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FYI: \\\'\\\'WHIT\\\'\\\'man, not \\\'\\\'WHITE\\\'\\\'man. Just one letter, but it makes a difference.
Roth is not a MightyWhitey. Have you actually \\\'\\\'read\\\'\\\' the page definition? \\\"Mighty Whitey is usually a displaced white European, of noble descent, who ends up living with native tribespeople and not only learns their ways but also becomes their greatest warrior/leader/representative.\\\" You could have made him black, Latin, Arab, Indian, Asian, \\\'\\\'whatever\\\'\\\' and it wouldn\\\'t have changed his core character and purpose in the game a bit: He\\\'s the toughest, most experienced and capable member of the crew, but is disabled right from the moment you catch up to him. In fact the \\\'\\\'only\\\'\\\' people whose races were directly linked to their characterization was Jonah with his Maori spirituality, and Sam\\\'s Japanese ancestry connecting her to Himiko. Reyes, Alex, Mathias or Whitman could all easily have been another race and not changed who they were one bit.
Regarding {{Stupid Sacrifice}}s:
If you look at the situation where Grim is killed, Lara had several guns trained on her, no cover, and no clean shot on a guy standing behind Grim with a \\\'\\\'machete\\\'\\\' at his throat. By the time Grim breaks free he\\\'s now mixed up with the mooks, once again giving Lara no shot that didn\\\'t have a \\\'\\\'huge\\\'\\\' risk of hitting him instead (contrast Roth covering Lara on the bridge: Lara herself is well out of the line of fire underneath the bridge while Roth is picking off the mooks standing on it).
The only real stupidity about Alex was the LoveMakesYouStupid that got him \\\'\\\'into\\\'\\\' the situation in the first place. By the time Lara gets to him there\\\'s no way to get him out again. He\\\'s trapped, his leg is probably crushed and he can\\\'t walk, and they\\\'ve got Solarii breathing down their necks.
Roth\\\'s death was somewhat badly handled, but once again consider the situation: Outnumbered, no real cover, and trying to get Lara (who\\\'s hurt from the helicopter crash and not able to fight back herself) out of the line of fire.
Also, and OriginStory by its very nature brings characters down to normal. The plot of the game would have made no sense if Lara began as the gun-toting ActionGirl from the original game. The point of the story is to show \\\'\\\'how\\\'\\\' she became that character. You\\\'d get the exact same situation if you did an origin story of Allan Quartermain, Rick O\\\'Connell, or Indiana Jones (in fact they did that last one. It was called the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles, and young Indy was nowhere near the badass he becomes by the time of the movies). People aren\\\'t \\\'\\\'born\\\'\\\' badasses (usually). They\\\'re experiences \\\'\\\'make\\\'\\\' them badass. So how is it sexist and Chickification to turn an ActionGirl into a normal person in order to tell the story of \\\'\\\'how\\\'\\\' they became the ActionGirl in the first place? You\\\'re only calling it sexist because Lara is a female character, and that\\\'s a \\\'\\\'major\\\'\\\' sign of PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad.
Your \\\'\\\'entire\\\'\\\' argument smacks of this, and that\\\'s why it needs more support than \\\"This Troper.\\\"
Roth is not a MightyWhitey. Have you actually \\\'\\\'read\\\'\\\' the page definition? \\\"Mighty Whitey is usually a displaced white European, of noble descent, who ends up living with native tribespeople and not only learns their ways but also becomes their greatest warrior/leader/representative.\\\" You could have made him black, Latin, Arab, Indian, Asian, \\\'\\\'whatever\\\'\\\' and it wouldn\\\'t have changed his core character and purpose in the game a bit: He\\\'s the toughest, most experienced and capable member of the crew, but is disabled right from the moment you catch up to him. In fact the \\\'\\\'only\\\'\\\' people whose races were directly linked to their characterization was Jonah with his Maori spirituality, and Sam\\\'s Japanese ancestry connecting her to Himiko. Reyes, Alex, Mathias or Whitman could all easily have been another race and not changed who they were one bit.
Regarding {{Stupid Sacrifice}}s:
If you look at the situation where Grim is killed, Lara had several guns trained on her, no cover, and no clean shot on a guy standing behind Grim with a \\\'\\\'machete\\\'\\\' at his throat. By the time Grim breaks free he\\\'s now mixed up with the mooks, once again giving Lara no shot that didn\\\'t have a \\\'\\\'huge\\\'\\\' risk of hitting him instead (contrast Roth covering Lara on the bridge: Lara herself is well out of the line of fire underneath the bridge while Roth is picking off the mooks standing on it).
