History BrokenAesop / LiveActionTV

21st Jan '17 6:55:57 AM starofjusticev21
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** An episode of ''Series/MightyMorphinPowerRangers'' has the Yellow Ranger (Who is Asian of course) being talked to about honor. Most notably, how she should fight monsters all on her own because it's honorable. Besides of all the other things wrong with this aesop, this episode was very closely placed to an episode about teamwork, which had literally the exact opposite aesop. And between the two, on a show where 5 super heroes usually beat up on one monster, the whole honor thing just doesn't make as much sense.

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** An episode of ''Series/MightyMorphinPowerRangers'' has the Yellow Ranger (Who is Asian of course) being talked to about honor. Most notably, how she should fight monsters all on her own because it's honorable. Besides of all the other things wrong with this aesop, this episode was very closely placed to an episode about teamwork, which had literally the exact opposite aesop. And between the two, on a show where 5 super heroes usually beat up on one monster, the whole honor thing just doesn't make as much sense.
26th Dec '16 8:08:24 AM MagBas
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*** Although the intended Aesop may have been that you have to put up with [[JerkAss Jerkasses]] throughout your life, including in school, and you can't let their jerkassery stop you from pursuing important life goals. As far as what was wrong with the board of education, Jerkass teachers can, unfortunately, be TruthInTelevision.
26th Dec '16 6:38:27 AM AsForMyHandle
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** Although the intended Aesop may have been that you have to put up with [[JerkAss Jerkasses]] throughout your life, including in school, and you can't let their jerkassery stop you from pursuing important life goals. As far as what was wrong with the board of education, Jerkass teachers can, unfortunately, be TruthInTelevision.

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** *** Although the intended Aesop may have been that you have to put up with [[JerkAss Jerkasses]] throughout your life, including in school, and you can't let their jerkassery stop you from pursuing important life goals. As far as what was wrong with the board of education, Jerkass teachers can, unfortunately, be TruthInTelevision.



* ''Series/GilligansIsland'': According to series creator Sherwood Schwartz, the show was supposed to be about the need for us all to work together. So who ends up getting off the island? The guest stars, by betraying the regular cast.

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According to series creator Sherwood Schwartz, the show was supposed to be about the need for us all to work together. So who ends up getting off the island? The guest stars, by betraying the regular cast.



* When Hiro from ''Series/{{Heroes}}'' discovers that [[spoiler:his father had died]], he traveled back into the past to [[spoiler:save his father, but his father declined the offer]] by saying that he should not play God with his powers; then the entire episode is about Hiro learning that [[spoiler:his father]] is absolutely correct and he presents this as AnAesop [[spoiler:during his father's funeral]]. The problem is that Hiro's TimeTravel abilities are about changing the past and he had done it before without complaining once. Worse, [[spoiler:Present!Dad wouldn't have died]] if Future!Hiro hadn't traveled through time to [[spoiler:save Past!Dad from dying]] in the first place! It could be that the very Stargate-Aesop is, "Time Travel gives everyone a headache, even when it's their main ability."
** This was somewhat lampshaded when Hiro was put on trial in his own mind for playing around with causality for his own benefit.

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* When Hiro from ''Series/{{Heroes}}'' discovers that [[spoiler:his father had died]], he traveled back into the past to [[spoiler:save his father, but his father declined the offer]] by saying that he should not play God with his powers; then the entire episode is about Hiro learning that [[spoiler:his father]] is absolutely correct and he presents this as AnAesop [[spoiler:during his father's funeral]]. The problem is that Hiro's TimeTravel abilities are about changing the past and he had done it before without complaining once. Worse, [[spoiler:Present!Dad wouldn't have died]] if Future!Hiro hadn't traveled through time to [[spoiler:save Past!Dad from dying]] in the first place! It could be that the very Stargate-Aesop is, "Time Travel gives everyone a headache, even when it's their main ability."
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" This was somewhat lampshaded when Hiro was put on trial in his own mind for playing around with causality for his own benefit.
26th Dec '16 6:36:58 AM AsForMyHandle
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* A later episode of ''Series/FullHouse'' had Jesse going back to school so he can get his GED. The Aesop of “stay in school, no matter what” ends up being undermined by the fact that he has to deal with the same rude teacher who was convinced that he would never amount to anything and who scared him away from his education in the first place. Oh, sure on one hand he should not have let him deter him from graduating, but on the other hand, what the hell is wrong with that board of education for allowing such an unprofessional and condescending JerkAss that has no problem humiliating others to continue teaching students? Even worse, at the end of the episode, it was ''[[StrawLoser Jesse]]'' [[StrawLoser who was completely in the wrong for not staying in the class.]] What's more, Jesse isn't exactly a loser; some of the (very successful) jobs he's had over the years have included rock star, nightclub owner, and Radio DJ, plus he's got a hot wife and is clearly doing well for himself. Not graduating clearly hasn't hurt his life in the slightest.

