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KoolKoopaGirl
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12:00:00 PM Jan 2nd 2018
Itís like people have forgotten this exists. When are we coming back to it?
Bladist
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05:25:50 PM Oct 5th 2011
Haven't made much contribution in several months; just checking in so you all know I'm not quite done with the Bronze Age yet. Being grounded stinks DX.

Anyway, I've got four new story arcs lined up, and I'll post them as soon as I have access to a computer. I also want to add additional sections for the spin-offs to the main page.

Nice idea with the Catboy stuff.
SlayerOfFanfics
08:24:52 PM Jan 5th 2012
Just added in a couple of character for the Catgirl Time Travel arc, which I hope was okay - although I included bits about the PPC in their backstory, so I'm really hoping I didn't just eff the fourth wall.
JCCyC
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07:49:28 PM Sep 6th 2011
Added two new elements: The Yabetarip Collective and Nova Sambango. I hope I didn't break anything.
Koveras
10:22:16 PM Sep 6th 2011
Nah, it's cool, feel free to add more. Just remember that despite "Worst Case Scenario" being all over the page, the arc is actually concluded—that caused some confusion. ^^;
Bladist
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11:13:07 AM Apr 5th 2011
Fourth-Wall is up (the arc, not the wall itself. That's still as broken as hell).

As for the track records, add as much as you want, to whoever you like. I just put up as much as I could think of.
Bladist
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04:21:15 PM Apr 1st 2011
IMAO (In My Awesome Opinion), TV Tropes The Webcomic should appear in the Memetic Mutations.

I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE IT WOULD GO.

Would it be under Webcomics? Tv Tropes? Make a new section for Meta? Specific Memes?

So! Many! Choices!
Koveras
12:44:53 AM Apr 2nd 2011
Which memes are we talking about? It would be easier to decide if you had a list...
Bladist
07:41:09 AM Apr 2nd 2011
The memes for the comic are sitting under the YMMV section.

As for where TV Tropes The Webcomic would fall under in the Memetic Mutation section, I have no idea into which of the "memes by medium" category it could best be put.
Bladist
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11:31:58 AM Mar 31st 2011
The whole "Invoking / Invocation" thing is meant to play on the Invoked Trope um...trope. Besides, the other half of wei ki isn't straight magic anymore.
Koveras
11:53:18 PM Mar 31st 2011
I know what it is supposed to play on. :) Is there a problem? ^^
Bladist
07:40:02 AM Apr 1st 2011
edited by Bladist
I...I'm not sure anymore. I can't remember what I found wrong when I wrote this. Maybe I was thinking that Invocation being a play on Invoked Tropes might be lost on the really dense readers.

After reading Seorin's LP of Tsukihime, this can easily become an actual possibility.

Also, I had a weird idea to make a Liveblog LP of Etrian Odyssey 3 with characters from the webcomic, and then post it as the next arc (after Fourth Wall Mail Slot, of course.) Opinions?
Koveras
08:56:23 AM Apr 1st 2011
I have no idea what LP or Etrian Odyssey 3 is. :D
Bladist
09:11:29 AM Apr 1st 2011
The former is short for Let's Play, and the latter is the third game in the Etrian Odyssey series.
Koveras
12:57:20 PM Apr 1st 2011
Still no idea. ^^
Bladist
01:11:11 PM Apr 1st 2011
Didya click the links? ^_^U

Let's Plays are where someone plays a game, makes a record of what they do, what goes on, and the events in the game, and posts that online. Essentially, it's somebody playing the game and telling other people what goes on.

Etrian Odyssey is a game series by ATLUS. It involves some form of Labyrinth (or in the case of the second game, a tree with a labyrinth inside) that is apparently full of untold riches, and adventurers flock to them in hopes of laying claim to these riches. However, being an RPG, there are monsters inside the labyrinth to impede your path and give you experience; being an Atlus game, these monsters are ungodly hard; and being a dungeon crawler, these monsters remain this way for the entire game. You play as the leader of a guild (that you get to name) and lead your band of adventurers (whose names you also get to choose, as well as their classes) to these riches and (hopefully) survive through near-certain death.