The only real stupidity about Alex was the LoveMakesYouStupid that got him \\\'\\\'into\\\'\\\' the situation in the first place. By the time Lara gets to him there\\\'s no way to get him out again. He\\\'s trapped, his leg is probably crushed and he can\\\'t walk, and they\\\'ve got Solarii breathing down their necks.
Roth\\\'s death was somewhat badly handled, but once again consider the situation: Outnumbered, no real cover, and trying to get Lara (who\\\'s hurt from the helicopter crash and not able to fight back herself) out of the line of fire.
Also, and OriginStory by its very nature brings characters down to normal. The plot of the game would have made no sense if Lara began as the gun-toting ActionGirl from the original game. The point of the story is to show \\\'\\\'how\\\'\\\' she became that character. You\\\'d get the exact same situation if you did an origin story of Allan Quartermain, Rick O\\\'Connell, or Indiana Jones (in fact they did that last one. It was called the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles, and young Indy was nowhere near the badass he becomes by the time of the movies). People aren\\\'t \\\'\\\'born\\\'\\\' badasses (usually). They\\\'re experiences \\\'\\\'make\\\'\\\' them badass. So how is it sexist and Chickification to turn an ActionGirl into a normal person in order to tell the story of \\\'\\\'how\\\'\\\' they became the ActionGirl in the first place? You\\\'re only calling it sexist because Lara is a female character, and that\\\'s a \\\'\\\'major\\\'\\\' sign of PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad.
Your \\\'\\\'entire\\\'\\\' argument smacks of this, and that\\\'s why it needs more support than \\\"This Troper.\\\"
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FYI: \\\'\\\'WHIT\\\'\\\'man, not \\\'\\\'WHITE\\\'\\\'man. Just one letter, but it makes a difference.
Roth is not a MightyWhitey. Have you actually \\\'\\\'read\\\'\\\' the page definition? \\\"Mighty Whitey is usually a displaced white European, of noble descent, who ends up living with native tribespeople and not only learns their ways but also becomes their greatest warrior/leader/representative.\\\" You could have made him black, Latin, Arab, Indian, Asian, \\\'\\\'whatever\\\'\\\' and it wouldn\\\'t have changed his core character and purpose in the game a bit: He\\\'s the toughest, most experienced and capable member of the crew, but is disabled right from the moment you catch up to him. In fact the \\\'\\\'only\\\'\\\' people whose races were directly linked to their characterization was Jonah with his Maori spirituality, and Sam\\\'s Japanese ancestry connecting her to Himiko. Reyes, Alex, Mathias or Whitman could all easily have been another race and not changed who they were one bit.
Regarding {{Stupid Sacrifice}}s:
If you look at the situation where Grim is killed, Lara had several guns trained on her, no cover, and no clean shot on a guy standing behind Grim with a \\\'\\\'machete\\\'\\\' at his throat. By the time Grim breaks free he\\\'s now mixed up with the mooks, once again giving Lara no shot that didn\\\'t have a \\\'\\\'huge\\\'\\\' risk of hitting him instead (contrast Roth covering Lara on the bridge: Lara herself is well out of the line of fire underneath the bridge while Roth is picking off the mooks standing on it).
The only real stupidity about Alex was the LoveMakeYouStupid that got him \\\'\\\'into\\\'\\\' the situation in the first place. By the time Lara gets to him there\\\'s no way to get him out again. He\\\'s trapped, his leg is probably crushed and he can\\\'t walk, and they\\\'ve got Solarii breathing down their necks.
Roth\\\'s death was somewhat badly handled, but once again consider the situation: Outnumbered, no real cover, and trying to get Lara (who\\\'s hurt from the helicopter crash and not able to fight back herself) out of the line of fire.
Also, and OriginStory by its very nature brings characters down to normal. The plot of the game would have made no sense if Lara began as the gun-toting ActionGirl from the original game. The point of the story is to show \\\'\\\'how\\\'\\\' she became that character. You\\\'d get the exact same situation if you did an origin story of Allan Quartermain, Rick O\\\'Connell, or Indiana Jones (in fact they did that last one. It was called the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles, and young Indy was nowhere near the badass he becomes by the time of the movies). People aren\\\'t \\\'\\\'born\\\'\\\' badasses (usually). They\\\'re experiences \\\'\\\'make\\\'\\\' them badass. So how is it sexist and Chickification to turn an ActionGirl into a normal person in order to tell the story of \\\'\\\'how\\\'\\\' they became the ActionGirl in the first place? You\\\'re only calling it sexist because Lara is a female character, and that\\\'s a \\\'\\\'major\\\'\\\' sign of PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad.