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A later episode of ''Series/FullHouse'' had Jesse going back to school so he can get his GED. The Aesop of “stay in school, no matter what” ends up being undermined by the fact that he has to deal with the same rude teacher who was convinced that he would never amount to anything and who scared him away from his education in the first place. Oh, sure on one hand he should not have let him deter him from graduating, but on the other hand, what the hell is wrong with that board of education for allowing such an unprofessional and condescending JerkAss that has no problem humiliating others to continue teaching students? Even worse, at the end of the episode, it was ''[[StrawLoser Jesse]]'' [[StrawLoser who was completely in the wrong for not staying in the class.]] What's more, Jesse isn't exactly a loser; some of the (very successful) jobs he's had over the years have included rock star, nightclub owner, and Radio DJ, plus he's got a hot wife and is clearly doing well for himself. Not graduating clearly hasn't hurt his life in the slightest.



** Popular blogger Billy Superstar of ''Full House Reviewed'' has also pointed out that many times--especially in the later seasons, when [[CreatorsPet Michelle]] became the major focus of most plots--the intended Aesops of "Sometimes things don't work out the way you want to" or "You don't always get what you want" almost ''always'' fall flat. Why? Because after Michelle (or, more rarely, Stephanie or D.J.) decides to accept the lesson, they're immediately rewarded with what they wanted in the first place. For instance, in one episode, Michelle is upset because she doesn't get to play Yankee Doodle in a school play; after she accepts her new role and encourages Derek, who's playing Yankee Doodle, to do the best he can, he makes up an entire verse of the song all about her to sing to everyone. Similarly, in "Day of the Rhino," Michelle is tricked into spending her saved-up money on what turns out to be a cheap toy given away by Rigby the Rhino, her favorite TV character. She leads a protest against his unfair tricks, which Joey praises as the right thing to do, as she may have kept other kids from making the same mistake she did...but then Rigby literally ''shows up at the Tanner'' house to give Michelle a much better toy!

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** Popular blogger Billy Superstar of ''Full House Reviewed'' has also pointed out that many times--especially in the later seasons, when [[CreatorsPet Michelle]] became the major focus of most plots--the intended Aesops of "Sometimes things don't work out the way you want to" or "You don't always get what you want" almost ''always'' fall flat. Why? Because after Michelle (or, more rarely, Stephanie or D.J.) decides to accept the lesson, they're immediately rewarded with what they wanted in the first place. For instance, in one episode, Michelle is upset because she doesn't get to play Yankee Doodle in a school play; after she accepts her new role and encourages Derek, who's playing Yankee Doodle, to do the best he can, he makes up an entire verse of the song all about her to sing to everyone. Similarly, in "Day of the Rhino," Michelle is tricked into spending her saved-up money on what turns out to be a cheap toy given away by Rigby the Rhino, her favorite TV character. She leads a protest against his unfair tricks, which Joey praises as the right thing to do, as she may have kept other kids from making the same mistake she did... but then Rigby literally ''shows up at the Tanner'' house to give Michelle a much better toy!toy!
** One episode had Michelle being picked on by a kid. Michelle is then told to fight back the next time, and she does. It gets her in trouble at school, and she learns that she should always go to an adult when she is picked on. The problem? The one who told her to fight back was ''[[CoolUncle Jesse]]''. Michelle ''did'' go to an adult, and it was how the situation got worse in the first place.
3rd Dec '16 4:00:01 PM Gravidef
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** Popular blogger Billy Superstar of ''Full House Reviewed'' has also pointed out that many times--especially in the later seasons, when [[CreatorsPet Michelle]] became the major focus of most plots--the intended Aesops of "Sometimes things don't work out the way you want to" or "You don't always get what you want" almost ''always'' fall flat. Why? Because after Michelle (or, more rarely, Stephanie or D.J.) decides to accept the lesson, they're immediately rewarded with what they wanted in the first place. For instance, in one episode, Michelle is upset because she doesn't get to play Yankee Doodle in a school play; after she accepts her new role and encourages Derek, who's playing Yankee Doodle, to do the best he can, he makes up an entire verse of the song all about her to sing to everyone. Similarly, in "Day of the Rhino," Michelle is tricked into spending her saved-up money on what turns out to be a cheap toy given away by Rigby the Rhino, her favorite TV character. She leads a protest against his unfair tricks, which Joey praises as the right thing to do, as she may have kept other kids from making the same mistake she did...but then Rigby literally ''shows up at the Tanner'' house to give Michelle a much better toy!