Also, if your feigning that you have no idea what I'm talking about is an April Fools' joke, you got me. If not...well, you still got me.
Koveras
01:32:54 PM Apr 1st 2011
No, actually, it wasn't a joke. I really didn't know any of this. But hey, if you want to do another arc, go ahead.
Bladist
06:50:22 AM Apr 4th 2011
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You still got me.

EDIT: Liveblog is up now. Check it here
Bladist
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04:57:07 PM Mar 14th 2011
Dude, you killed off Gabe. Gabe's dead, and Axel's siding with the bad guys. I'm hoping this isn't permanent.
Koveras
12:32:23 AM Mar 15th 2011
edited by Koveras
I killed off the comic's original protagonist, too, in case you didn't notice. :3 But this arc isn't over yet. =)
Bladist
01:39:14 PM Mar 15th 2011
No, it's just, killing off Gabe debunked a theory I had going about Worst Case.

Also, it occurs to me that since you have Gabe getting eaten by Adbot, that Adbot would get some sort of ESD-induced indigestion from Gabe's Lightning.
Koveras
01:48:57 PM Mar 15th 2011
Gabe lost the Lightning, remember? ;)
Bladist
08:32:35 AM Mar 16th 2011
Gabe can't have lost the Lightning completely, because that would have killed him. Since Gabe was still alive after losing his powers, he had to have had some left, which he just could access (Psychosomatic, remember?). If any of the Eht-Ecas lose their powers completely, the end result is death (the same goes for Axel's earth and Brynn's light; if they use theirs all up, they die).

Puts a nice little limitation on Marty Stu-dom.
Koveras
10:28:23 AM Mar 16th 2011
Oh well, that's all Depending on the Writer. =)
Koveras
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12:34:32 AM Feb 26th 2011
Uhm, about Axel. I was actually planning to have him return at a later stage and your most recent edit totally messed up my plans...
Bladist
10:16:05 AM Feb 26th 2011
What were you gonna have him do?
Koveras
10:13:00 AM Feb 28th 2011
Return later during the final stages of the battle for the New Trope City.
Bladist
06:04:35 AM Mar 1st 2011
They can still do that. Or was Tnanmer somehow going to figure into that?

Y'know, Excluding the CMOA entry and Axel's Catch Phrase, I don't mind if you take those additions out if they interfere with what you had going.
Koveras
08:24:35 AM Mar 1st 2011
OK, I will resume updating later today. ^^
Bladist
06:28:39 AM Mar 8th 2011
Um...careful with what you do with Gabe. Unless you plan to reinstate the status quo at the end of the arc, I need Gabe alive and well (along with Axel and Brynn) for the next arc I have lined up.

"Well" is an operative term here; I need him alive and able, but I don't mind lopping off an arm or two (no legs, though, 'cause that would suck).
Koveras
08:42:00 AM Mar 8th 2011
Got you at the edge of your seat, huh? Good. :3
Bladist
09:39:29 AM Mar 8th 2011
Make the ending a good one, then. I don't wanna fall off because the drama got killed.
Koveras
10:06:00 AM Mar 8th 2011
That's the plan... One thing I can promise though: there will be major changes in the comic once I'm through with this arc. %)
Bladist
06:28:31 AM Mar 9th 2011
Hopefully it's not all of the darker sort. I've never been too good with Cerebus Syndrome.

Darn my idealism.
Koveras
07:12:05 AM Mar 9th 2011
Cerebus Syndrome doesn't have anything to do with idealism. :P More with comedy vs. drama...
Bladist
09:10:38 AM Mar 9th 2011
So then, I'm comedy and you're drama? Makes sense.

Idealism can figure into Cerebus Syndrome if your preferences of good things happening to good people and happy endings all around prevent you from killing off any central characters or turning things crapsack, like me.
Bladist
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11:13:48 AM Feb 12th 2011
Um...was there ever any doubt that Viel still exists within Report? I mean, yeah, he only shows up 3 times prior to Worst Case (in T3h L33t W4rz, in Ainaveltsac to smash a giant crab in the face with an elevator, and in Survivor: TV Tropes to hack Survivor Island), but he's still there.

Y'know, unless Report suffered a recent (and rather serious) head injury...
Koveras
02:58:45 PM Feb 12th 2011
No comment. :3
Bladist
10:02:40 AM Feb 15th 2011
Be sure to tell me straight-out when you're done with your new arc(s). I won't know or be able to figure it out otherwise.