Your \\\'\\\'entire\\\'\\\' argument smacks of this, and that\\\'s why it needs more support than \\\"This Troper.\\\"
Roth is not a MightyWhitey. Have you actually \\\'\\\'read\\\'\\\' the page definition? \\\"Mighty Whitey is usually a displaced white European, of noble descent, who ends up living with native tribespeople and not only learns their ways but also becomes their greatest warrior/leader/representative.\\\" You could have made him black, Latin, Arab, Indian, Asian, \\\'\\\'whatever\\\'\\\' and it wouldn\\\'t have changed his core character and purpose in the game a bit: He\\\'s the toughest, most experienced and capable member of the crew, but is disabled right from the moment you catch up to him. In fact the \\\'\\\'only\\\'\\\' people whose races were directly linked to their characterization was Jonah with his Maori spirituality, and Sam\\\'s Japanese ancestry connecting her to Himiko. Reyes, Alex, Mathias or Whitman could all easily have been another race and not changed who they were one bit.
Regarding {{Stupid Sacrifice}}s:
If you look at the situation where Grim is killed, Lara had several guns trained on her, no cover, and no clean shot on a guy standing behind Grim with a \\\'\\\'machete\\\'\\\' at his throat. By the time Grim breaks free he\\\'s now mixed up with the mooks, once again giving Lara no shot that didn\\\'t have a \\\'\\\'huge\\\'\\\' risk of hitting him instead (contrast Roth covering Lara on the bridge: Lara herself is well out of the line of fire underneath the bridge while Roth is picking off the mooks standing on it).
The only real stupidity about Alex was the LoveMakeYouStupid that got him \\\'\\\'into\\\'\\\' the situation in the first place. By the time Lara gets to him there\\\'s no way to get him out again. He\\\'s trapped, his leg is probably crushed and he can\\\'t walk, and they\\\'ve got Solarii breathing down their necks.
Roth\\\'s death was somewhat badly handled, but once again consider the situation: Outnumbered, no real cover, and trying to get Lara (who\\\'s hurt from the helicopter crash and not able to fight back herself) out of the line of fire.
Also, and OriginStory by its very nature brings characters down to normal. The plot of the game would have made no sense if Lara began as the gun-toting ActionGirl from the original game. The point of the story is to show \\\'\\\'how\\\'\\\' she became that character. You\\\'d get the exact same situation if you did an origin story of Allan Quartermain, Rick O\\\'Connell, or Indiana Jones (in fact they did that last one. It was called the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles, and young Indy was nowhere near the badass he becomes by the time of the movies). People aren\\\'t \\\'\\\'born\\\'\\\' badasses (usually). They\\\'re experiences \\\'\\\'make\\\'\\\' them badass. So how is it sexist and Chickification to turn an ActionGirl into a normal person in order to tell the story of \\\'\\\'how\\\'\\\' they became the ActionGirl in the first place? You\\\'re only calling it sexist because Lara is a female character, and that\\\'s a \\\'\\\'major\\\'\\\' sign of PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad.
Your \\\'\\\'entire\\\'\\\' argument smacks of this, and that\\\'s why it needs more support than \\\"This Troper.\\\"
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FYI: \\\'\\\'WHIT\\\'\\\'man, not \\\'\\\'WHITE\\\'\\\'man. Just one letter, but it makes a difference.
Roth is not a MightyWhitey. Have you actually \\\'\\\'read\\\'\\\' the page definition? \\\"Mighty Whitey is usually a displaced white European, of noble descent, who ends up living with native tribespeople and not only learns their ways but also becomes their greatest warrior/leader/representative.\\\" You could have made him black, Latin, Arab, Indian, Asian, \\\'\\\'whatever\\\'\\\' and it wouldn\\\'t have changed his core character and purpose in the game a bit: He\\\'s the toughest, most experienced and capable member of the crew, but is disabled right from the moment you catch up to him. In fact the \\\'\\\'only\\\'\\\' people whose races were directly linked to their characterization was Jonah with his Maori spirituality, and Sam\\\'s Japanese ancestry connecting her to Himiko. Reyes, Alex, Mathias or Whitman could all easily have been another race and not changed who they were one bit.
Regarding StupidSacrifices:
If you look at the situation where Grim is killed, Lara had several guns trained on her, no cover, and no clean shot on a guy standing behind Grim with a \\\'\\\'machete\\\'\\\' at his throat. By the time Grim breaks free he\\\'s now mixed up with the mooks, once again giving Lara no shot that didn\\\'t have a \\\'\\\'huge\\\'\\\' risk of hitting him instead (contrast Roth covering Lara on the bridge: Lara herself is well out of the line of fire underneath the bridge while Roth is picking off the mooks standing on it).