** Towards the end of Season 1, the show tried to promote a GayAesop. [[BigManOnCampus Finn]] learns to his shock from his mother that they're moving in with her boyfriend. Her boyfriend happens to be the father of [[CampGay Kurt]], who has a crush on Finn. The two have to room together, and Finn's homophobia causes tension between the two. Eventually at the end, Finn has to learn to respect others despite their differences. Sounds simple enough, but the way they go about achieving this aesop made it broken. Kurt, both in this episode and over the course of the season, '''had''' a blatant crush on Finn and the rooming situation was part of his plan to seduce Finn in hopes of him becoming his boyfriend. In other words, despite the aesop, Kurt never did respect Finn's boundaries.

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** Towards the end of Season 1, the show tried to promote a GayAesop. [[BigManOnCampus Finn]] learns to his shock from his mother that they're moving in with her boyfriend. Her boyfriend happens to be the father of [[CampGay Kurt]], who has a crush on Finn. The two have to room together, and Finn's homophobia causes tension between the two. Eventually at the end, Finn has to learn to respect others despite their differences. Sounds simple enough, but the way they go about achieving this aesop made it broken. Kurt, both in this episode and over the course of the season, '''had''' a blatant crush on Finn, and continued to make advances toward him despite Finn and clearly being uncomfortable with the situation; Kurt even deliberately arranged the rooming situation was part of his plan to seduce Finn in hopes of him becoming his boyfriend. In other words, despite while making the aesop, Kurt never did respect room itself look "romantic" to try to get into Finn's boundaries.pants. Thankfully, the writers realized this flawed Aesop, and had Kurt's father give his son a speech in the following season which made it clear that Kurt's behavior was completely unacceptable, and that if [[DoubleStandard Finn had been a girl and Kurt a straight guy, the latter probably would have been arrested]].



** In the Christmas episode in season 3, the club is given the choice between volunteering at a homeless shelter for the holidays and filming a christmas special. They arrive near the end and we are clearly supposed to see it as a noble heartwarming moment which ignores the fact that they filmed the special anyway and arrived later. It wouldn't be as troubling but for the way the writers obviously want this to be seen as a selfless moment on their part. The message comes across "Do the right thing but only if it doesn't cost you anything".

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** In the Christmas episode in season 3, the club is given the choice between volunteering at a homeless shelter for the holidays and filming a christmas Christmas special. They arrive near the end and we are clearly supposed to see it as a noble heartwarming moment which ignores the fact that they filmed the special anyway and arrived later. It wouldn't be as troubling but for the way the writers obviously want this to be seen as a selfless moment on their part. The message comes across "Do the right thing but only if it doesn't cost you anything".
22nd Nov '16 12:27:51 PM MagBas
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*** This is offset by the fact that realistically, she should have been disbarred for doing something like this. The only consequences she faces are a couple of stern reprimands.
22nd Nov '16 12:14:57 PM beyondthesea
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*** This is offset by the fact that realistically, she should have been disbarred for doing something like this. The only consequences she faces are a couple of stern reprimands.
20th Nov '16 4:59:05 AM Silverblade2
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*** This troper always thought it was more a SecretTestOfCharacter. Aunt Viv clearly stated that she thought the two black students in her class would be the most interested in learning about Black History, since it was their idea to have the class in the first place.
7th Nov '16 3:09:36 PM PrincessGwen
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** Much of the criticism of ''Glee'' stems from a perception that, despite it's pro-tolerance and inclusive message, it frequently undercuts itself through the fact that many of its minority [[note]]Anyone who is not white, American and either hetero- or homosexual[[/note]] characters are heavily stereotyped and often reduced to background roles, e.g. an Asian character freaking out over an A-, calling it an "Asian F". It also doesn't help matters that, while the show routinely condemns homophobia; biphobic or transphobic statements made in-universe go by almost entirely unchallenged, for instance a lesbian dumps her bisexual girlfriend on the assumption that she would have eventually cheated with a man, and is never called out for it, and a transwoman forced to dress as a man on school property is basically told to suck it up.

