Subpages cleanup: Complete Monster

Everybody from Reid to here.

Pope, Viera, Pierre.

Here's a cut we may have to make. It was from a grandfathered-in-entry, and while he's bad, I'm just not sure he's heinous enough. Charlie Lynch from JAG. Looking at the transcripts of his eps, I'm not even sure he's a Serial Killer. He kills a little kid by stomping and choking her, kills 3 more women, and tried to kill said girl's sister. 4 murders and one attempted, even if the first and the attempted are of young children, I'm just not sure is bad enough for the universe. I mean, look at, say, Daniel Budd or Pritam Mondal.

Thoughts? At the very least, the Serial Killer pothole should probably be change or just removed.

edited 18th Jan '18 4:43:58 PM by ACW

Well, he counts as a serial killer if he has murdered 4 or more people. Put me as an abstain.

Well, good luck with the Maker effortpost Ravok, I think people just didn't bother because of the reputation the Ultimate verse has and how convoluted it is.

Which would be a shame really, I think this was one of the cases where they're aiming for a genuinely complex CM given the stuff that appears on Ultimate!Reed's character page but failed on every level.

Eh, I'm not really worried about the pothole as much as if he's heinous enough. There's nothing that I could see that establishes a pattern. Now, his killing of the kid IS brutal. I honestly could go either way, but I feel like it's something that should mentioned (especially since he was never effortposted; his entry goes back to 2012).

edited 18th Jan '18 4:56:46 PM by ACW

I don't really have much to say on the matter I actually haven't watched JAG could go either way

I don't know the JAG-verse, but I know NCIS takes place in the same continuity.

If they are in the same universe, but no knowledge of the other series is necessary to understand the other, I think that both series have their own heinous standard.

Also, I was reading the Sword Art Online page and I was thinking about two things.

1) Which is the single series that had produced more Complete Monster?

2) There some issues with the info of Quinella and Gabriel, is my fault for not expressing myself properly.

edited 18th Jan '18 5:27:53 PM by KazuyaProta

Yeah, I'm not going to exclude a keeper for JAG based on NCIS, anymore than I'll exclude the villains from Constantine because of Zoom

What IS so bad about Ultiamte Reed? I hear he's one of the few good things about the post ultimatum ultimates

Yes to Pope, and I'm looking forward to that Ultimate Reed effortpost. At the risk of ruining my credibility, after reading through a bunch of Ultimate Marvel and a few of his 616 appearances he's one of the few aspects of the Ultimate universe I actually like. Mainly because I really really love seeing a version of Mr. Fantastic take his abilities to the most horrific extreme and pull off all sorts of disturbing body horror shenanigans. But I also liked Ultimate Doom's goat legs, so what do I know?

Also, I took a look at the images section and noticed that this◊ image of Grodd wasn't posted there despite only receiving approval. Did he not get enough upvotes or something? Well, here's the picture again for those who didn't weigh in the first time.

edited 18th Jan '18 5:18:45 PM by FriedWarthog

"Ultimate Doom's goat legs"...come again?

My main concern with the image is that the word bubbles will be too small once the image gets resized.

ACW: Behold.◊

WTF did I just see?

What's that image from? I give it a BTW. I'll submit that, Amon, and (if nobody says to cut it) remove the Serial Killer pothole from Lynch.

edited 18th Jan '18 5:32:05 PM by ACW

The Megatron from the comic I was reading does not count. There is a moment where he tells Starscream that he expects him to betray him one day and take over, and he tells Starscream that he will one day succeed, but that he needs to learn how to be a skilled fighter and leader. Yeah, not what a CM would say.

I do have a candidate though. From the 2010 film, Goblin.

Who is the candidate and what do they do?

The titular goblin. It was summoned by a witch in 1841 after her infant son was killed in a bonfire in an event to purge the town of all things evil and ugly. This was because the baby was deformed. Enraged, the witch summoned the goblin and placed a curse on the town so that the goblin would appear every Halloween to claim the town's children and infants and kill any adults and teenagers it came across. The goblin takes the children to the Netherworld to slowly drain them for energy over time. Eventually, the witch came to realize the error of her ways, however, she could not get the goblin to stop, so she tried to kill it. Unfortunately, she died before she could succeed.

Fast forward to present day, and the town now locks up everything on Halloween night, as the people stay in their homes to avoid the goblin. The goblin has claimed many children and infants, as shown in a newspaper. The Perkins family moves into the town to develop it. The family consists of Neil, his wife Kate, their teenage daughter Nikki, and the infant Nathan. Nikki's best friend Cammy is with them. The drunk Charlie, a descendant of the witch, tries to get them to leave but they don't listen.

The Goblin returns the day of Halloween, and starts by killing a father and his wife and kidnapping their son. It soon attacks Cammy in the woods, killing her and two people with her. It is soon discovered that Nathan is missing. The goblin later attacks the home and impales Kate with a shard of glass, which she later dies from. The goblin continues to attack Nikki, and Kyle, her boyfriend, who just happened to be staying in the village as well. Eventually, it kills another man who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Charlie comes and helps Nikki and Kyle. He tells them that his ancestor, the witch, created a spear to kill the goblin, but it must be driven into its heart. He also tells them that the goblin couldn't have taken Nathan since it's still after them. The goblin attacks, and Charlie stays back to hold it off while Nikki and Kyle go to find Nathan.