The only real stupidity about Alex was the LoveMakeYouStupid that got him \\\'\\\'into\\\'\\\' the situation in the first place. By the time Lara gets to him there\\\'s no way to get him out again. He\\\'s trapped, his leg is probably crushed and he can\\\'t walk, and they\\\'ve got Solarii breathing down their necks.
Roth\\\'s death was somewhat badly handled, but once again consider the situation: Outnumbered, no real cover, and trying to get Lara (who\\\'s hurt from the helicopter crash and not able to fight back herself) out of the line of fire.
Also, and OriginStory by its very nature brings characters down to normal. The plot of the game would have made no sense if Lara began as the gun-toting ActionGirl from the original game. The point of the story is to show \\\'\\\'how\\\'\\\' she became that character. You\\\'d get the exact same situation if you did an origin story of Allan Quartermain, Rick O\\\'Connell, or Indiana Jones (in fact they did that last one. It was called the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles, and young Indy was nowhere near the badass he becomes by the time of the movies). People aren\\\'t \\\'\\\'born\\\'\\\' badasses (usually). They\\\'re experiences \\\'\\\'make\\\'\\\' them badass. So how is it sexist and Chickification to turn an ActionGirl into a normal person in order to tell the story of \\\'\\\'how\\\'\\\' they became the ActionGirl in the first place? You\\\'re only calling it sexist because Lara is a female character, and that\\\'s a \\\'\\\'major\\\'\\\' sign of PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad.
Your \\\'\\\'entire\\\'\\\' argument smacks of this, and that\\\'s why it needs more support than \\\"This Troper.\\\"
Roth is not a MightyWhitey. Have you actually \\\'\\\'read\\\'\\\' the page definition? \\\"Mighty Whitey is usually a displaced white European, of noble descent, who ends up living with native tribespeople and not only learns their ways but also becomes their greatest warrior/leader/representative.\\\" You could have made him black, Latin, Arab, Indian, Asian, \\\'\\\'whatever\\\'\\\' and it wouldn\\\'t have changed his core character and purpose in the game a bit: He\\\'s the toughest, most experienced and capable member of the crew, but is disabled right from the moment you catch up to him. In fact the \\\'\\\'only\\\'\\\' people whose races were directly linked to their characterization was Jonah with his Maori spirituality, and Sam\\\'s Japanese ancestry connecting her to Himiko. Reyes, Alex, Mathias or Whitman could all easily have been another race and not changed who they were one bit.
Regarding StupidSacrifices:
If you look at the situation where Grim is killed, Lara had several guns trained on her, no cover, and no clean shot on a guy standing behind Grim with a \\\'\\\'machete\\\'\\\' at his throat. By the time Grim breaks free he\\\'s now mixed up with the mooks, once again giving Lara no shot that didn\\\'t have a \\\'\\\'huge\\\'\\\' risk of hitting him instead (contrast Roth covering Lara on the bridge: Lara herself is well out of the line of fire underneath the bridge while Roth is picking off the mooks standing on it).
The only real stupidity about Alex was the LoveMakeYouStupid that got him \\\'\\\'into\\\'\\\' the situation in the first place. By the time Lara gets to him there\\\'s no way to get him out again. He\\\'s trapped, his leg is probably crushed and he can\\\'t walk, and they\\\'ve got Solarii breathing down their necks.
Roth\\\'s death was somewhat badly handled, but once again consider the situation: Outnumbered, no real cover, and trying to get Lara (who\\\'s hurt from the helicopter crash and not able to fight back herself) out of the line of fire.
Also, and OriginStory by its very nature brings characters down to normal. The plot of the game would have made no sense if Lara began as the gun-toting ActionGirl from the original game. The point of the story is to show \\\'\\\'how\\\'\\\' she became that character. You\\\'d get the exact same situation if you did an origin story of Allan Quartermain, Rick O\\\'Connell, or Indiana Jones (in fact they did that last one. It was called the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles, and young Indy was nowhere near the badass he becomes by the time of the movies). People aren\\\'t \\\'\\\'born\\\'\\\' badasses (usually). They\\\'re experiences \\\'\\\'make\\\'\\\' them badass. So how is it sexist and Chickification to turn an ActionGirl into a normal person in order to tell the story of \\\'\\\'how\\\'\\\' they became the ActionGirl in the first place? You\\\'re only calling it sexist because Lara is a female character, and that\\\'s a \\\'\\\'major\\\'\\\' sign of PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad.
Your \\\'\\\'entire\\\'\\\' argument smacks of this, and that\\\'s why it needs more support than \\\"This Troper.\\\"
