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Some tropers have something [[Administrivia/PleaseNoNatter to add here]].
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Natter doesn't always have to be in extra paragraphs. See {{Parabombing}} for another form it takes.
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Natter doesn't always have to be in extra paragraphs. See {{Parabombing}} for another form it takes.
Sometimes the comment is put between parentheses and dropped into the middle of a paragraph, which is just as undesirable.
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A strong sign that you're indulging in Natter would be if your edits contain Administrivia/WordCruft ("actually", "what really happened was"), or any Admnistrivia/FirstPersonWriting. Another sign is that you're adding a [[Administrivia/ExampleIndentationInTropeLists third-level (or deeper) bullet]] to an existing example. See also Administrivia/SignalToNoiseTrainWreck.
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A strong sign that you're indulging in Natter would be if your edits contain Administrivia/WordCruft ("actually", "what really happened was"), or any Admnistrivia/FirstPersonWriting.Administrivia/FirstPersonWriting. Another sign is that you're adding a [[Administrivia/ExampleIndentationInTropeLists third-level (or deeper) bullet]] to an existing example. See also Administrivia/SignalToNoiseTrainWreck.
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A strong sign that you're indulging in Natter would be if your edits contain Administrivia/WordCruft ("actually", "what really happened was"), or anything involving "I" or ThisTroper. Another sign is that you're adding a [[Administrivia/ExampleIndentationInTropeLists third-level (or deeper) bullet]] to an existing example. See also Administrivia/SignalToNoiseTrainWreck.
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A strong sign that you're indulging in Natter would be if your edits contain Administrivia/WordCruft ("actually", "what really happened was"), or anything involving "I" or ThisTroper.any Admnistrivia/FirstPersonWriting. Another sign is that you're adding a [[Administrivia/ExampleIndentationInTropeLists third-level (or deeper) bullet]] to an existing example. See also Administrivia/SignalToNoiseTrainWreck.
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Wait a minute. If there's a change to be made, [[Administrivia/RepairDontRespond you should be making a change]]. And if there's discussion to be done... shouldn't that go on the discussion page? This is especially bad to do in a "This X has examples of:" list, as it ruins the readability of the list. If not kept in check, this can lead to [[ThreadMode entries becoming more like forum threads]]. And if that's the case, shouldn't you Administrivia/TakeItToTheForums instead?
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Wait a minute. If there's a change to be made, [[Administrivia/RepairDontRespond you should be making a change]]. And if there's discussion to be done... shouldn't that go on the discussion page? This is especially bad to do in a "This X has examples of:" list, as it ruins the readability of the list. If not kept in check, this can lead to [[ThreadMode [[Administrivia/ThreadMode entries becoming more like forum threads]]. And if that's the case, shouldn't you Administrivia/TakeItToTheForums instead?
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A strong sign that you're indulging in Natter would be if your edits contain WordCruft ("actually", "what really happened was"), or anything involving "I" or ThisTroper. Another sign is that you're adding a [[Administrivia/ExampleIndentationInTropeLists third-level (or deeper) bullet]] to an existing example. See also Administrivia/SignalToNoiseTrainWreck.
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A strong sign that you're indulging in Natter would be if your edits contain WordCruft Administrivia/WordCruft ("actually", "what really happened was"), or anything involving "I" or ThisTroper. Another sign is that you're adding a [[Administrivia/ExampleIndentationInTropeLists third-level (or deeper) bullet]] to an existing example. See also Administrivia/SignalToNoiseTrainWreck.
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Natter doesn't always have to be in extra paragraphs. See {{Parabomber}} for another form it takes.
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Natter doesn't always have to be in extra paragraphs. See {{Parabomber}} {{Parabombing}} for another form it takes.
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This kind of thing is also informally referred to as "natter". Mind you, this is okay in supplements that are made for it, like {{Headscratchers}} pages. It's just not okay in our actual articles. See Administrivia/AboutRhetoricalQuestions for info on one of the causes of conversation in the main page. Another frequent cause is the use of YMMV items -- this is one of the big reasons why we keep them separated on the [[YMMV/HomePage YMMV pages]].
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This kind of thing is also informally referred to as "natter". Mind you, this is okay in supplements that are made for it, like {{Headscratchers}} [[Headscratchers/HomePage Headscratchers]] pages. It's just not okay in our actual articles. See Administrivia/AboutRhetoricalQuestions for info on one of the causes of conversation in the main page. Another frequent cause is the use of YMMV items -- this is one of the big reasons why we keep them separated on the [[YMMV/HomePage YMMV pages]].
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A strong sign that you're indulging in Natter would be if your edits contain WordCruft ("actually", "what really happened was"), or anything involving "I" or ThisTroper. Another sign is that you're adding a [[Administrivia/ExampleIndentationInTropeLists third-level (or deeper) bullet]] to an existing example. See also SignalToNoiseTrainWreck.
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A strong sign that you're indulging in Natter would be if your edits contain WordCruft ("actually", "what really happened was"), or anything involving "I" or ThisTroper. Another sign is that you're adding a [[Administrivia/ExampleIndentationInTropeLists third-level (or deeper) bullet]] to an existing example. See also SignalToNoiseTrainWreck.
