeople: She genuinely cares about Tim, but to her, it means giving him ''opportunities'' to live in comfort and well-connected, failing to understand Tim just wants his ''mom''.
*
*
* ParentsAsPeople: She genuinely cares about Tim, but to her, it means giving him ''opportunities'' to live in comfort and well-connected, failing to understand Tim just wants his ''mom''.
Changed line(s) 147 (click to see context) from:
to:
* SelfMadeWoman
Changed line(s) 169,170 (click to see context) from:
* MysteriousParents
to:
* MysteriousParents
MysteriousParent
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
* CallingParentsByTheirName: He showcases how resentful he is towards Bruce by refering to him as "Wayne", but later softens and upgrades to "Bruce". He also does this with Catherine after learning he was adopted and how.
Changed line(s) 113,114 (click to see context) from:
The butler to the Wayne family, and prime witness to their DyfunctionJunction.
to:
The butler to the Wayne family, and prime witness to their DyfunctionJunction.
DysfunctionJunction.
Added DiffLines:
[[/folder]]
!!Other relatives
[[folder:Catherine Todd]]
Jason's mother, who did her best to raise him until her realization her best wasn't enough. More than meets the eye.
!!Tropes:
* BrokenPedestal
* IllGirl
* ParentsAsPeople
* NotQuiteTheRightThing
* WhiteAndGrayMorality
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Janet Drake]]
Nominally, she's Tim's mother. In practice, she remembers having a son mainly when convenient for her.
!!Tropes:
* BecomingTheMask
* EvilCounterpart
* ParentsAsPeople
* RagsToRiches
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Jack Drake]]
Janet's new husband and Tim's stepfather.
!!Tropes:
* AbsentMindedProfessor
* FlatCharacter
* WhatDoesSheSeeInHim
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Sheila Haywood]]
Jason's ''actual'' mother.
!!Tropes:
* AbusiveParents
* MissingMom
* MorallyAmbiguousDoctorate
* MysteriousParents
[[/folder]]
!!Affiliates
[[folder:Roy Harper -- Speedy]]
One of Dick's best friends. He hides quite the secrets.
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Clark Kent -- Superman]]
!!Other relatives
[[folder:Catherine Todd]]
Jason's mother, who did her best to raise him until her realization her best wasn't enough. More than meets the eye.
!!Tropes:
* BrokenPedestal
* IllGirl
* ParentsAsPeople
* NotQuiteTheRightThing
* WhiteAndGrayMorality
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Janet Drake]]
Nominally, she's Tim's mother. In practice, she remembers having a son mainly when convenient for her.
!!Tropes:
* BecomingTheMask
* EvilCounterpart
* ParentsAsPeople
* RagsToRiches
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Jack Drake]]
Janet's new husband and Tim's stepfather.
!!Tropes:
* AbsentMindedProfessor
* FlatCharacter
* WhatDoesSheSeeInHim
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Sheila Haywood]]
Jason's ''actual'' mother.
!!Tropes:
* AbusiveParents
* MissingMom
* MorallyAmbiguousDoctorate
* MysteriousParents
[[/folder]]
!!Affiliates
[[folder:Roy Harper -- Speedy]]
One of Dick's best friends. He hides quite the secrets.
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Clark Kent -- Superman]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
* AdultFear:
** Right after he introduced his newest brother to his best friend, said brother told him Roy had been a drug addict for a while.
** Robin almost jumped to the roof when he stumbled on his kid brothers wandering through Gotham at one in the morning instead of being safely in their beds, because Jason wanted to see his mom and didn't trust his own family to let him.
** Right after he introduced his newest brother to his best friend, said brother told him Roy had been a drug addict for a while.
** Robin almost jumped to the roof when he stumbled on his kid brothers wandering through Gotham at one in the morning instead of being safely in their beds, because Jason wanted to see his mom and didn't trust his own family to let him.
Changed line(s) 66 (click to see context) from:
* FollowInMyFootsteps: Noting how concerned Jason is over Gotham's downtrodden, Bruce introduces him to Wayne Enterprises' charity side and later proudly boats of his son inheriting his grandmother's kindness.
to:
* FollowInMyFootsteps: Noting how concerned Jason is over Gotham's downtrodden, Bruce introduces him to Wayne Enterprises' charity side and later proudly boats boasts of his son inheriting his grandmother's kindness.
