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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 16th 2023 at 5:37:57 PM

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#29276: Apr 14th 2024 at 8:45:26 AM

Page 1171 @jahman

...divine heritage makes him feel much stronger and finally makes his...

Kaido is not only one of the Four Emperors, <- comma but also widely...

Edited by Arivne on Apr 14th 2024 at 8:53:05 AM

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#29277: Apr 14th 2024 at 8:52:43 AM

Page 1171 @Tylerbear 12

...Mizuki Hosoyamada, <- comma currently dubbed the "Puyo Puyo Team".

...which was later popularized...and for very good reason.

Edited by Arivne on Apr 14th 2024 at 8:53:17 AM

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#29278: Apr 14th 2024 at 8:58:19 AM

Page 1171 @MM_Crusader

...as well as the most focused, DJ...Team Victory being dismantled...

...in the final four, culminating in him and Beth becoming...

Bullman "Cool. Coolcoolcool." Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
BlueSparkles Since: Dec, 2023
#29280: Apr 14th 2024 at 10:00:45 AM

Trolls Band Together:

  • Big Brother Instinct: John Dory and Bruce show their brotherly instinct for their younger siblings.
    • They both attempt to cheer Branch up and make him smile, after seeing his sour expression during a performances. They also attempted to calm Branch down when he gets upset with them.
    • After being rescue by Viva, they both spring into action in order to save Clay and Floyd from Velvet, even though they were trap in diamond prisons.
  • The Reveal: At first, Branch believed that John Dory and Bruce left the band because of a petty argument. However, during another argument, Branch finds out the truth as to why John Dory and Bruce left, as he realize they left for selfish reasons, which hurt his feelings, thinking they don't care about him.

Tylerbear12 Just a guy. from The Green Hills. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Just a guy.
#29281: Apr 14th 2024 at 10:25:23 AM

Thanks, Arivne.

YMMV.Puyo Puyo Tetris:

  • Broken Base: Was it a good idea for this game to be the first localized Puyo Puyo game since Fever? Some feel it makes sense to use the Tetris name to get consumers into Puyo Puyo, given how popular and well-known Tetris is. In contrast, others argue it would've been better if a normal Puyo Puyo game was localized instead, arguing that using the Tetris name was a detriment to Puyo's long-term success since it attracted an entirely separate audience who had no interest in Puyo Puyo in the first place and has indirectly harmed the series' reputation by having it be associated with and compared directly to Tetris rather than being allowed to stand on its own two feet.

YMMV.Vocaloid:

  • Fandom-Enraging Misconception: The Vocaloid singers are not AI-generated. They are vocal synthesizers (voiced by humans) that are more comparable to digital instruments than anything AI-related and still require human involvement to work (it's effectively like calling a digital piano AI). Even the AI Vocaloid voice banks still require the user to insert the music and input the lyrics for them to sing. Trust us, you don't want to make this mistake and call Miku or any of the Virtual Singers an AI singer unless you want to be crucified by the fandom.

YMMV.Batman:

  • Newer Than They Think: Batman and the Joker being Arch-Enemies is an iconic staple of the Batman mythos, but it's a surprisingly late concept in Batman's history. During the Golden and Silver Ages, the Joker was treated as just another recurring foe for Batman to beat up and was given no more importance than the rest of Batman's rogues gallery (as DC's blog states, "Basically, in the early days there just wasn’t much to say about Batman and the Joker’s relationship. A Batman versus Joker story wasn’t much different than a Batman versus random crook story"). It wasn't until The Bronze Age of Comic Books and the back-to-back success of Batman: The Dark Knight Returns, The Killing Joke, Batman: A Death in the Family, and Batman (1989) in the 1980s that the Joker would be cemented as Batman's most personal foe.

AwesomeMusic.Pizza Tower:

  • If Distasteful Anchovy isn't chaotic enough, then meet the Noise's fun and hyperactive lap 2 theme, "World Wide Noise". If Peppino's lap 2 theme screams confidence and asks if you are ready to get funky, Noise's lap 2 theme screams pure insanity and asks you to bring the noise.