Administrivia/SignalToNoiseTrainWreck.
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If you come across natter, either move it to the discussion page or just delete it. Ask for help [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=zybsujciv8eflkwsxjrf908h here]] if you don't feel like doing this. Your help cleaning up the mess will be appreciated. Also, there's a function in the page history entries which lets you send a message [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/natter_notify.php?t=Troper&a=Namespace.PageTitle&d=date%20at%20time based on this one]] to the offending troper; in this case, "natter" is the message to use.
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If you come across natter, either move it to the discussion page or just delete it. Ask for help [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=zybsujciv8eflkwsxjrf908h here]] if you don't feel like doing this. Your help cleaning up the mess will be appreciated. Also, there's a function in the page history entries which lets you send a message [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/natter_notify.php?t=Troper&a=Namespace.PageTitle&d=date%20at%20time org/pmwiki/issue_helper.php?t=ATroper&a=Literature.SeptimusHeap based on this one]] to the offending troper; in this case, "natter" is the message to use.
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If you come across natter, either move it to the discussion page or just delete it. Ask for help [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=zybsujciv8eflkwsxjrf908h here]] if you don't feel like doing this. Your help cleaning up the mess will be appreciated. Also, click the "natter-fy" button to send a message [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/natter_notify.php?t=Troper&a=Namespace.PageTitle&d=date%20at%20time based on this one]] to the offending troper.
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If you come across natter, either move it to the discussion page or just delete it. Ask for help [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=zybsujciv8eflkwsxjrf908h here]] if you don't feel like doing this. Your help cleaning up the mess will be appreciated. Also, click there's a function in the "natter-fy" button to page history entries which lets you send a message [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/natter_notify.php?t=Troper&a=Namespace.PageTitle&d=date%20at%20time based on this one]] to the offending troper.
troper; in this case, "natter" is the message to use.
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->''On the Internet, you can identify a geek in the throes of an accuracy attack by his signature cry of, 'Um, actually?'. The 'Um' is usually added (and yes, written in) in a feeble attempt to not make it appear that the geek is being condescending, when 99% of the time that is exactly what he's doing. Another phrase you're likely to hear is, 'you forgot', the point of which is the unstated, 'but I didn't!'''
--->--[[http://stuffgeekslove.wordpress.com/2009/02/10/accuracy/ Stuff Geeks Love]]
--->--[[http://stuffgeekslove.wordpress.com/2009/02/10/accuracy/ Stuff Geeks Love]]
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--->--[[http://stuffgeekslove.wordpress.com/2009/02/10/accuracy/ Stuff Geeks Love]]
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-->''On the Internet, you can identify a geek in the throes of an accuracy attack by his signature cry of, 'Um, actually?'. The 'Um' is usually added (and yes, written in) in a feeble attempt to not make it appear that the geek is being condescending, when 99% of the time that is exactly what he's doing. Another phrase you're likely to hear is, 'you forgot', the point of which is the unstated, 'but I didn't!'''
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Some tropers have something [[PleaseNoNatter [[Administrivia/PleaseNoNatter to add here]].
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This kind of thing is also informally referred to as "{{Natter}}". Mind you, this is okay in supplements that are made for it, like {{Headscratchers}} pages. It's just not okay in our actual articles. See Administrivia/AboutRhetoricalQuestions for info on one of the causes of conversation in the main page. Another frequent cause is the use of YMMV items -- this is one of the big reasons why we keep them separated on the [[YMMV/HomePage YMMV pages]].
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This kind of thing is also informally referred to as "{{Natter}}"."natter". Mind you, this is okay in supplements that are made for it, like {{Headscratchers}} pages. It's just not okay in our actual articles. See Administrivia/AboutRhetoricalQuestions for info on one of the causes of conversation in the main page. Another frequent cause is the use of YMMV items -- this is one of the big reasons why we keep them separated on the [[YMMV/HomePage YMMV pages]].
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Wait a minute. If there's a change to be made, [[Administrivia/RepairDontRespond you should be making a change]]. And if there's discussion to be done... shouldn't that go on the discussion page? This is especially bad to do in a "This X has examples of:" list, as it ruins the readability of the list. If not kept in check, this can lead to [[ThreadMode entries becoming more like forum threads]]. And if that's the case, shouldn't you TakeItToTheForums instead?
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This kind of thing is also informally referred to as "{{Natter}}". Mind you, this is okay in supplements that are made for it, like ItJustBugsMe. It's just not okay in our actual articles. See Administrivia/AboutRhetoricalQuestions for info on one of the causes of conversation in the main page. Another frequent cause is the use of YMMV items -- this is one of the big reasons why we keep them separated on the [[YMMV/HomePage YMMV pages]].
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This kind of thing is also informally referred to as "{{Natter}}". Mind you, this is okay in supplements that are made for it, like ItJustBugsMe.{{Headscratchers}} pages. It's just not okay in our actual articles. See Administrivia/AboutRhetoricalQuestions for info on one of the causes of conversation in the main page. Another frequent cause is the use of YMMV items -- this is one of the big reasons why we keep them separated on the [[YMMV/HomePage YMMV pages]].