* BewareTheQuietOnes: Since Tim tends to not make waves, Bruce and Dick assume he's alright and a perfectly innocent little lamb. Said little lamb is actually ''very'' insecure regarding his family's love for him, thinks "privacy" is only a word and goes traipsing through Gotham at night.
* ParentalNeglect: A huge victim of it.
* SecretSecretKeeper: He's perfectly aware of his father and eldest brother's extralegal activities, and is waiting for them to trust him with the truth.
* ShelteredAristocrat: In spite of running across Gotham at night, Tim hasn't really understood how nasty the world can be. It makes for a nasty surprise when he decides to explore Crime Alley on his own.
* SecretSecretKeeper: He's perfectly aware of his father and eldest brother's extralegal activities, and is waiting for them to trust him with the truth.
* ShelteredAristocrat: In spite of running across Gotham at night, Tim hasn't really understood how nasty the world can be. It makes for a nasty surprise when he decides to explore Crime Alley on his own.
Changed line(s) 106 (click to see context) from:
to:
The butler to the Wayne family, and prime witness to their DyfunctionJunction.
!!Tropes:
* CoolOldGuy: Jason only needs a few minutes to peg him as this.
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: Alfred isn't only taking butler duties, he's also the designated cook, cleaner, driver and confidante.
!!Tropes:
* CoolOldGuy: Jason only needs a few minutes to peg him as this.
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: Alfred isn't only taking butler duties, he's also the designated cook, cleaner, driver and confidante.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
[[folder:In General]]
Gotham's first family, the Waynes have been around since the founding of the city and have played a key part in its development since then. However, after the deaths of Thomas and Martha Wayne, their son Bruce Wayne dedicated the rest of his life to fighting crime, eventually planting the seeds for the Bat-Family, Gotham City's mysterious vigilante protectors.
!!Tropes:
* BigScrewedUpFamily: They wouldn't be the Bat-Family otherwise. The only difference is that they're now biologically related.
* InTheBlood: All of Bruce's son inherited something from him, regardless of whether or not he was a part of their lives.
** Dick has his sense of justice. He also inherited his father's acting abilities, hence why he managed to adapt to high society so quickly.
** Jason has his ControlFreak tendencies, but also his compassion and love for Gotham City. In fact, despite his abrasive personality, Jason is likely the most compassionate member of the family due to his experiences living in Crime Alley.
** Tim is a genius like him. While all the boys inherited Bruce's intelligence to enough of a degree to count as above average, Tim is explicitly the only one that is ''smarter'' than Bruce.
** Damian has his martial prowess, though that is also partially due to being raised by the League of Assassins.
** Finally, all four boys have his temper, though they express it different ways.
* OldMoney: The Waynes are an old, distinguished family, who were wealthy from the outset and have grown only wealthier since then.
* RelatedInTheAdaptation: The Bat-Family is now blood family. While they does fix some issues they canonically have, it also causes ''many'' others.
[[/folder]]
Gotham's first family, the Waynes have been around since the founding of the city and have played a key part in its development since then. However, after the deaths of Thomas and Martha Wayne, their son Bruce Wayne dedicated the rest of his life to fighting crime, eventually planting the seeds for the Bat-Family, Gotham City's mysterious vigilante protectors.
!!Tropes:
* BigScrewedUpFamily: They wouldn't be the Bat-Family otherwise. The only difference is that they're now biologically related.
* InTheBlood: All of Bruce's son inherited something from him, regardless of whether or not he was a part of their lives.
** Dick has his sense of justice. He also inherited his father's acting abilities, hence why he managed to adapt to high society so quickly.
** Jason has his ControlFreak tendencies, but also his compassion and love for Gotham City. In fact, despite his abrasive personality, Jason is likely the most compassionate member of the family due to his experiences living in Crime Alley.
** Tim is a genius like him. While all the boys inherited Bruce's intelligence to enough of a degree to count as above average, Tim is explicitly the only one that is ''smarter'' than Bruce.