Edited by Tylerbear12 on Apr 15th 2024 at 3:46:37 AM

Bullman "Cool. Coolcoolcool." Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
#29282: Apr 14th 2024 at 11:49:08 AM

For the Complete Monster thread:

  • The Last of Us Series (The Last of Us and Once Upon a Time)'s The Last of Us (AU): Robin Locksley, due to being combined with David, lacks his canon counterparts redeeming qualities. Despite at first presenting himself as a kind survivor to Regina, Robin is the sadistic leader of a group of cannibals who regularly has his men go out to collect any survivors so as to eat them. Robin has also made several women his personal "pets", before ultimately killing them, with him becoming obsessed with Regina and making her his latest pet. Robin also cares nothing for his men, with their deaths only evoking either mild annoyance or indifference from him and he nearly strangles his own right-hand for questioning him. Upon learning that Emma is on her way, Robin attempts to butcher Regina before chasing her around his settlement and attempting to rape and her. Even in a world full of smugglers, bandits and zombies, Robin stands out as the worse humanity has to offer.

For FanPreferredCouple.Live Action TV:

  • Girls5eva: Despite Dawn being Happily Married to Scott, most fans online ship Dawn with Wickie, mainly due to said fans feeling that she has better chemistry and a more interesting dynamic with Wickie. Most fan content for the show is about those two as a couple.

Any corrections?

Edited by Bullman on Apr 15th 2024 at 12:47:22 PM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Alpinist Since: Jul, 2023
#29283: Apr 14th 2024 at 5:37:47 PM

@ Cold Case

  • "The Badlands":
    • Cool Old Lady Della Lincoln faces down a local Gangbanger and orders him off the street without flinching.
    • Tre Jackson spends most of the flashback scenes being a pitiful and/or terrifying Addled Addict and terrible brother, but when he sees a Crazy Jealous Guy assaulting his little brother, he chases the assailant off by hurling empty bottles at him.

@ Cold Case S 3 E 6 Saving Patrick Bubley

  • Neighborhood-Friendly Gangsters: Cartier is a drug dealer who is never specifically mentioned as having a Freudian Excuse or Justified Criminal status, but he has Thanksgiving with the Bubleys and seems to avoid the kind of violence that surrounds the O's
  • Chekhov's Gun: The scooter that Carlos is riding right before Luther attacks him turns out to have both motivated Luther's wrath and started the feud in the first place back in 1999 after Miguel stole it from Patrick and then killed his eldest brother for trying to take it back.

@ Cudjo's Cave

  • Connected All Along: The two German Mooks among the Confederate forces turn out to be Carl's two cousins, which causes Carl angst when one dies and plants the seeds for the other to have a possible Heel–Face Turn.
  • A Taste of the Lash: The Confederates liberally employ whipping against anyone they want to punish or get information from, such as a slave named Pete they find walking between plantations without a pass and Dan Pepperill for treating Pete's wounds.

@ Cold Case

  • In "The Letter," did Jonesy mean to Mercy Kill Sadie by smothering her while she was being raped by his white supremacist friends, or was it an accident while he was trying to distract her from what was going on or keep her from yelling out about their relationship in front of the others?
  • When killers like Gibby in "8:03 a.m." and Tina in "That Woman" start crying during their final interrogations, are they just panicking about finally being caught, experiencing belated remorse after hearing their petty motives for killing people and ruining lives put into words, or both?

@ Harry Potter

  • Large Ham talking portrait Sir Cadogan only has a few scenes, mainly in the third book, but is a popular character who adds some nice color to Hogwarts.

@ The Hunger Games

  • The recent male Victor with a training score of 3 and the reaped Victor who Brutus volunteers to replace for the 3rd Quarter Quell only get a single mention apiece and nothing else about them is revealed to the readers, but they often attract a lot of interest and speculation from fans.

Edited by Alpinist on Apr 15th 2024 at 11:29:09 AM

Kingslayer38 Since: Jul, 2023 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
#29284: Apr 14th 2024 at 9:37:36 PM

Chained Soldier

  • Combo Platter Powers: Ren's peach blessing, Vairocana ("The Infinite Universe that puts Everything Together") gives her multiple powers which she can use with Ability Mixing.
    • Flight, allowing her to zip between places.
    • Power Nullification, to nullify other peach blessings.
    • Shockwaves, she can send massive amounts of energy as attacks
    • Combat Clairvoyance, she doesn't have the same degree as Nei, but she can see things from a far away distance.
    • Teleportation: not like the same degree as Tenka, as she cannot teleport herself but she can send others to different locations.