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** Much of the criticism of ''Glee'' stems from a perception that, despite it's its pro-tolerance and inclusive message, it frequently undercuts itself through the fact that many of its minority [[note]]Anyone who is not white, American and either hetero- or homosexual[[/note]] characters are heavily stereotyped and often reduced to background roles, e.g. an Asian character freaking out over an A-, calling it an "Asian F". It also doesn't help matters that, while the show routinely condemns homophobia; biphobic or transphobic statements made in-universe go by almost entirely unchallenged, for instance a lesbian dumps her bisexual girlfriend on the assumption that she would have eventually cheated with a man, and is never called out for it, and a transwoman forced to dress as a man on school property is basically told to suck it up.



* Mexican's "La Rosa de Guadalupe" it's supposed to give valors and ethics to the people, sometimes in an excessively catholic view but even when not it manages to screw things so bad more times than not, at times like in a Chick strip the bad guy will repent and get a happy ending with some innocent dying in the process, others with clear "Didn't do the research" scenarios, and one particular time with all of the people about to get killed saved by nothing but a miracle which in a country like Mexico sounds cruel and unnecessary.

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* Mexican's "La Rosa de Guadalupe" it's supposed to give valors and ethics to the people, sometimes in an excessively catholic Catholic view but even when not it manages to screw things so bad more times than not, at times like in a Chick strip the bad guy will repent and get a happy ending with some innocent dying in the process, others with clear "Didn't do the research" scenarios, and one particular time with all of the people about to get killed saved by nothing but a miracle which in a country like Mexico sounds cruel and unnecessary.



** One episode of ''The College Years'' has Slater discovering his Hispanic heritage and that his father changed his name to get into the army. Zack is presented as being ignorant of this and the one who has to learn AnAesop. Except Slater out of nowhere calls Zack a racist because he tries to set Slater up with a blonde girl. The exact quote is "why do you only think girls with blonde hair and blue eyes are attractive? I've dated girls with dark hair and dark eyes before" - which is a massive ContinuitySnarl given that many girls of different ethnicities have served as Zack's love interests and Slater's own major love interest was a Caucasian blonde. Zack apologises for his behavior at the end of the episode but Slater never apologises for being overly sensitive. Oh and there's a scene where Zack uses a racist remark and Slater comes back with a racist response of his own. Zack apologises for his but Slater doesn't.

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** One episode of ''The College Years'' has Slater discovering his Hispanic heritage and that his father changed his name to get into the army. Zack is presented as being ignorant of this and the one who has to learn AnAesop. Except Slater out of nowhere calls Zack a racist because he tries to set Slater up with a blonde girl. The exact quote is "why do you only think girls with blonde hair and blue eyes are attractive? I've dated girls with dark hair and dark eyes before" - which is a massive ContinuitySnarl given that many girls of different ethnicities have served as Zack's love interests and Slater's own major love interest was a Caucasian blonde. Zack apologises apologizes for his behavior at the end of the episode but Slater never apologises apologizes for being overly sensitive. Oh and there's a scene where Zack uses a racist remark and Slater comes back with a racist response of his own. Zack apologises apologizes for his but Slater doesn't.
21st Oct '16 1:53:51 AM PurpleAlert
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* ''Series/StepByStep'' has an episode where J.T. takes a part time job as a shampoo boy for Carol's salon after he fails spectacularly at working at his dad's construction site. This upsets Frank because "there are some things men shouldn't do" and Carol calls him out for having a sexist attitude, but when he tells J.T. he's okay with him being a shampoo boy, J.T. tells him he's only doing it so he can touch girls without getting in trouble and Frank is visibly relieved to hear that, despite an effeminate line of work, he's straight. Frank then goes and hires his tomboy daughter to take J.T.'s spot on the construction company and has no problems at all, so rather than "gender roles shouldn't matter in the workplace", we get "girls can do masculine work if they want, but a boy doing feminine work is weird and wrong unless he can prove he's heterosexual."
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