Also, it occurs to me that when I established Viel I made his sole ability too powerful without setting limits. My bad.
Koveras
11:15:37 AM Feb 15th 2011
You have made almost all your characters too powerful, not just Viel. :D And no, writing them so on purpose is not a valid excuse. :P

And yeah, I'll tell you when I'm done.
Bladist
12:48:52 PM Feb 15th 2011
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I meant powerful even compared to my purposefully overpowered characters. He essentially has a version of the Sharingan that allows him to mimic even things that would exceed his physical limits. He's a Marty Stu among Marty Stus, and I felt I already had too much Marty Stu in the pot to begin with.
Koveras
01:35:59 PM Feb 15th 2011
Personally, I don't care what kind of powers anyone has, as long as they allow me to tell a story. :3
Koveras
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03:33:58 AM Feb 2nd 2011
Alright, I am beginning a new major story arc and it will probably take me two-three weeks to complete it. Please don't add new story arcs or developments until I am finished (I will post here again).
Bladist
04:04:57 PM Feb 3rd 2011
Awww, man, you started that arc from the teaser a lot earlier than I expected. I had hoped to at least have Flame Bait and Executive Meddling up, Cinam and Iris return, and Brynn killed off before that point, but I guess those can wait (possibly indefinitely).

'Less, of course, you're okay with me adding them after you're done. (Heads up: Executive Meddling is supposed to end with a massive Reset Button)
Koveras
10:40:23 PM Feb 3rd 2011
Well, you haven't updated for a week or so, so I decided that you were done... As for your arcs, you can add them after I am done... I hope. :3
Koveras
04:07:14 AM Feb 5th 2011
Just for the record: If I don't add any new tropes within the next week or two, consider that I've suffered an Author Existence Failure and "Worst Case Scenario" become an Aborted Arc.
Bladist
01:39:26 PM Feb 5th 2011
Actually, even if "Worst Case Scenario" does wind up an Aborted Arc (or doesn't turn out to be All Just a Dream or invoke Status Quo Is God at the end), it would provide the perfect set-up for "Executive Meddling" (and to be honest, a lot better than the one I came up with).
Koveras
02:59:38 PM Feb 5th 2011
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Well, as it turns out, I survived today so the arc will continue just as planned. ^^

EDIT: There won't be an update on Saturday because I am still trying to figure out the best way to get Retrope involved in the whole mess. I will try to be done tomorrow.
Bladist
07:29:37 AM Feb 21st 2011
Try not to kill off Brynn, Axel, or Gabe. They're integral to the next arc I have planned (especially Brynn).
Koveras
10:53:06 AM Feb 21st 2011
As if Report and Ere were not integral to any future arcs. :3
Koveras
10:41:26 AM Mar 20th 2011
Alright, I am officially done now. ^^ The "Worst Case Scenario" arc is over, you can start new ones now. It only took me one and a half months. :D

PS: Sorry for all the Schedule Slips. :(
Bladist
08:34:52 AM Mar 24th 2011
Turning Ere bisexual at the end of Worst Case is forcing me to rethink half of the arcs I had lined up, so it might be a bit before I resume updating.

Also, I'm planning an arc called "Fourth Wall Mail Slot" (I'm pretty sure the name is self-explanatory), but from you I need an "Author name" and which Age you were responsible for previously.
Koveras
12:02:59 PM Mar 24th 2011
Oh well, Ere has long had it coming. :P

And I am "Sarevok", the Silver Age guest author. :D
LesterCell
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01:51:21 PM Jan 6th 2011
Oh, so that explains it. I wondered why there were two webcomics about this website when just one would do the job. Turns out there is just one. If this work is imaginary, then shouldn't this at least be in the Darth Wiki or Sugar Wiki or Just For Fun sections or something? Or better yet, have the link to the comic redirect to the exact copy of the page outside the website proper. That way the trope page describes an extremely meta but real work.
Koveras
03:07:24 PM Jan 6th 2011
I am not sure what you mean. I am only aware of one TV Tropes The Webcomic—this one. Is there another?

About moving it to another namespace, I don't think so. Part of this project's appeal was its ambiguous meta-fictionality from day one, and moving it to another namespace would be a dead giveaway.

