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matteste
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07:04:04 AM Jun 30th 2014
I ain't really sure of this one but does NieR count as a tragedy?
TrickyDick42
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11:33:17 AM Aug 4th 2013
Is it really correct to say that Tragedy is a dying genre? Pretty much every critically acclaimed cable drama of the past ten years (The Sopranos, Breaking Bad, Mad Men, Boardwalk Empire, and to a lesser extent, The Wire) has been a Classical Tragedy.
KorKhan
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04:24:46 AM Mar 9th 2013
Heavily abridged a natter-filled entry. Here is the original version, for reference.

  • William Shakespeare wrote quite a few: Macbeth, Hamlet, Othello, King Lear, and Titus Andronicus (just to name a few). Romeo and Juliet, though commonly labeled as one, isn't actually a tragedy per se, as the ultimate unhappy ending comes as a result of bad luck, not any particular character's flaw.
    • No character flaws? Romeo was a teenage boy who had just broken up with a girl who he chased into chastity with his obsessive love, when he met 13-year-old Juliet, who needed to pick a husband soon by her mother's pressure. The entire point of the play is the folly of rushed love and rushed action.
    • Of course, the ending probably could have been prevented if the titular characters were not quite so impulsive, especially Romeo committing suicide right after Juliet's supposed death before thinking things through. Even if she was dead, life still goes on.
      • But then would the play have been half as interesting or merely pointless?
        • It's not so much a question of whether his lack of flaws would make the play interesting. A Tragedy isn't a Tragedy if its tragic hero doesn't have a tragic flaw. Romeo's was his impulsiveness. His immediate love for Juliet, and immediately wanting to marry her and being willing to die for her drives the whole story of the play. And his impulsive murder of Tybalt for killing Mercutio leads to his downfall in his banishment. He even comes close to killing himself in front of Friar Lawrence when he hears this news. And then, of course, his suicide when he's heard Juliet is dead. Had he waited even a day to think about things, he would've been spared his and Juliet's death and they would've lived happily in Mantua. While the play does have the message of not being able to escape fate and tragic coincidence, Romeo drives the story through being brash and impulsive, his fatal flaw.
    • Romeo and Juliet is often classified a tragicomedy or a problem play, because, while it has a tragic conclusion, it more closely follows the comedic form.
SaltyWaffles
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02:43:32 PM Dec 17th 2011
How is tragedy solely about the fall of a great man? A vast majority of tragedies in real life are about the suffering of innocent people due to natural disasters or the actions of other people.
KorKhan
07:01:48 AM Mar 23rd 2013
edited by KorKhan
I think you are confusing "tragedy" in the narrower sense of the literary genre with the more common modern usage of the term as "something really sad". Classical tragedy, by its nature, involves the downfall of a person through their own flaws and mistakes. Often, the character in question will be a male aristocrat, since the "fall" in his case will be greater and more pronounced. The character need not be a sympathetic one, nor must his downfall be seen as a Downer Ending (cf. Macbeth).

Only later did it come to mean any story with a sad ending and, by extension, unfortunate events in real life.
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