SpiroSpiro Since: Nov, 2022
#29285: Apr 15th 2024 at 4:35:31 AM

Fanfic Recs / Steven Universe

Log Date: 7 46 2 and The Monster Behind The Visor by FanGirlFreak16

  • Recommened by: SpiroSpiro
  • Status: Dormant
  • Synopsis: While Peridot goes on a mission with the Crystal Gems, Lapis gets bored at the barn, decided to sneak into Peridot's room for the first time, and found Peridot's tape recorder. Meanwhile, Peridot has a nightmare and have panic attack for the first time. Takes place before the episode "Raising The Barn".
  • Warning: While the first fic has no offensive content, the second fic has blood.

Edited by SpiroSpiro on Apr 15th 2024 at 4:37:13 AM

Ayumi-chan low-poly Shinri from Calvard (Apprentice) Relationship Status: Serial head-patter
low-poly Shinri
#29286: Apr 15th 2024 at 6:38:17 AM

Painted CGI

  • The 3D models of hololive's talents use painted techniques and shading to make them match their 2D avatars.


Funny.Hololive Holostars English Armis

  • In his Earthbound 1994 stream, Gibby opens the present in Ness' sister's room and surprised that there is a bat in there. This causes him to think of a hypothetical scenario where an actual bat flies out of a present box, complete with him making bat noises.

She/Her | Currently cleaning Char Clone
Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#29287: Apr 15th 2024 at 10:29:06 AM

[up] @Blue Sparkles

...Branch up and make him smile <- no comma after...They also attempt to...

...in order to save Clay and Floyd from Velvet <- no comma even...

...as he realizes they left\...thinking they didn't care about him.

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#29288: Apr 15th 2024 at 10:35:39 AM

[up] @Tylerbear 12

     Corrections 

...rather than being allowed to stand on its own two feet.

...(voiced by humans, <- comma might we add)...

...the Joker was simply treated as just another recurring foe...

^ In this context, "simply" and "just" mean the same thing and are redundant.

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#29289: Apr 15th 2024 at 10:39:59 AM

[up] @Bullman

     Corrections 

...lacks his canon counterpart's redeeming qualities. Despite at first presenting himself to Regina as a kind survivor, Robin is the sadistic leader of a group of cannibals who regularly has his men go out to collect any survivors so as to eat them. Robin has also made several women his personal "pets" <- no comma before ultimately killing them, with him becoming obsessed with Regina and making her his latest pet. Robin also cares nothing for his men, with their deaths only evoking either mild annoyance or indifference from him, <- comma and he nearly strangles his own right-hand man for questioning him. Upon learning that Emma is on her way, Robin attempts to butcher Regina before chasing her around his settlement and attempting to rape and <missing text> her. Even in a world full of smugglers, bandits and zombies, Robin stands out as the worst humanity has to offer.

^ Attempting to rape and what her?

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#29290: Apr 15th 2024 at 10:48:11 AM

[up] @Alpinist

     Corrections 

"that surrounds the Os'. " isn't correct English.

... and started the feud in the first place back in 1999...

...and plants the seeds for the other to have a possible Heel–Face Turn.

^ "lays the groundwork" also works.

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#29291: Apr 15th 2024 at 10:55:48 AM

[up] @Kingslayer 38

     Corrections 

Power Nullifier, to nullify other peach blessings.

Shockwaves, so she can send massive amounts of energy as attacks. <- period

Combat Clairvoyance. <- period She doesn't have it to the same degree as Nei, but she can see things from a far away distance.

Teleportation: Not to the same degree as Tenka, as she cannot teleport herself, <- comma but...

Edited by Arivne on Apr 15th 2024 at 10:56:53 AM

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#29292: Apr 15th 2024 at 10:59:34 AM

[up] @Spiro Spiro

Lapis gets bored at the barn, decides to...and finds Peridot's tape recorder...nightmare and have panic attack...

