Discussion FanficRecs / PokeMon

Nvm, I didn't realize there was a list of fan games on the Pokemon [[Fan Works/Pokemon Fan Works]] page.

I don't know how to link properly but you can find it via Google or under my favorite stories on Fanfiction.net my Author name is Ookamimoon.

You can't recommend your own fanfic. Other than that, I don't think there's rules aside from using the template and not deleting other people's recs unless they are not using the template or are in the wrong section (shipping stories in General, etc).

Hi there!

Good on you for coming to the discussion page. Yes, fanfic authors are not allowed to list their own stories on Fanfic Recs, but if you want then you can create a wiki page for it at Fanfic.Pokemon The Great Adventure, which you can then link to as appropriate from around the wiki.

I personally can't recommend your fanfic since, well, I haven't read it, but someone else may come along, take pity on the puppy eyes, and do so.

If no links are available, a rec should be removed, but you should look really hard for mirrors beforehand.

Likely General, as it's more comedy focused than a shipping story.

I was wondering about it as well, but forgot. I say it should be axed.

Not so sure. It's still on the internet, and some folks like reading deadfics if the quality of what remains is good enough.

The problem is that the chapters run into each other.

plus some people keep fics on their hard drive, so if a fic is recced and someone goes looking for it they may run across a group who Keep Circulating The Fics.

However it does seem the first name reccing that fic is the author's. So that should be removed, no self promotion after all.

I will link to the Deviantart chapters with a warning stating this:

"Keep in mind that the chapters are not labeled."

You got my support.

2 down, 3 to go.

Wouldn't it be two? There's YOUR vote, too.

Fixed it.

We seem to have an implied "keep" vote based on how someone has recently added their name to the "Recommended by" list.

Personally, I think it could stand to have a better recommendation writeup at the very least, particularly considering the number of comments that counter criticisms rather than actually support the work.

I'll ask the troper to place his/her opinion here directly. Was it before or after this discussion was brought up?

I support it staying because I like it and I recommend it. Under the No Such Thing As Notability rule, and after the huge fuss caused by a troper called Antvasima on the Ranma pages, it was established by Fast Eddie that all that is required for a fanfic rec to be present on a fanfic rec page is for one single troper to think it should be. In this case I am that troper. Trying to impose an objective measure of worth on fanfics is not something that is the business of this wiki, and trying to do so was part of what got Antvasima banned the first time (along with removing other people's recs).

As for the comments, well since the comments section is supposed to be replaced with a reviews link (see the template at the bottom of the Fan Fic Recommendations front page) that is a moot issue. Information on a fanfic rec page is supposed to be Fic name and author, recommender name, brief one or two line summary , any tags, and a link to a review page where reviews (if any since they are optional) may be left.

What thread is his word on? Can't find it.

EDIT: I searched this topic and the only reason I found for antvasima's ban was edit warring, not "trying to impose an objective measure of worth on fanfics". Besides, we work by consensus, and the site's MO is "the vote of the majority goes" from everything I saw. Either way, I PM'd Fast Eddie. If he does come by as I asked, let's see what he says.

EDIT 2: DialgaX, I'll ask you not to zap this fic until FE passes the word, even if the 5 votes are reached. Better safe than sorry.

EDIT 3: Ninja'd.

Yeah, its writeup needs work. Most of the comments are countering criticism of the fic rather than supporting or "disrecommending" it.

No, the majority can often be wrong. Anyway, no published work can be excluded because it is not "important" in the eyes of any number of tropers.

If the work is available online, on screen, or on paper, it is published.

Post script: We have a cutlist. The only people who have the right to remove a page of any kind are the Cutmasters. In fact, we ban people who blank pages on their own initiative.

THUMPED

Hold on, isn't this for removing the rec rather than the fic page?

That's not really cutlist territory there.

that is what happened over in the Ranma page, Antvasima removed recc'd fics and wanted them to meet some sort of standard for "quality" stating that the Sturgeon's Law required it to achieve some sort of objectively scored status. This was found to be not the case, one troper thinks it is good enough to be recommended is all it takes to be recommended.

From the Fan Fic Recommendations main page:

"This is a list of recommendations made by Tropers for Fan Fics. Feel free to recommend your favorite fanfics here, but please follow the preferred template found below.

Bear in mind that recommendations are subjective, so if you want to question or discuss any given recommendation you should do so on the appropriate discussion page"

Nothing about any committee or group approval there.

I'll try to remember to start moving the page from the old format with formats into the current template with a link for people to give reviews sometime later this week.

I think we did have a thread on the fanfic recs discussion page that explained this but it got nuked because it turned nasty due to Antvasima accusing all sorts of people all sorts of things.

