History BrokenAesop / LiveActionTV

7th Feb '16 12:20:36 PM AndIntroducingALeg
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** Also a straightforward example; In a season 1 episode, Lister's Confidence and Paranoia become personified. Lister completely ignores Paranoia and only listens to Confidence - which almost gets him killed. The lesson Lister takes from this? He should stop listening to his paranoia and be confident.
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** Also a straightforward example; In a season 1 episode, Lister's Confidence and Paranoia become personified. Lister completely ignores Paranoia and only listens to Confidence - which almost gets him killed. The lesson Lister takes from this? He should stop listening to his paranoia and be confident. Then again, perhaps the point was to highlight the fact that Lister learned the wrong lesson: the result of listening to his confidence was [[spoiler: having to live with two Rimmers]].
29th Jan '16 8:34:41 AM RobTan
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** In ''[[Recap/StarTrekTheNextGeneratioS5E16Ethics Ethics]]'', Worf suffers an injury that leaves him quadriplegic, and, rather than take the standard treatment of implants which would restore most of his mobility, he opts for a risky, unproven spinal surgery performed by a visiting doctor who has a reputation for cutting corners in her research. The operation is a success, although Worf does end up clinically dead for a few minutes during the procedure. Crusher tears into the doctor for using Worf as a guinea pig to prove a pet theory, but this is undercut since: A. it worked perfectly and Worf makes a complete recovery, and B. performing risky procedures based on the scantest evidence is basically a Starfleet doctor's job description, and every CMO in Star Trek, including Crusher, has done much more serious operations on organisms they knew even less about.
21st Jan '16 12:25:24 PM Furienna
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** Another example is an episode, where Will pretends to be his baby cousin Nicky's father to impress a girl. It all gets out of hand, until a TV show is going to award him several gifts (including a trip to Hawaii) for being such a devoted single father. Will feels guilty and reveals that he had been lying, so all those gifts go to a another man, who seems to be a real single father. Except for that this man suddenly tells Will that he had been faking it too! So the aesop seems to not be that lying is wrong, but that you should know when to keep your mouth...
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** Another example is an episode, where Will pretends to be his baby cousin Nicky's father to impress a girl. It all gets out of hand, until a TV show is going to award him several gifts (including a trip to Hawaii) for being such a devoted single father. Will feels guilty and reveals that he had been lying, so all those gifts go to a another man, who seems to be a real single father. Except for that this man suddenly tells Will that he had been faking it too! So the aesop seems to not be that lying is wrong, but that you should know when to keep your mouth...mouth shut...
20th Jan '16 9:08:32 PM Furienna
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** Another example is an episode, where Will pretends to be his baby cousin Nicky's father to impress a girl. It all gets out of hand, until a TV show is going to award him several gifts (including a trip to Hawaii) for being such a devoted single father. Will feels guilty and reveals that he had been lying, so all those gifts go to a another man, who seems to be a real single father. Except for that this man suddenly tells Will that her had been faking it too!
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** Another example is an episode, where Will pretends to be his baby cousin Nicky's father to impress a girl. It all gets out of hand, until a TV show is going to award him several gifts (including a trip to Hawaii) for being such a devoted single father. Will feels guilty and reveals that he had been lying, so all those gifts go to a another man, who seems to be a real single father. Except for that this man suddenly tells Will that her he had been faking it too!too! So the aesop seems to not be that lying is wrong, but that you should know when to keep your mouth...
20th Jan '16 9:06:02 PM Furienna
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** Another example is an episode, where Will pretends to be his baby cousin Nicky's father to impress a girl. It all gets out of hand, until a TV show is going to award him several gifts (including a trip to Hawaii) for being such a devoted single father. Will feels guilty and reveals that he had been lying, so all those gifts go to a another man, who seems to be a real single father. Except for that this man suddenly tells Will that her had been faking it too!
9th Jan '16 10:12:15 AM MrThorfan64
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** "Journey's End" is yet another and even worse example of the series trying to suggest that the Doctor's attitude to the Daleks is FantasticRacism while still depicting them as AlwaysChaoticEvil. The Doctor treats his clone as wrong for wiping out the Daleks ([[JokerImmunity they're back next series]]), saying it shows how violent and brutal he is. Yet the Daleks had just come very close to wiping out entire Universes and are fictions poster creature for ScaryDogmaticAliens. The Doctor had temporarily incapacitated them but considering how resourceful they are it was unlikely they would have remained like that for long. The moral makes even less sense considering that 10 in the same series had basically done the same thing to a race that wasn't as dangerous as the Daleks and in the process killed 20,000 innocent people, even if this was what history decreed. Meanwhile his clone was only wiping out the Daleks and ([[JokerImmunity possibly]]) their OmnicidalManiac Creator Davros, who refused a chance to be saved by the Doctor. ** The Doctor talking about how wonderful and resourceful humanity is can be slightly undermined by the fact a lot of their achievements and survival are due to him and many other aliens, the Daemons, the Osirians and the Silents to name a few.