I am also not sure what you mean with "exact copy". Since this page is constantly updated, any external mirror would have to do so, too, and I don't see a point of doing the same updates twice. If you are talking about full-blown Defictionalization, however, then by all means, do. ^^
Bladist
11:04:03 AM Jan 8th 2011
Of course, said Defictionalization would require the artist(s) (not necessarily the authors) to be able to render several entire arcs in three different (but equally well-drawn) artistic styles.

Also, each "author" that's had a part of the webcomic's history would have to actually write out each arc they did. I'd be mostly fine with it (though since I shove a lot into the Bronze Age, I'd have a lot to write), but I can't speak for others.

Heh, I'd assume that anyone that tries to actually make this a comic would suffer Spontaneous Cranial Detonation Syndrome.
Bladist
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09:06:12 AM Jan 4th 2011
I'm surprised that something as big as this doesn't have CMOA, CMOF, or CMOH pages yet.

I'm gonna make some.
Koveras
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06:24:47 AM Dec 29th 2010
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I have an idea for a huge arc, but it's gonna include some pretty major changes, so I would like to wait until Bladist's current arcs are complete before I start it. Can you let me know when you are done with the current arcs?
Bladist
07:51:01 AM Dec 29th 2010
Define "current arcs".

I've still got some arcs planned, but not ones I'd need to tack directly onto what's currently up there.
Koveras
09:21:46 AM Dec 29th 2010
Well, you added the Christmas arc recently, for example. If you wanted to add some more tropes from them, I didn't want to get in your way. ^^
Bladist
09:05:05 AM Jan 4th 2011
Okay, I see what you did there. You neglected to mention Axel, though.
Koveras
01:16:33 PM Jan 4th 2011
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That wasn't the arc. It was just a teaser. It seems we have different ideas of what an arc is. When I write an arc, I don't just add it to the list and add a couple of tropes here and there. I write the complete story in form of tropes. And that usually takes several weeks, like a real webcomic arc usually does. :) That's why I wanted to make sure you finish all your arcs before I can move in and secure exclusive access to the storyline for a couple of months. Until I do, I'm not finished with this.

PS: And there is a reason Axel is not in that teaser, it will be explained later.
Bladist
06:57:39 AM Jan 5th 2011
Ah, cool. I just write as I go, no matter what I'm doing. It gets kinda problematic when I try to tackle a bunch of different things at once, though.

And hey, as long as Axel doesn't die or turn into the next Big Bad, I'm cool.
Koveras
07:07:00 AM Jan 5th 2011
Hehe. For now, I will cryptically ignore the two possibilities you've outlined for Axel. :3
Bladist
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09:10:33 AM Dec 21st 2010
"Late Bronze Age"? It's barely even the Middle Bronze Age! I just recently got the box introduced, and there's gonna be a lot more going into that! I'm on a roll, showin' no signs of stopping!

...But being deprived of a personal computer for the next month may slow things down a bit (I'd have to add stuff from a work computer like now.)
Koveras
10:22:45 AM Dec 21st 2010
You have no idea how long the "late stages of development" can actually last, so don't worry about the nomenclature. :D
Bladist
07:20:22 AM Dec 22nd 2010
Ah, sorry, I overreacted. I'm not quite a Grammar Nazi, but I still have a weakness to semantics; if something is worded in a way that I wouldn't if I had said it, I usually get confused.

That being said, I am planning on making a future arc a direct Castlevania parody (specifically, Dawn of Sorrow), but am considering breaking the "Sprite"-taboo—if only to get a few jokes out of it.
Koveras
07:39:03 AM Dec 22nd 2010
Hmmm. I guess it's OK to do it once but make sure that the characters Lampshade how horrible Sprite Webcomic format is and how it goes against everything the comic has stood for. :D
Bladist
08:00:42 AM Dec 22nd 2010
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I was also gonna have them get mad and storm off in different directions, leading to them each getting lost in a different part of the castle. As well as something about having to do sprite comics not being in the contract.
Koveras
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12:29:05 AM Nov 25th 2010
You know, by the common definition, the five most recent "arcs" (Old Demons, G-Corporation, The New Regnis, G.A.V.I.N., Gabriel: God of Lightning) are actually more like episodes of a single big arc because they all follow the same storyline of Gabe vs. A.V.I.N. I think you should lump them together, Bladist.
Bladist
06:58:08 AM Dec 6th 2010
Alright, then. Any suggestions on a title?
Koveras
07:05:09 AM Dec 6th 2010
Since it's mainly about G.A.V.I.N. why not just call it that? ^^
Koveras
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08:46:12 AM Sep 17th 2010
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I must admit, the new story arcs by Bladist are much better than I thought when the first ones got posted, though I still think that Gabe is ridiculously overpowered. :P