Is that going to work? I can't seem to find a method of converting comments into reviews in the "add review" section aside from each individual recommender doing it themselves. Using this strategy, my fic alone would require thirteen individual rereviews, and I'm not convinced all of the relevant people are still around.

No you can't. The tropers themselves must place the review - it's bound to the handle.

/ That's a nice way around it.

The way we did it during the big conversion a while back was to take, say, Joe Bloggs's signed review from the comments section and add it to the reviews tab ourselves, titling it as 'Joe Bloggs's Review'.

See the recs page of Neon Genesis Evangelion for some good examples.

If you can't delete, why not have two lines, one for those who recommend and one for those who disrecommend? Anyone can add a fic, but readers looking for a story will be able to tell if a lot of people didn't like it.

addressed on main Fan Fic Recommendations page already with the final line above the recs index:

"If you want people to stay away from a fan fic, or read it for Bile Fascination or Snark Bait reasons, post it in SoBadItsGood.Fan Fic or Horrible.Fan Fic. If you want to read articles for other fanfics of varying quality, go to FanFic.Fan Fics."

So, no disrecommends allowed on the main page. Word of God right there.

Huh. That's not the best setup. I assume it's to avoid the piles of warring edits here, but a disrecommends option would be pretty useful and probably cut down on that somewhat.

It does mention you can say if you like/dislike a fanfic in its reviews. Would it be possible to split up reviews into recommends/disrecommends format?

Nope. All I can do is get a review link set up and clean some of the natter.

Uh, Cryptic Mirror, I think you're taking Word of God a little too word for word there. I've always seen that line as meaning "if you find a fic tht's really awful and you want people to avoid it, post it in So Bad Its Good or Horrible, etc", not "If you find an already recc'd fic on this page and you think it should be avoided, talk about it somewhere else."

Even if someone likes a fic and reccs it, if someone disagrees with it's quality, they deserve to be heard too. Disrecommends made onto an already recc'd fic tend to induce natter, but at the same time often flag controversial fics so people are at least warned before they choose their timesink of choice.

Still, with the review system being set up, the situation should improve. This should clear up natter and give people a heads up about the quality of fics once it gets going.

Come on, people, I'm itching!

If, by April 1st, I get nothing against the deletion, I'll do it.

Dude, no need to itch. Discussions are slow to update, and having it up for a little more time won't doom the site as we know it. I think.

I know it won't doom the site, man :D But I'm getting impatient, you know?

phazonfarmer has several other recommendations on the page, has a troping history, and has commented on the fic at Slash Firestorm's newgrounds site. I've also found other positive comments about the fanfic on FF.net... impressive, considering the fic is on the adult site equivalent.

Whether or not the fic belongs on the recommendations page can be argued, but I currently have no reason to believe that the original recommender is a sockpuppet.

(I might be biased; phazonfarmer also recommended my fic.)

Guys...

... sorry about that. Deleting this fic without attending to the original post's agreement was a very sucky move.

I don't want to start an edit war, but this deletion was done wrong. Should I reinstate it?

Don't think you can start an edit war against yourself. Go for it.

Done.

I say axe it. I've seen worse, but I've seen better, too. "Sinners" doesn't have enough juice to put it head and shoulders above 90% of Pokemon fanficion, which is the point of Fanfic Recs.

That's one. Four more to go.

Two, three to go.

See my latest edit reason.

Okay, that's one vote to keep it. First opinion to reach 5 votes wins.

There's my own vote (that wasn't explicit before), which lets us at 3 to 1.

Also, do you think "slightly better than normal" warrants a TV Tropes fanfic rec, Dialga X? Comparing this to 8/9 of the other fics listed on the page... I don't think so.

I'd say axe it. As I was reading it I was somewhat entertained, but looking back, every single last one of your points against it is completely spot on, and now I can't even stand to look at it. The plot is one long epic wangst fest, the main character is dull and his characterization as he goes into the dark side makes no sense (and the presentation of him being 'between light and darkness' is just cliche), and the doomsday plot gets in the way of what should have been a study of how the advertised relationship would have worked. Not to mention the Anvillicious message of how good and pure the relationship is in contrast with how evil religion is. It's... it's basically pokeTwilight.

It is indeed 'slightly better than normal', but slightly isn't good enough. This thing is a Door Stopper, and if people are going to waste their time roaming these pages (like me) than there really should be better options around. Best of the best on these pages, I say, and this isn't one of it.

4 in favour, 1 against.

On second thought, I change my vote to support deleting it. It was good for a cheap and easy read but it was not something up to the caliber of say, Poke Wars and I agree that the plot kind of derailed after a while as well.

In this case, Sinners is zapped. Bye-bye!