Nikki and Kyle discover that Nathan was taken by the wife of the sheriff, with the couple hoping to try and exchange Nathan for their son Alex. They lock Kyle and Nikki up in a room, along with Neil. Fortunately, Charlie, having survived his encounter with the goblin, finds and frees them.

The four find the sheriff and his wife trying to give the goblin Nathan in exchange for Alex. The goblin seems to agree, as Alex appears before the couple. However, it turns out that it's just an illusion the goblin created to give them a Hope Spot, as it disappears. It is revealed that the goblin doesn't actually take the children to the Netherworld, he traps their souls in his body. This means that he couldn't give them back Alex even if he wanted to, but he acted like he could and was going to just to mess with them.

Charlie runs up and stabs the goblin with the spear, but he misses the heart, only injuring the goblin, though this frees some of the souls from his body. The goblin kills Charlie, the sheriff, and his wife. Kyle, Nikki, and Neil escape with Nathan, with the goblin in pursuit.

The goblin attacks and kills Kyle, but Nikki is able to kill him by attaching the spear to a car and ramming the goblin into a tree with it, piercing his heart, which frees the remaining souls from his body as he dematerializes.

Heinousness?

The goblin kills many adults and devours the souls of children and infants. We see the souls of numerous children escape its body, and we see newspapers detailing the missing children and infants. He cruelly kills his adult victims by disemboweling them, and pretends to give the sheriff and his wife back their child before revealing this is something he can't do.

Moral Agency?

The goblin acted on its own accord, as the witch was not able to get it to stop after realizing the error of her ways. She instead had to create a magical spear that could be used to kill it.

Generic Doomsday Villain?

The goblin does not speak, and for most of the film, it does indeed seem like this. At the climax however, it shows a sadistic side when it pretends to give back Alex before it's revealed that it was an illusion and that his soul is in the goblins body. This was needlessly cruel, giving them a Hope Spot just to torment them. It earlier snuck up on a man and waited for him to turn around and notice it before killing him. I think that these two acts of sadism are just barely enough to show that it has a personality.

I am now correcting some mistakes caused for my fault at expressing myself in the Sword Art Online page.

With Quinella , everything is fine except this bit:

Quinella transforms thousands of people (including familiars of her own Integrity Knights) into swords and forms a Golem out of them, her victims conscious in their new form.

Quinella and her Golem are a massively heinous act, probably one of the most heinous that I have read but is not quite like that.

The Golem is powered for The Power of Love, Quinella had drove crazy to the souls of the poor persons inside of it making them obsessed with Love, Destructive Love. The souls believe that they are protecting ther loved ones, that is why the Golem is so violent and dangerous, it is powered for a distorsion of The Power of Love and, in a franchise that loves mentioning it, is certainly worth mentioning. Also, she wanted produce it in mass, the Golem that we saw was just a Prototype, Quinella wanted created a lot more of them, repeating the process with hundreds of persons from her own population for every single Golem.

Also, is not "even with", the souls of the original Sword Golem are the souls of her Integrity Knights purposely, all of them were the loved ones of her Knights in their original life, she did that to turn the Knights into Un-person s, a legend at best. Because if someone recognized them as Integrity Knights, they will start to suspect about the brainwashing. Is still horryfing, and actually even worse, because she does that with the Champions of the Four Empires Unity Tournament that she helps to organizate, the real price of the tournament is getting braiwashed and getting your family Driven to Madness, and she was doing that for centuries.

Quinella is one of those villains whose actions become worse when you think about it, also, is worth mentioning that Kirito and the The Big Good actually thinks that destroying the entire Underworld is a Mercy Kill compared to living in a world where she rules? He dont like the idea but when compared to letting Quinella rule, he thinks on it as Plan B.

For Gabriel , the only error is the line "sending his melee fighter", what happened is that he send a entire army of them, a entire army send to a ridicuously dangerous mission that killed a lot of them.

edited 18th Jan '18 6:09:41 PM by KazuyaProta

That version of Megatron would never have counted anyway, as he pulls a Heel–Face Turn in later IDW comics and as far as I know, he's still a member of the Autobots.

edited 18th Jan '18 6:00:30 PM by chasemaddigan

I said yes

I know that I am not a regular poster, but I think that I know the criteria enough to qualify someone, so I say yes.

Also, is fine propose villains from a story that dont have a page? The movie that you proposed dont seems to have a page. I want do the same but I dont know if it is correct.

edited 18th Jan '18 6:01:38 PM by KazuyaProta

Yes, it is.

I'm kinda...unsure of the Goblin. Losing control of it does not mean it has agency

edited 18th Jan '18 6:10:26 PM by Lightysnake

No to Goblin. I am not convinced that it has agency.

Goblin, due to agency issues.

edited 18th Jan '18 6:50:00 PM by JoeBlitz

Funny how I was considering watching the film in my spare time. Goblin.

to the Goblin. It's agency seems sketchy and I'm not sure if two sadistic acts are enough to truly establish a personality.