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A strong sign that you're indulging in Natter would be if your edits contain WordCruft ("actually", "what really happened was"), or anything involving "I" or ThisTroper. Another sign is that you're adding a [[HowToUseBulletPoints third-level (or deeper) bullet]] to an existing example. See also SignalToNoiseTrainWreck.
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A strong sign that you're indulging in Natter would be if your edits contain WordCruft ("actually", "what really happened was"), or anything involving "I" or ThisTroper. Another sign is that you're adding a [[HowToUseBulletPoints [[Administrivia/ExampleIndentationInTropeLists third-level (or deeper) bullet]] to an existing example. See also SignalToNoiseTrainWreck.
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-->''On the Internet, you can identify a geek in the throes of an accuracy attack by his signature cry of, 'Um, actually?'. The 'Um' is usually added (and yes, written in) in a feeble attempt to not make it appear that the geek is being condescending, when 99% of the time that is exactly what he's doing. Another phrase you're likely to hear is, 'you forgot', the point of which is the unstated, 'but I didn't!'''
--->--[[http://stuffgeekslove.wordpress.com/2009/02/10/accuracy/ Stuff Geeks Love]]
-->''Our articles and example lists are not a chatroom, forum, or your blog.''
You're in the middle of reading an interesting article. But what's this? Something's wrong with one of the examples! Either it's incorrect in some factual particular, or there's something the original writer obviously didn't consider, or perhaps it's just not a good idea to have it on the page at all. So you click the edit button, and write underneath, "Actually, the way it ''should'' be is..."
Wait a minute. If there's a change to be made, [[Administrivia/RepairDontRespond you should be making a change]]. And if there's discussion to be done... shouldn't that go on the discussion page? This is especially bad to do in a "This X has examples of:" list, as it ruins the readability of the list. If not kept in check, this can lead to [[ThreadMode entries becoming more like forum threads]]. And if that's the case, shouldn't you TakeItToTheForums instead?
This kind of thing is also informally referred to as "{{Natter}}". Mind you, this is okay in supplements that are made for it, like ItJustBugsMe. It's just not okay in our actual articles. See Administrivia/AboutRhetoricalQuestions for info on one of the causes of conversation in the main page. Another frequent cause is the use of YMMV items -- this is one of the big reasons why we keep them separated on the [[YMMV/HomePage YMMV pages]].
A strong sign that you're indulging in Natter would be if your edits contain WordCruft ("actually", "what really happened was"), or anything involving "I" or ThisTroper. Another sign is that you're adding a [[HowToUseBulletPoints third-level (or deeper) bullet]] to an existing example. See also SignalToNoiseTrainWreck.
If you come across natter, either move it to the discussion page or just delete it. Ask for help [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=zybsujciv8eflkwsxjrf908h here]] if you don't feel like doing this. Your help cleaning up the mess will be appreciated. Also, click the "natter-fy" button to send a message [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/natter_notify.php?t=Troper&a=Namespace.PageTitle&d=date%20at%20time based on this one]] to the offending troper.
Some tropers have something [[PleaseNoNatter to add here]].
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-->''Our articles and example lists are not a chatroom, forum, or your blog.''
You're in the middle of reading an interesting article. But what's this? Something's wrong with one of the examples! Either it's incorrect in some factual particular, or there's something the original writer obviously didn't consider, or perhaps it's just not a good idea to have it on the page at all. So you click the edit button, and write underneath, "Actually, the way it ''should'' be is..."
Wait a minute. If there's a change to be made, [[Administrivia/RepairDontRespond you should be making a change]]. And if there's discussion to be done... shouldn't that go on the discussion page? This is especially bad to do in a "This X has examples of:" list, as it ruins the readability of the list. If not kept in check, this can lead to [[ThreadMode entries becoming more like forum threads]]. And if that's the case, shouldn't you TakeItToTheForums instead?
This kind of thing is also informally referred to as "{{Natter}}". Mind you, this is okay in supplements that are made for it, like ItJustBugsMe. It's just not okay in our actual articles. See Administrivia/AboutRhetoricalQuestions for info on one of the causes of conversation in the main page. Another frequent cause is the use of YMMV items -- this is one of the big reasons why we keep them separated on the [[YMMV/HomePage YMMV pages]].
A strong sign that you're indulging in Natter would be if your edits contain WordCruft ("actually", "what really happened was"), or anything involving "I" or ThisTroper. Another sign is that you're adding a [[HowToUseBulletPoints third-level (or deeper) bullet]] to an existing example. See also SignalToNoiseTrainWreck.
If you come across natter, either move it to the discussion page or just delete it. Ask for help [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=zybsujciv8eflkwsxjrf908h here]] if you don't feel like doing this. Your help cleaning up the mess will be appreciated. Also, click the "natter-fy" button to send a message [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/natter_notify.php?t=Troper&a=Namespace.PageTitle&d=date%20at%20time based on this one]] to the offending troper.
Some tropers have something [[PleaseNoNatter to add here]].
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