Literature Anne Of Green Gables Discussion

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06:13:24 AM Jun 6th 2013
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Do you think we could separate the Sullivan miniseries from this page, move them over to Film/AnneOfGreenGables? Besides, this page is explicitly "Literature." The Sullivan stuff should really be moved over to "Series."

In addition, we're reaching the point where the mainspace page should be used for disambiguation, as there have been many film adaptations of Anne, the theatrical musicals, an anime, a PBS cartoon, and so forth.
07:00:32 AM May 23rd 2011
Does Slap-Slap-Kiss really apply? As famous as the slate-cracking scene is, he teased her all of once on the first day that they meant each other, apologized at the first chance he got after she hit him and he realized how badly she'd taken the joke, and then she spent the next four years pretending that she didn't notice he existed until they finally became friends.
03:08:47 PM Mar 9th 2011
I think the four TV movies produced between 1985 and 2008 (I didn't realize there was a fourth either until recently) should have their own page or at least subsection, since they introduced their own tropes. The fact only the first film can be seen to be a close adaptation of the source material (the rest being increasingly original stories) I think justifies splitting the movies into their own. Thoughts?
10:55:22 AM Apr 11th 2011
I like that idea, but that's just me, so...
06:31:22 PM Apr 22nd 2011
I agree - the movies merit a separate page if only to differentiate them from the novels, so yes, I support the idea. :)
10:23:00 PM Dec 11th 2010
edited by CrystalBlue
After just reviving my Anne of Green Gables adoration all over again after watching the Kevin Sullivan movie and rereading my novels (again), I have just noticed that not only do Anne and Gilbert's relationship have Slap-Slap-Kiss as its underlying flavor, there is quite a bit of Just Friends in it as well, especially if you read over Anne of Avonlea and "Anne of the Island'' where the trope pops up for half of the novel, until Anne finally comes to her senses when she realizes she might lose Gilbert forever.

I'm a bit wary of putting Just Friends on the main title page as of yet though, if only because, well, I've just fully understood that Anne & Gilbert's relationship is fairly complex - especially if it can ultimately use both of those tropes! So, what do you other tropers say?
07:04:42 AM Dec 12th 2010
I think you'd be on solid ground to add both. It's really not all that complicated; their relationship doesn't use both tropes at the same time, but in sequence. Anne first matures enough to forgive childhood grudges and become friends with Gilbert... then gets stuck in that mode for two books, having still to mature past her search for a 'Prince Charming'-esque romantic hero.
02:48:13 PM Dec 12th 2010
Yes, that was what I've noticed after getting back into the books again, it's exactly like you mentioned, Shoebox. :)

Thing is, Slap-Slap-Kiss is already on the main entry page, but I think the description for it feels a little... lacking: [[(Anne and Gilbert started out this way. Only it was more like Taunt Taunt CRACK A SLATE OVER HEAD.)]] That's what is on the main title page, but I think it needs a bit of clean-up, as I have looked over the books and noticed that Anne/Gilbert's Slap-Slap-Kiss is an undercurrent in the first book mainly (with all their school rivalries) but that isn't mentioned in the description on the page.

I do like though how it leaves room to simply add Just Friends in and mention that the tropes "work in sequel" with each other for Anne of Avonlea and Anne of the Island.
05:48:54 PM Dec 7th 2010
Would Rilla and Kenneth really count as a May–December Romance? There's only about seven or eight years' difference between them, since Kenneth is younger than Jem.
08:26:55 PM Dec 7th 2010
edited by CrystalBlue
May–December Romance is a trope that can have age gaps as small as seven to eight (or five at times) or ten years, so yes, I think Rilla and Ken counts as this trope, and having just reread Rilla of Ingleside, the age difference is a Discussed trope at the beginning, as Rilla ponders her attraction to Ken despite the fact that he is much older than she is (and in the earlier books, she is rather is awe of him as a young girl).
06:44:33 PM Nov 4th 2010
edited by Shoebox
Removed this from the Mary Sue example. Rebutting in some detail, as this is something that comes up a lot in these pages:

  • Anne IS one. Tall, slender and beautiful; intelligent yet selflessly gives up her education to help others, then through a Deus ex Machina (Hurrah! Rachel Lynde's husband is dead!) gets to go to college after all; is ceaselessly worshipped and followed by all of her friends, most of whom have no individual personality whatsoever; spends several years being pursued by a guy to whom she has never said a nice word then realises that she IS in love with him after all; is the perfect mother to her ridiculously huge number of children, all of whom turn out perfect and precious themselves...I think the words 'SUE SUE SUE' are a little bit redundant at this point.

1)As is discussed further down the examples, Anne is not universally considered a beauty in the context of the novel. In that time and place red hair and a tall, thin figure would've more often been considered actual physical flaws.

2)Anne temporarily gives up her education to stay with the woman who's raised her for the last decade (after the death of the woman's brother, whom Anne likewise adored) and help her keep the ancestral home they both love. Her selflessness is, at least, not unexpected.

3)spends several years being pursued by a guy to whom she has never said a nice word then realises that she IS in love with him after all; Nope. There's a long period of good friendship in between those two extremes.

4)is ceaselessly worshipped and followed by all of her friends, most of whom have no individual personality whatsoever; Nope. Except for, I'll grant you, Anne of Avonlea, which was considered even by the author the worst book in the series.

5)is the perfect mother to her ridiculously huge number of children, all of whom turn out perfect and precious themselves... Six kids isn't a 'ridiculously huge' number, and they aren't by any means 'perfect and precious'. The perfect mom thing is largely a function of Anne not having very much role at all to play in the latter books; when we do get an extended glimpse of her in the role it's to show her as snappish, anxious and jealous because she's convinced her husband has fallen out of love with her.
05:57:34 PM Dec 7th 2010
Her children all have their own flaws, too—they're hardly 'perfect or precious'. The only one who comes closest to Montgomery's ideals of perfection is Walter, and look what happened to him.

Anne's portrayal in Anne of Ingleside—and many of the unhappier elements of the plot—actually wind up something of a Tear Jerker when you consider that it was the last book L.M. Montgomery wrote before she committed suicide at the age of 67. Given how upbeat and optimistic the rest of the books are, it's almost a case of Creator Breakdown.
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