** Damian has his martial prowess, though that is also partially due to being raised by the League of Assassins.
** Finally, all four boys have his temper, though they express it different ways.
* OldMoney: The Waynes are an old, distinguished family, who were wealthy from the outset and have grown only wealthier since then.
* RelatedInTheAdaptation: The Bat-Family is now blood family. While they does fix some issues they canonically have, it also causes ''many'' others.
[[/folder]]
Changed line(s) 11 (click to see context) from:
* AllGirlsWantBadBoys: A gender inversion. Three of his four children's mothers are flat-out nasty - Janet is so ambitious she basically forgot empathy, Talia is a master assassin, and Sheila threw out her own baby without even contacting the proper authorities.
to:
* AllGirlsWantBadBoys: A gender inversion. Three of his four children's mothers are flat-out nasty - -- Janet is so ambitious she basically forgot empathy, Talia is a master assassin, and Sheila threw out her own baby without even contacting the proper authorities.authorities. To be fair to Bruce, the only one of them he was serious about was Talia, and despite her occupation, she had a better temperament than all of them.
Changed line(s) 14,15 (click to see context) from:
* ReallyGetsAround: None of his four sons were from a spouse, and of the four, Talia was the only one Bruce was serious about. While Bruce did have relationships with Mary Grayson and Janet Drake, they were short flings at best. Sheila Haywood (Jason's biological mother) was an outright one night stand.
* SoProudOfYou: Clark reveals Bruce is outright ''gushing'' about Jason's kindness and smartness to his friends. Jason himself feels embarrassed.
* SoProudOfYou: Clark reveals Bruce is outright ''gushing'' about Jason's kindness and smartness to his friends. Jason himself feels embarrassed.
to:
* ReallyGetsAround: ReallyGetsAround:
** None of his four sons were from a spouse, and of the four, Talia was the only one Bruce was serious about. While Bruce did have relationships with Mary Grayson and Janet Drake, they were short flings at best. Sheila Haywood (Jason's biological mother) was an outright one night stand.
** This is a major plot point during the subplot leading to Jason learning that he isn't Catherine Todd's biological son. While Bruce does get around, he also makes sure to keep track of all the people he's slept with. One of them reasons why Catherine kept Jason away from him is because he would know that he never slept with Catherine, and could bring her up on charges for kidnapping.
* SoProudOfYou: Clark reveals Bruce is outright ''gushing'' about Jason's kindness andsmartness intelligence to his friends. Jason himself feels embarrassed.
** None of his four sons were from a spouse, and of the four, Talia was the only one Bruce was serious about. While Bruce did have relationships with Mary Grayson and Janet Drake, they were short flings at best. Sheila Haywood (Jason's biological mother) was an outright one night stand.
** This is a major plot point during the subplot leading to Jason learning that he isn't Catherine Todd's biological son. While Bruce does get around, he also makes sure to keep track of all the people he's slept with. One of them reasons why Catherine kept Jason away from him is because he would know that he never slept with Catherine, and could bring her up on charges for kidnapping.
* SoProudOfYou: Clark reveals Bruce is outright ''gushing'' about Jason's kindness and
* AwfulTruth: Finding out that Catherine Todd ''isn't'' his biological mother, and that his actual one, Sheila Haywood, abandoned him.
Changed line(s) 63 (click to see context) from:
* StalkingIsLove: Tim spends his nights spying on his father and eldest brother hitting criminals.
to:
* StalkingIsLove: StalkingIsLove:
** Tim spends his nights spying on his father and eldest brother hittingcriminals.criminals.
** Rather than just trying to talk to Jason, he tries to understand his newest brother better by stealing his clothes and visiting Crime Alley, the place where Jason grew up.
** Tim spends his nights spying on his father and eldest brother hitting
** Rather than just trying to talk to Jason, he tries to understand his newest brother better by stealing his clothes and visiting Crime Alley, the place where Jason grew up.
Changed line(s) 71,72 (click to see context) from:
The youngest son of Bruce Wayne, born from a night he spent with Talia al Ghul, one of the only women Bruce has ever truly loved.
to:
The youngest son of Bruce Wayne, born from a night he spent with Talia al Ghul, one of the only women Bruce has ever truly loved. \n He first appears in a side story and has yet to do so in the main story.
