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Making it "The American Colonial Period" sounds like a totally sensible disambiguation.
Yes, it's specifically about The American Colonial Period, agree that that would be a better name / URL.
Thirding that.
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Here's me down-voting The American Colonial Period as the name. There were other American colonies at the time, like from France, Portugal, and Spain. That page is specifically about the USA's colonial period.
I suggest Colonial British America, as that seems to be the non-TV Tropes name for it.
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Makes sense to me.
I'd also like to throw out The Thirteen Original Colonies as a suggestion - makes it clear that we're talking specifically about the 13 colonies that formed the USA, as opposed to British colonies in Canada, French colonies along the Mississippi, etc.
ETA: Didn't see the The Thirteen American Colonies as a suggestion, but I also like that (my suggestion is actually a fragment of lyrics from the kids' song "Fifty Nifty United States", which is why I suggested it :)
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I like The American Colonial Period. I'm American myself, if that matters.
Edit: Actually, maybe The Thirteen American Colonies would be better.
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Thirteen colonies sounds like a good idea.
The Thirteen Colonies may not mean much to someone who isn't intimately familiar with American history. I think American Colonial Period is fine.
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This is why I also proposed The Thirteen American Colonies as an alternative name; as other US states such as California and Louisiana have their own colonial periods from Spain and France respectively.
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This might be worth taking to TRS for a quick name crowner.
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In the interests of this not getting longer than an ATT thread really needs to be, I've made a crowner so everyone can vote without worrying about stretching the ATT thread. Since there's only 7 suggestions total (with one being without an article), I figured including all the suggestions wouldn't be a problem.
Link: the alternative titles crowner
EDIT: Ninja'd as I was making the crowner.
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TRS thread is HERE. You can lock this thread now.
I've postponed this. Folks, please work on existing TRS threads as well instead of just making new ones.
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Seems like we aren't the people who need to be resolving Trope Repair Shop threads, since we cannot take any of the necessary actions.
As far as the thread goes, "The Thirteen Colonies" is short and concise and descriptive. It has a specific meaning and is not used for any other grouping of colonies.
Anyone can do TRS grunt work of changing wicks, once decisions are made.
After due consideration, I think The Thirteen American Colonies is relevant, because not everywhere gives primary consideration to parts of a country's history that don't have noticeable impact on them. There's generally no reason to in day to day life.
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^No one says "The Thirteen American Colonies". That's just not a thing people say.
*implying everything else on this site is stuff people say*
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"That isn't what people say" isn't a very strong argument against a particular suggestion.
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"That isn't what people say" isn't a very strong argument against a particular suggestion.
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To avoid confusion and obscurity, we could go with The US Colonial Period.
Note that the word "America", in English, is pretty unambiguously a reference to the US. This is slightly confusing to Spanish speakers, as they use the word to refer to what we call "The Americas" (plural). But we can sidestep that whole can of worms by using "US".
"Thirteen Colonies" as I mentioned before, is pretty obscure. I'm not sure your average Brit or Aussie would get the reference. Let alone our multilingual tropers whose first language is something else entirely.
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As a non-US-resident, I second that.
As another non-US-resident I third it.
The US Colonial Period is on the crowner.
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Google hit count for phrase "the Thirteen Colonies": 417,000. Google hit count for phrase "the Thirteen American Colonies" 92,300
And the article on Wikipedia is called "Thirteen Colonies".
It is a common and regularly used phrase when discussing history. There are and have been colonies all over the world but no other particular grouping has ever been called "the thirteen colonies." Adding an unnecessary extra word is bad writing and bad style.
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Well now that I'm done cringing after seeing the crowner...
Colonial British America should be deleted as an option because it is inaccurate. "Colonial British America" would include Canada, the Bahamas, and the Caribbean.
Except the US had its own brief (in relation) colonial period, even if it was mostly getting other people's former colonies. Philippines, American Samoa and Virgin Islands, Panama, Hawaii.
Titles here aren't about "what people usually say", No New Stock Phrases being directly related to that. They're about clarity, so someone doesn't have to click through and read to get the gist.
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^And "The Thirteen Colonies" is a clear and well-known phrase. "The Thirteen American Colonies" is a redundancy, and thus is bad writing and an undesirable trope name.
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Is there a reason that you're so hellbent on it not being "The Thirteen American Colonies"? Cause you're fighting a losing battle here.
^^I had never heard the phrase "The Thirteen Colonies" until I read this query, and I'm willing to bet I'm not the only one. It may be clear and well-known in some parts of the world, but definitely not everywhere.
Like Fan Myopia but for an entire country I guess
Specifically, I think it's We All Live in America. :)
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I'm just going to point out again that the Wikipedia article on this is called "Thirteen Colonies" and the Google count shows " thirteen colonies" outnumbering "thirteen American colonies" by a factor of seven. So contrary to this assertion it isn't just me.
I think I've listed all the reasons. Concise. Descriptive. Well known. Commonly used. If I'm fighting a losing battle and a terrible name wins this vote, well, that's unfortunate.
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This is getting much too long for Ask The Tropers.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
^ Well we tried starting a TRS thread and you wouldn't open it. So you can't exactly complain "This is too long for Ask the Tropers". Less your telling us this is now a forbidden topic we cannot discuss anywhere on the wiki?
Lot of TRS threads that are awaiting action by moderators and admins. There's a TRS thread on MGM/CBS Home Video that should have been closed and action taken (cutting the page) three weeks ago.
^^^ That's why I made a TRS thread in the first place because this thread was starting to get long, and because some non-American tropers will accidentaly shoehorn "The Colonial Period" in their countries' histories. So, can that thread be re-opened now, or make a new one?
33 threads where the moderators are waiting on tropers to carry out the consensus.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Bump.
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Hasn't this query gotten too long? Should it be moved some place else?
It's been about two weeks or so, but I think this will be renamed now.
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There is currently a short-term project thread for this article so I think this can finally be locked?
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^ Thanks for showing the thread. This ATT thread should locked now.
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As The Colonial Period has been moved to the Useful Notes namespace, the name sounds too generalizing to non-American tropers, such as myself whose country had two colonial periods. Mind if I suggest renaming it to The American Colonial Period or The Thirteen American Colonies as to make it specific to the US colonial period?
UPDATE: Crowner for Alternative names HERE
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UPDATE 2: Related thread HERE
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