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#29293: Apr 15th 2024 at 11:01:33 AM

[up] @Ayumi-chan

...sister's room and is surprised that there is a bat in the box.

Edited by Arivne on Apr 15th 2024 at 11:01:53 AM

Bullman "Cool. Coolcoolcool." Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
#29294: Apr 15th 2024 at 1:10:45 PM

Thanks Arivne. For the Complete Monster thread:

  • Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire: Garraka is an ancient ghost who once helped a king conquer other kingdoms before his actions scared the king so much that he was betrayed and stripped of his horns. Swearing vengeance on all of humanity, Garraka came up with a way to freeze all of humanity using fear before being imprisoned by the Firemasters in an orb. Trying to escape in the present day, Garraka releases the Possessor to cause havoc all over New York. Caring nothing for his fellow ghosts, Garraka has no problem using his power to force them to do what he wants, and lies to Melody so that she will trick Phoebe into temporally becoming a ghost so that Garraka can use her body to finish the chant needed to free him. Planning on releasing all of the ghosts that the Ghostbusters have captured, Garraka tries to freeze the whole of New York and brutally murders a random man due to mistaking him for the last Firemaster. Completely freezing all of the comedy whenever he shows up, Garraka is one of the worst enemies that the Ghostbusters have ever faced.

Any corrections?

Edited by Bullman on Apr 15th 2024 at 3:33:19 AM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Tylerbear12 Just a guy. from The Green Hills. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Just a guy.
#29295: Apr 15th 2024 at 2:02:02 PM

Thanks, Arivne.

Grandfather Clause:

  • Sonic the Hedgehog:
    • Despite humans having been mostly phased out in The New '10s, Dr. Eggman remains a hugely prominent figure in the franchise, as his status as the franchise's Big Bad makes him too iconic and integral to the franchise for him to be taken out entirely, not to mention he's been the Token Human from the series' beginning and long before humans became more central to the plots. It helps that Dr. Eggman remains a fan favorite, while the other human characters are divisive at best, and hated at worst. This also extends to parts of the fandom, with many older fans hating the idea of humans in the franchise, but being okay with Dr. Eggman (and only Eggman) due to his longevity and Big Bad status. Gerald and Maria Robotnik also get a pass from fans by virtue of being relatives to Dr. Eggman (and being dead).

  • While Fake Interactivity has become an increasingly Discredited Trope (and it's mostly only used in parodies nowadays), Blue's Clues & You! and Dora are amongst the only modern preschool shows to play it straight, largely because their predecessors were the ones that made it popular in the first place and it has become too integral to their formulas for it to be removed.


YMMV.Hundreds Of Beavers:

Edited by Tylerbear12 on Apr 17th 2024 at 5:49:01 AM

Alpinist Since: Jul, 2023
#29296: Apr 15th 2024 at 6:21:48 PM

Thanks

@ Cold Case

  • In "Saving Patrick Bubley," is Letecia really a Love Martyr for the murderous and unfaithful Miguel, or does she stay with him out of fear that he'll hurt her if she leaves him? She has little good to say about him and seems to be perfectly happy during her Maybe Ever After moment with his cousin after Miguel's arrest.
  • In "WASP," is Iris's desire to avoid a scandal regarding her unit really out of feminism and a desire to make opportunities for future generations of women, or is preserving her own career and status at least part of her motivation?
  • In "Discretion," did Detective Martin really coerce a false confession while thinking Antonio was guilty or (given how there was a period of a day or two between when he questioned Antonio and then forced that confession), did he get a lead on the real culprits but take a bribe to pin their crime on a scapegoat? It would add an even nastier dimension to his refusal to pursue any leads leading to them.

