Broken Aesop Live Action TV Discussion

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05:00:29 AM Mar 23rd 2018

Deleted this because because Fitz was brainwashed and given Fake Memories. Framework!Fitz was effectively a different character from real!Fitz, and the former is effectively dead. Ward was never brainwashed, only trained. So there really is no comparison.
03:36:54 AM Mar 25th 2018
It is a bit of a stretch to try and make it a broken Aesop when everybody in the mainframe where literally rebuilt from the ground up from altered memories and circumstance. So the trope in no way or form applies.
12:53:41 PM Feb 21st 2017
The Doctor Who example from "The Parting of the Ways" is questionable. Nine was played from beginning to end as having something resembling PTSD over the events of the Time War and it's reasonable to interpret the scene as him simply being unable to bring himself to destroy an inhabited planet again, despite the consequences. Cowardice, yes (by his own admission), but not really a Broken Aesop.
01:27:42 AM Jun 19th 2015
I don't understand the basis for thinking TNG's The Game was trying to prove an Aesop. On it's face, it's just an episode about an alien using technology to brainwash the crew, just like plenty of other technologies in other episodes. The medium happens to be a game, but there are no quotes or elements in the story that hint at an Aesop or lesson.
05:53:25 AM May 20th 2014
  • Despite the moral being to treat the gangers as humans, the Arc of the season is kicked off by having the Doctor melt Amy's ganger with his screwdriver. By the logic of "The Almost People", this was an act of murder, as the ganger had feelings of its own.

Amy was connected to her ganger. Her consciousness was in the ganger while real body was being held in that box. She was the only consciousness involved; there was no other ganger. Therefore, no murder. All the Doctor did was cut the connection and return her to her rightful body.
06:34:52 AM May 20th 2014
I'm confused. How is it different from the other gangers?
06:45:27 PM May 20th 2014
Because the other gangers gained independent consciousness and awareness. The only reason they gained awareness was because of that storm. Amy's ganger didn't have that. It wasn't an entity seperate from Amy.
06:55:28 PM May 20th 2014
Oh, is that the case? If so, they didn't do a great job pointing it out... I've seen the episodes a couple times and didn't realize that was the case. But if so, you're correct, those are clearly different circumstances (though I don't blame the person for adding it in the first place).
06:10:46 PM May 21st 2014
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I understand the confusion. I wish it had been explained better, as well. Frankly, I'm not surprised anyone is confused about it.
05:42:40 AM May 17th 2014
cutting two Fresh Prince Of Bel Air examples:

  • The second one is about how Will quits a Western Philosophy class in College, because he thinks it will be too hard for him. But the moment after he dismisses Will from the class, the professor changes into a total different person, who Will starts to like. Will is reprimanded for quitting the class too soon, but nobody seems to care about how wrong and weird it was that the professor changed his personality like that...

The professor doesn't suddenly change. Him and Will get off on the wrong foot and Will antagonizes him from the beginning. We only see him reacting to that until after he dismisses Will. His behavior is consistent and doesn't affect the Aesop.

  • Not to mention the episode, where Will pretends that his baby cousin Nicky is his own son. He gets the attention of a girl and many gifts (including a trip to Hawaii), until he finally confesses that he only lied about being a single father. So all these gifts go to another man, who supposedly is a real single father, except that he confesses to Will that he too only was lying! So the aesop doesn't become "never tell a lie" as much as "if you're going to lie, don't be stupid enough to confess that you're lying".

Do I need to say it? The twist ending is clearly Played for Laughs. (A Stock Aesop like "do what's right morally, whether you're rewarded for it or not", stands anyway.
12:53:19 PM Feb 21st 2017
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