This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
Working Title: NEW LISTS!!!11: From YKTTW
CAD: Some guidelines.
- To make this list easier to utilize, please append a (brief, concise, and good) summary of the trope to each entry. If readers want to know more, they can always click the link. I can't write summaries for all the tropes, but I'll start on them. You can find the list of some recommended tropes for this page by checking the YKTTW discussion right above me.
- Don't add wiki-links to summaries unless it is not necessary to visit the linked page in order to understand the concept. Spell out the concepts here instead.
- Add both parent and subtropes to the list if both are sufficiently significant and/or popular.
- Don't add index pages to the list, only tropes. Some tropes look like index pages because of all their Sub Tropes, but those are okay.
Janitor: The additional line between each bullet worked for me, in this special case. It seems like these need to pop off the page a little more than the usual items we have in lists.
CAD: I agree.
CAD: Removed:
- The Wesley: The Scrappy + Mary Sue and/or Author Avatar.
- X-Pac Heat: Instead of hating Wesley Crusher, you hate Wil Wheaton.
These summaries should be clarified before being re-added, check the guidelines.
Also, if a trope is added that, in your opinion, shouldn't be nominated for this page, feel free to voice your opinion.
Lord TNK: Or how about running by a few? I'd like to put up Wild Mass Guessing and Fetish Fuel, but do you think they are well known and discussed enough?
Tanto: Nominate Made Of Win, Crowning Moment Of Awesome, and Crowning Moment Of Heartwarming for removal. "Lists of stuff tropers like" isn't really a core trope.
CAD: Yeah, and by the same token, Complaining About Shows You Dont Like, which is actually a relatively young page and not really a "trope" either, just a guideline.
Lord TNK: Complaining About Shows You Dont Like may be a guideline, but it's used often enough on the ykttw, that I think it's legendary enough. The point of this page isn't about "core" tropes, but about the most well known tropes. That's how the description seems to put it.
Tanto: It occurs to me that we could probably name this "Trope Legend" and it would still make sense...
Janitor: These two ...
- Adaptation Distillation: When a story has some of its more annoying and unnecessary elements removed or altered in the course of an adaptation or update.
- Pragmatic Adaptation: When either of the above is mandated by the fact that you lack the time or money to go into said elements.
Seriously. There has to be some criteria.
Shay Guy: Is there any way of making a map of the site? Compile all the data about which pages link to which in one database (it'd have to be marked "as of XX/XX/200X," of course) and use some kind of application to map the whole network all out?
Janitor: Word Wicks Report is a product of that sort of thing. A full network map is — obviously — something that could be done. You are right that it would have to be run on a different set of hardware than we live on and would take a while to generate.
Luc: Just as a note: I added Justifying Edit to the list, even though it lacks many wicks, since it is a definite Wiki Trope here. The second or third level (depending on whether an item is a list or not) of stars is virtually guaranteed to be a Justifying Edit of some kind. (And I speak as one who has made a few of them.)
Midonin: Putting Hilarity Ensues on the list. It has about 400 wicks, and is an essential element of many TV shows. As well as an oft-quoted trope.
Luc: I'm going to add Exactly What It Says on the Tin; while it lacks as many Wicks as is recommended, it has a definite YKTTW following, probably sufficient to push it over the top.
The description for Phlebotinum reminds me more of Hand Wave than anything else - and Applied Phlebotinum only has a really vague "something magical that moves the plot forward". From the way it's used around the site, it's something like a plot device that uses magic/technology/something that requires Willing Suspension of Disbelief to work.
We should try to put together a better description. Any ideas?
bluefireglow: I nominate Bowdlerize, because I've seen it referenced in non-TV Tropes situations. Also, it's one of those tropes that most people are familiar with.
Seth: I am proud to discover after being absent/woodwork for over a year now, i still know every entry in this list.
Jhiday: Maybe we should add Status Quo Is God ? 300+ wicks, and a concept that seems omnipresent on the wiki to me.
- Spectrum: I second that.
Why is this Just for Fun? Shouldn't this be on Wiki Tropes, or something? This is an important page for newbies.
I think Dis Continuity belongs here: well over 300 wicks, and a number of sub/sistertropes.
Black Humor: I'm gonna add I Am Not Making This Up, nearly 1100 wicks now. Granted, a lot of those are idiots using it as a generic intensifier, but I'd guess it would have 300 even if you removed all those. (And of course, "very strange things" is a pretty important trope)
Dragon Quest Z: I want to ask before putting this up. Pretty in Mink has over 300 wicks, but I made many of them myself. Now I didn't just cram them in. It took months of looking at pages like a normal troper, and when I saw an appropriate page, I put a wick in (or making the occasional work page that happened to have it, since someone had to make those). So it was Entry Pimping, but only in the most patient and careful sense. So is that enough to make it a trope of legend, or does it need more recognition from the site?
- I'll cautiously assume it's the latter, but who knows?
Dragon Quest Z: You Gotta Have Blue Hair. Over 300 wicks, and it's one of the most prevalent tropes in anime and games, and has a strong presence in comics.
The Pink Ninja: Should "Two Word Trope" be in wiki talk?
Big bad nerd: Why is They Fight Crime! not listed here? About a zillion shows have that premise.
BBN, 2 days later: Broke down and added it.
SpiriTsunami: Although the number of still-active wicks has dropped well below 300 thanks to the poorly-executed purge, there is no denying that a trope so overused that it had to be deleted is "legendary"—perhaps even more so, since it now exists only in our memories. IANMTU was therefore re-added under wiki talk, with the wick linking to the still-active discussion page (which remains an informative place to learn about the trope.)
insofar: Seems like Complete Monster ought to be on here. Even if the removal of subjectivity made it less applicable, it's still very popular (not to mention full of controversy).
Major Tom: Re: the Egregious removal of Egregious. If you go by the tally on the TTWDG it has over 1100 wicks. Granted most of them are potholed to TTWDG instead of Egregious. Besides it is legendary as the description was accurate. It really is the average troper's favorite word.
- Egregious doesn't even have 150 wicks by itself. If there's a meme in the making, fine. But it's not quite there yet.
Prfnoff: Removed TV Tropes Wiki Drinking Game, as I am gradually changing most potholes into links to Egregious, which now has 248 wicks and climbing.
Floating Root Beer: Adding Buffy Speak. Over 300 wicks, and I see it way too often on this site.
*Why is this Just For Fun? Shouldn't this be on Wiki Tropes, or something? This is an important page for newbies. — Seconding this. — Thirded. It's the main page I point my friends to when introducing them to the site, because I've heard complaints in the past about how they don't understand anything on this site when they first enter.
Call to Adventure should be on this list even though it only has 130 wicks. It's certainly "legendary" and one of those very basic tropes to any fantasy or video game story. I think people are just forgetting to wick it because it's so basic. Additionally, a lot of the wicks are dispersed between its couple dozen subtropes.
I just counted. Call to Adventure has a total of 1195 wicks, when you count it and all its subtropes. Definitely a Trope of Legend. Added an entry, a better writer please revise the description.