@ Wendell & Wild

  • Alternate Character Interpretation: Is Father Bests' preoccupation with keeping the school open out of concern for the wellbeing of his students, staff, community, or some combination of the three? Or does he just want to keep his cushy job? On a related note, what exactly is his role in the brewery fire? Did he agree to falsely vouch for the Klaxons after the fire or beforehand (meaning he had a chance to stop it but didn't)? If he only vouched for them afterward, did he know they were the arsonists, choose to be willfully blind, or honestly think they were innocent (in which case his comment about vouching for them could be a reminder that he stood by them when they were under suspicion that they took entirely the wrong way)?
  • Base-Breaking Character: Fans either love Manberg for his badass past and Pet the Dog moments or hate him for his exploitation of other characters, with the fact that he is the only Jewish character in the movie adding heat to both sides of the argument.
  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character: Natalia and the rest of the town council have spent years serving in a Mayor of a Ghost Town role while thwarting the Klaxons and having some kind of skills that have kept the Klaxons from simply assassinating them (with Natalia also investigating the Klaxons), but they only have a few minutes of combined screentime, little of which shows them at their most interesting.

@ The Boxtrolls

@ The Boxtrolls

  • There's something somber about the way Mr. Pickles sounds less and less confident about being the good guy as he discusses the duality of good and evil, even as he wants to believe he is.

@ The Hunger Games

  • Team Pet Buttercup's dynamics with the Everdeen sisters wins him more fans than many human characters.

@ Fallout (2024)

Edited by Alpinist on Apr 16th 2024 at 2:15:05 AM

Ayumi-chan low-poly Shinri from Calvard (Apprentice) Relationship Status: Serial head-patter
low-poly Shinri
#29297: Apr 15th 2024 at 9:58:43 PM

Thanks Arvine!


hololive - holostars English -ARMIS-

  • Goldbullet's EarthBound (1994) stream contains some rather silly moments, considering the nature of the game.
    • Gibby nearly looses it when the realizes that one of the party members is name Poo.
    • When entering Porky's house, he spends a good chunk of time criticizing the tacky layout of his house.

Edited by Ayumi-chan on Apr 16th 2024 at 4:13:46 PM

She/Her | Currently cleaning Char Clone
EmperorGeode Not the Eye from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
Not the Eye
#29298: Apr 16th 2024 at 2:24:37 AM

For Complete Monster.

  • Lasting Marks (link): Keeper Agruss is just as sadistic as in series. He has Torguta colonists of Kiros enslaved in his slave processing facility, having Torguta’s off all ages busjected to horrible work while monistored by his sadistic guards, killing all who are unable to work. When Obi Wan Kenobi and Captain Rex are sent ot his facility, Agruss orders his guards to punish Torgutas any time they show resistance in order to break Kenobi’s spirit, at one point killing Torguta teenager in fron of him. When Jedi and the Republic attack facility to free slaves, Agruss threatens lives of the imprisoned Torguta, destroying control panel which could save them when Obi Wan and Rex rebel after weeks of torment and mocking traumatised Kenobi that Jedi can’t attack unarmed man.

For Star Wars: The Clone Wars YMMV page.

  • Base-Breaking Character: Martez sisters. Some fans like them for their dinamic with Ashoka and perspective they provide on the Clone Wars and failings of the Jedi Order. Others however dislike them for what they see as idiotic and reckless decisions, the fact they took up an entire arc of the final season with their antics, and a perceived lack of depth.

BlueSparkles Since: Dec, 2023
#29299: Apr 16th 2024 at 9:41:57 AM

Trolls Band Together:

  • Big Brother Instinct:
    • John Dory happily watches Bruce tease and mess with Branch.
    • Bruce smiles with delight when he sees Clay playing with Branch's face.
  • Heartwarming: Branch and Clay doing most of the singing of It Takes Two shows that they are the most happy to be reunited as a family before John Dory and Bruce joined in.
  • Jerkass Realization: John Dory, Bruce and Clay have been treating Branch like a baby since they reunited with him. However, after Branch called them out for their selfish behavior, John Dory, Bruce and Clay not only realize how badly they hurt their brother, but realize that they were being insensitive jerks to him.
    • John Dory and Bruce are hit by this trope the most, as they realize that they have been selfish jerks for thinking about themselves instead of their younger brothers, especially when they realize that they exposed Branch and Floyd to danger.

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#29300: Apr 16th 2024 at 11:37:03 AM

[up] @Bullman

I don't see any English mistakes in that example.


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