Changed line(s) 75 (click to see context) from:
* RelatedInTheAdaptation: In the comicbooks canon, Damian heavily insisted upon the fact he was Batman's ''only'' biological son. Here, he's gonna have to contend with ''three'' older brothers.
to:
* RelatedInTheAdaptation: In the comicbooks comic book canon, Damian heavily insisted upon the fact he was Batman's ''only'' biological son. Here, he's gonna have to contend with ''three'' older brothers.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
* SoProudOfYou: Clark reveals Bruce is outright ''gushing'' about Jason's kindness and smartness to his friends. Jason himself feels embarrassed.
* CircusBrat: He was mainly raised by his acrobat mother within Haly's Circus until she was murdered, then the courts decided to place him with his father.
Changed line(s) 28 (click to see context) from:
* FollowIntoMyFootsteps: He really wants to adopt the vigilante lifetime full-time. Bruce isn't so hot about it.
to:
* FollowIntoMyFootsteps: EmbarrassingNickname: What Jason thinks of him going by ''Dick'' instead of Richard.
* FollowInMyFootsteps: He really wants to adopt the vigilante lifetime full-time. Bruce isn't so hot about it.
* FollowInMyFootsteps: He really wants to adopt the vigilante lifetime full-time. Bruce isn't so hot about it.
Changed line(s) 42 (click to see context) from:
* FollowIntoMyFootsteps: Noting how concerned Jason is over Gotham's downtrodden, Bruce introduces him to Wayne Enterprises' charity side and later proudly boats of his son inheriting his grandmother's kindness.
to:
* FollowIntoMyFootsteps: FollowInMyFootsteps: Noting how concerned Jason is over Gotham's downtrodden, Bruce introduces him to Wayne Enterprises' charity side and later proudly boats of his son inheriting his grandmother's kindness.kindness.
* LockedOutOfTheLoop: He's currently unaware of his family's vigilante hobby.
* LockedOutOfTheLoop: He's currently unaware of his family's vigilante hobby.
Added DiffLines:
* NiceToTheWaiter: The first member of the Wayne family he connects with is Alfred, and he constantly worries about the butler working too much.
Added DiffLines:
* AnnoyingYoungerSibling: Jason certainly thinks he's exasperating at times, and he enjoys trolling Dick.
Added DiffLines:
* RelatedInTheAdaptation: In the comicbooks canon, Damian heavily insisted upon the fact he was Batman's ''only'' biological son. Here, he's gonna have to contend with ''three'' older brothers.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 55,56 (click to see context) from:
to:
* MissingMom: Janet is constantly travelling the world and acting as if she never had a child at all.
* StalkingIsLove: Tim spends his nights spying on his father and eldest brother hitting criminals.
* WellDoneSonGuy: He ''knows'' Janet really isn't a good parent, but he's still on the verge of crying when she demonstrates she will never properly love him.
Changed line(s) 63,65 (click to see context) from:
!!
to:
* TheBabyOfTheBunch
* SpoiledBrat: Yes, Damian, you ''have'' to travel with the commoners. No, you can't ask for a private jet at the last minute.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* AllGirlsWantBadBoys: A gender inversion. Three of his four children's mothers are flat-out nasty - Janet is so ambitious she basically forgot empathy, Talia is a master assassin, and Sheila threw out her own baby without even contacting the proper authorities.
Added DiffLines:
* BewareTheNiceOnes: Dick is a serial smiler, but he sometimes explodes into a towering fury. Generally, that's because his father's an ass.
Added DiffLines:
* FollowIntoMyFootsteps: He really wants to adopt the vigilante lifetime full-time. Bruce isn't so hot about it.
Added DiffLines:
* FollowIntoMyFootsteps: Noting how concerned Jason is over Gotham's downtrodden, Bruce introduces him to Wayne Enterprises' charity side and later proudly boats of his son inheriting his grandmother's kindness.
* MissingMom: Twice! Catherine decided to give him to his birth father because she was too sick and addicted to properly care for a child, and Sheila outright dumped him into a hotel room when he was a newborn and never came back.