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** "Journey's End" is yet another and even worse example of the series trying to suggest that the Doctor's attitude to the Daleks is FantasticRacism while still depicting them as AlwaysChaoticEvil. The Doctor treats his clone as wrong for wiping out the Daleks ([[JokerImmunity they're back next series]]), saying it shows how violent and brutal he is. Yet the Daleks had just come very close to wiping out entire Universes and are fictions poster creature for ScaryDogmaticAliens. The Doctor had temporarily incapacitated them but considering how resourceful they are it was unlikely they would have remained like that for long. The moral makes even less sense considering that 10 in the same series had basically done the same thing to a race that wasn't as dangerous as the Daleks and in the process killed 20,000 innocent people, even if this was what history decreed. Meanwhile his clone was only wiping out the Daleks and ([[JokerImmunity possibly]]) their OmnicidalManiac Creator Davros, who refused a chance to be saved by the Doctor. Doctor. Not only that but when the Doctor declined a chance to destroy the last Dalek in their previous appearance, claiming there has been too much death today, that Dalek had escaped and caused the problems of this episode. Not only that but that Dalek had been responsible for most of the deaths, killing the Dalek-Humans that numbered over a thousand because they were not Dalek enough. ** The Doctor talking about how wonderful and resourceful humanity is can be slightly undermined by the fact a lot of their achievements and survival are due to him and many other aliens, the Daemons, the Osirians and the Silents to name a few. It makes you wonder what about other races that don't have the benefit of the Doctor helping them out.
2nd Jan '16 1:49:59 PM Erin582
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* ''Series/{{Fresh Prince of Bel Air}}'' has an episode where the moral is supposed to be that slacker Will shouldn't be afraid to work hard in school. It's about how Will's Aunt Viv teaches Black History at the private school, where Will and his cousin Carlton are the only two black students in their class. Will is reprimanded for thinking that he would just ease himself through a Black History class, but it turns out that Viv gave more work to him and Carlton than to the others, because they were black! That's totally not fair, but everybody seems cool with it...
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* ''Series/{{Fresh Prince of Bel Air}}'' ''Series/TheFreshPrinceOfBelAir'' has an episode where the moral is supposed to be that slacker Will shouldn't be afraid to work hard in school. It's about how Will's Aunt Viv teaches Black History at the private school, where Will and his cousin Carlton are the only two black students in their class. Will is reprimanded for thinking that he would just ease himself through a Black History class, but it turns out that Viv gave more work to him and Carlton than to the others, because they were black! That's totally not fair, but everybody seems cool with it...

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* ''Series/{{Fresh Prince While ''Series/OneTreeHill'' was usually full of Bel Air}}'' has an episode where [[BrokenAesop broken]] or [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop family unfriendly]] aesops, one particular episode/storyline sticks out. Nathan finally was sick of his mother Deb's alcoholism, [[NeverMyFault lack of any responsibility for her actions]] and overall {{Jerkass}} behavior, especially towards his wife Haley and he decides to confront her about it. However, what should have been a great moment of him [[CallingTheOldManOut calling the moral old woman out]] was destroyed by him, who after she admitted that she had a disease, he dismisses this and reminds her that Peyton's [[spoiler: biological]] mother, Ellie, died of a ''[[UnfortunateImplications real]]'' [[UnfortunateImplications disease, cancer]]. Even if he was ultimately trying to get her admit she had a problem, take control of her life and get help, whose bright idea was it to imply that alcoholism is supposed just a weak excuse to be that slacker Will shouldn't be afraid to work hard in school. It's about how Will's Aunt Viv teaches Black History at the private school, where Will and his cousin Carlton are the only two black students in their class. Will is reprimanded for thinking that he would just ease himself through an asshole instead of a Black History class, but it turns out that Viv gave more work to him and Carlton than to the others, because they were black! That's totally not fair, but everybody seems cool with it...legitimate disease?
1st Jan '16 3:56:52 AM ShorinBJ
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There is a world of difference between thinking people shouldn't kill each other and thinking they shouldn't punch each other
** It also has Hawkeye Pierce, who is anti-war and anti-violence. He drones on and on about alternatives to fighting, but then when someone irks him, he punches him or mutilates him in surgery. With Hawkeye, violence isn't the answer when it's someone else's problem, but when it's Hawkeye's problem, violence is okay. Potter points out the dichotomy.
27th Dec '15 6:33:32 PM Erin582
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** Also, in the original show's SeriesFinale, "The Graduation", after Jessie bad mouths Screech for being a dorky guy, Lisa immediately scolds her, explaining that upon learning he was valedictorian instead of her, [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming he gave it up as he knew how much it would mean to her]], with her even guilt-tripping Jessie by saying that "the world would be much better place if we had more little dorky guys, don't you think?" However, as true as that comment in its respective context, it all becomes significantly weakened by the fact that it's ''[[AlphaBitch Lisa]]'' trying to call someone else out on their treatment of Screech. In reality, she was the main one who consistently insulted him throughout the series, calling him a dork and a nerd while either mocking or downright dismissing him and his ideas (even the logical ones) and was really bitchy to him whenever she sought fit, even in those times that he ''wasn't'' flirting with her.
25th Dec '15 10:43:45 AM ShorinBJ
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* One episode features Margaret dealing with a Nurse Cooper, who repeatedly emotionally breaks down, up to and including running out of OR ''in the middle of an operation'' because the wounded soldiers remind her of her kid brother. Margaret is viewed as an ogre for coming down on Cooper and eventually trying to get her transferred to an easier post, and she eventually learns to empathize with Cooper, letting up on her after crying over a dead dog (NOT while she was working). See the problems here?
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* ** One episode features Margaret dealing with a Nurse Cooper, who repeatedly emotionally breaks down, up to and including running out of OR ''in the middle of an operation'' because the wounded soldiers remind her of her kid brother. Margaret is viewed as an ogre for coming down on Cooper and eventually trying to get her transferred to an easier post, and she eventually learns to empathize with Cooper, letting up on her after crying over a dead dog (NOT while she was working). See the problems here?
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