I also think that Gabe needs a permanent girlfriend (note: Retrope is off-limits). Well, maybe not a real girlfriend, considering his personality, but a woman who is actually special to him in a Ladykiller in Love way. I have an idea for an arc, but since I already retired from active writing, I need Bladist's permission to work with his character. ^^
Koveras
04:43:39 AM Sep 25th 2010
Well, it's been a week and no word, so I'll just go ahead. :P
Koveras
06:34:38 AM Sep 25th 2010
So, what do you think? ^^ I have another arc in mind, explaining the adventures of Retrope and Ere taking place simultaneously with Song For You...
Bladist
08:49:46 AM Dec 22nd 2010
Gabe was meant to be over-powered; I wrote him specifically to be a Marty Stu (Axel as well).

I felt it would make a certain event I had planned for down the line to have a more profound impact if I had Marty Stu characters already established.
Koveras
09:20:45 AM Dec 22nd 2010
But you are aware that Mary-Sue-ing is considered Bad Writing and intentional invocation of said archetype is not among the few ways to make it better? Also, the last time a guy trying introducing an overpowered character, his contributions boiled down to generic fascination with his own avatar and did extremely little for the story progression. I am not telling you to rewrite your characters, but I recommend you to be very careful with canonizing Marty Stus.

The dichotomy between the cast's Super Weights invariably results in different conflict difficulty requirements to challenge each character. And that, in turn, leads to either storyline separation (running the risk of abandoning the weaker characters' storyline, especially if they are not your own creations) or the weaker characters just tagging along behind the Marty Stu. Neither situation is particularly fair for the old cast.

Apropos established characters. I noticed that lately, most of your additions were to Gabe and Axel's character list entries. Please don't forget that the story already has a substantial old cast. Concentrating too much on your original ones may ultimately result in derailment of the whole series, and nobody wants that.
Bladist
10:10:40 AM Dec 22nd 2010
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The only reason I added so much more to Gabe and Axel's character entries were because as direct creations of mine, I can say exactly what they do, think, and are. The other characters were already established, so I am afraid to flesh out theirs because I don't know everything of what they have already been made up to by other people (not to mention you and previous authors), and don't want to risk going against that. Heck, I didn't even have a clue as to what Report's hair color was until I found the "Troper Crue" image link two hours ago.

Also, I haven't been writing much of characters like Yug Gib, Ms. Naf, and Bertrand because I have no idea how to write them.
Koveras
10:41:06 AM Dec 22nd 2010
The fun part about this comic is that everyone can contribute to it, just like the actual wiki. As long as you don't directly contradict what was already there before you, you can expand any part of it you want (you can even retroactively add tropes to long-completed arcs). Only that which is included on the main page and the character list is canon, so if you've read all of it, you have nothing to fear. The Troper Crue image, for instance, is fanart. :D
Bladist
10:48:20 AM Dec 22nd 2010
Awesome fanart, though.
Koveras
11:19:01 AM Dec 22nd 2010
Yeah, Seraph really outdid himself on that one. ^^
Darkmane
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06:46:28 AM May 25th 2010
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Um, I can't figure this page out; it's fucking with my brain. What exactly is this?
muninn
07:22:11 AM May 25th 2010
It's a page for a work that doesn't exist. Basically, everybody "writes" the work by adding tropes to the page, with an explanation of how the tropes would appear in the work if it actually existed.
Darkmane
08:20:35 AM May 25th 2010
That's what's fucking with my brain. What stops the page from exploding into a Doorstopper that includes every single trope under the sky?
Koveras
08:54:38 AM May 25th 2010
The writers must be lazy. That's probably the only explanation.
Malchus
03:09:19 AM Jun 13th 2010
A troper driven mad/about to be driven mad trying to figure this out?

just as planned.
Adannor
02:23:21 AM Aug 8th 2011
Sky is the limit! It very well can include a full wiki. And itself.
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