* ObliviousAdoption: Poor boy was completely floored and horrified to learn Catherine Todd wasn't his birth mother.
* OneNightStandPregnancy: How he was conceived.
* MissingMom: Twice! Catherine decided to give him to his birth father because she was too sick and addicted to properly care for a child, and Sheila outright dumped him into a hotel room when he was a newborn and never came back.
* ObliviousAdoption: Poor boy was completely floored and horrified to learn Catherine Todd wasn't his birth mother.
* OneNightStandPregnancy: How he was conceived.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 7,8 (click to see context) from:
to:
!!Tropes
* DaddyHadAGoodReasonForAbandoningYou: Bruce didn't even know Jason ''existed'' due to Catherine deliberately hiding the boy from him. Understandably, when Bruce finds out, he's furious.
* ParentsAsPeople: He loves his children with all his heart and soul but has a hard time connecting with them due to his lack of social skills and utter devotion to his mission.
* ReallyGetsAround: None of his four sons were from a spouse, and of the four, Talia was the only one Bruce was serious about. While Bruce did have relationships with Mary Grayson and Janet Drake, they were short flings at best. Sheila Haywood (Jason's biological mother) was an outright one night stand.
* WellDoneDadGuy: To Jason. Jason's refusal to acknowledge him as his father and overall belligerence clearly distresses Bruce, who is desperate to earn his middle son's affection after losing out on the first thirteen years of his life.
Changed line(s) 13 (click to see context) from:
to:
The eldest son of Bruce Wayne, born from his brief relationship with circus acrobat Mary Grayson. Dick knew all his life that Bruce was his father, but didn't start living with him until his mother's death at age six. Presently, he serves as Batman's sidekick, Robin.
!!Tropes:
* CoolBigBro: To Jason and Tim.
* LikesOlderWomen: And older women ''very much'' like him back, much to Jason's discomfort.
* NotSoDifferent: With Jason. Like his younger brother, Dick didn't have a privileged background, having grown up in a circus alongside his mother with occasional visits from Bruce. After Mary's death, he had a hard time adjusting to high society and only managed due to his natural talent as a performer.
* SpoiledBrat: Subverted. While he does like to play up the "spoiled rich kid" image, Dick is actually very down to earth and likable, having no issues befriending a hooker that lives in Jason's old building.
!!Tropes:
* CoolBigBro: To Jason and Tim.
* LikesOlderWomen: And older women ''very much'' like him back, much to Jason's discomfort.
* NotSoDifferent: With Jason. Like his younger brother, Dick didn't have a privileged background, having grown up in a circus alongside his mother with occasional visits from Bruce. After Mary's death, he had a hard time adjusting to high society and only managed due to his natural talent as a performer.
* SpoiledBrat: Subverted. While he does like to play up the "spoiled rich kid" image, Dick is actually very down to earth and likable, having no issues befriending a hooker that lives in Jason's old building.
Changed line(s) 18,19 (click to see context) from:
to:
!!Tropes:
* RagsToRiches: He went from a Crime Alley kid just barely making ends meet to the second son of one of the richest men in the world.
Changed line(s) 24,25 (click to see context) from:
to:
!!Tropes:
Changed line(s) 30 (click to see context) from:
to:
The youngest son of Bruce Wayne, born from a night he spent with Talia al Ghul, one of the only women Bruce has ever truly loved.
!!
!!
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 11,13 (click to see context) from:
[[folder:Richard "Dick" Grayson-Wayne]]
to:
[[folder:Richard "Dick" Grayson-Wayne]]
Grayson-Wayne -- Robin]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
[[foldercontrol]]
!!The Waynes
[[folder:Bruce Wayne -- Batman]]
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Richard "Dick" Grayson-Wayne]]
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Jason Todd-Wayne]]
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Timothy "Tim" Drake-Wayne]]
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Damian Wayne]]
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Alfred Pennyworth]]
[[/folder]]
!!The Waynes
[[folder:Bruce Wayne -- Batman]]
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Richard "Dick" Grayson-Wayne]]
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Jason Todd-Wayne]]
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Timothy "Tim" Drake-Wayne]]
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Damian Wayne]]
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Alfred Pennyworth]]
[[/folder]]
