During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Second villain for tonight...with apologies to Emperors, since this is a really bad movie.
What's the Work?
Ultraviolet is a 2006 film by Kurt "Equilibrium" Wimmer, starring Milla Jovovich as Violet. Years ago, a plague ran out that turned those infected into vamp- I'm sorry, Hemophages...people with enhanced strength, speed, toxic blood, fangs and-....oh, fuck it, they're vampires. IT's also ultimately fatal.
Our heroine, Violet, lost her husband in the early days of the plague, and her unborn child after she's experimented on. Eventually, she joins the Hemophage resistance against the evil Archministry which has taken over the government, led by...Ferdinand Daxus.
Who Is He? What's He Do?
Vice-Cardinal Ferdinand Daxus is the leader of the arch-ministry. Once a lowly lab technician, Daxus was the one who discovered the virus, after infecting himself. Hiding his condition as a hemophage, Daxus also developed a cure for the inevitable death and...only used it on himself. Rising through the ranks thanks, Daxus took over the Ministry and enacted hideously evil policies. Demonizing the hemophages as monsters, Daxus rounded them up, had laws enacted to identify them and sent them into concentration camps to be experimented upon and be exterminated. Only a few now remain by the start of the film, those that remain fighting back.
Now, the big issue Daxus is facing? No more hemophages, nothing to be scared of...well, he has a solution. The hemophages end up attacking his forces and steal his secret weapon: a little boy named Six. Daxus claims the boy to be his son to Violet...apparently he holds a cure for the hemophage condition. It turns out this is a lie. He does have an antigen in him, but it's one deadly to humans. And he's not Daxus's son, but his clone. The sixth of eight with a limited lifespan. Daxus plans to dissect Six, and harvest the antigen before...spreading it as a new plague. To target humans, declaring to Violet that those who survive will do anything, submitting to the Ministry, begging Daxus to save them.
Violet manages to escape with Six, whose lifespan seemingly runs out. Daxus arrives, shoots Violet fatally (so he thinks) and orders Six's body taken away for dissection, before ordering a team to come and incinerate Violet's 'corpse'...her hemophage friends instead save her and she storms Daxus's compound, where she learns Six is still alive and saves him, massacring all of Daxus's men (I'm serious about 'massacre'...Violet may literally have the single highest bodycount in film history), before she engages Daxus who reveals himself as a hemophage in a sword fight with her. Trying to kill Violet in a fight scene I'm sure they thought would be awesome (people with flaming swords sounds cool!....when the room is realistically plunged into total darkness, it's REAL confusing), and Violet ends up slicing Daxus down the middle after setting him on fire.
Heinous Standard?
Only bad guy. Sets it. And, y'know, massively over the line
Freudian Excuse?
Nope.
Mitigating Qualities?
Power and control. At one point, he gives a bit of a rant to Violet about how 'chaotic' things would be without the ministry, but under it is a clear, vicious contempt for the idea people can decide their own lives without him making decisions and Violet sees through it.
It's rather hollow as, y'know, the world's only in danger and chaotic thanks to Daxus himself.
Conclusion?
Terrible movie. Easy keeper.
RIP Toriyama
A Yes to Daxus, and Shyamalamadingdong is indeed a Keeper.
Oh, and a late 'Yes' to Sven as well.
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Attempted body count is in the billions, while succeeded easily goes into the thousands, maybe even millions. We see countless buildings destroyed by the Ryunka, dozens upon dozens of people liquefied onscreen, and Tokyo itself is left horrifically devastated by the end.
edited 22nd Mar '17 9:21:53 PM by Ravok
Tonight I dine on monkey soup.
Ultimate Moral Compass
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To Shyamalama-ding-dong and Ferdinand Daxus
Hey Lighty, was the version of UV you saw the extended cut, or the theatrical cut?
edited 22nd Mar '17 9:14:07 PM by therealjackieboy
"No running in the halls!"
Shyamalan and Daxus
- Blood of Beasts: Sven is the finest warrior in a Norse tribe, and betrothed to Princess Freya. While hunting for the beast Agnar, Sven leaves his king to die so he can claim the throne more quickly. His consolidation of power involves him threatening his supposed best friend's life if he talks about the battle and declaring that Freya will join him in Forced Marriage and bear him many children. When Freya rescues her father at the cost of her own capture, Sven decides to kill the king. He never gets the chance, though, because he has to join his fellow tribesmen in rescuing Freya so he can maintain his image, though he does take the time to declare that he will kill anybody who calls him a coward. The army rescue Freya and Sven leads them in seemingly killing Agnar, but the beast survives. This culminates in a duel on his and Freya's wedding, leading to Sven mortally sounding Freya in an attempted Mutual Kill on Agnar.
edited 22nd Mar '17 9:19:01 PM by DemonDuckofDoom
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
Satyajit Shyamalan and Daxus.
Ultraviolet was better than Aeon Flux, so I guess that's something. Which is like comparing Tomato Way with Potato Thriller, but hey.
I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
No clue. It was about 90 minutes, so I assume theatrical.
Ultimate Moral Compass
Yup, that's theatrical. The extended version is about 2 hours.
Shyamalan and Daxus both get
So what agency issue does Ryunka have
edited 22nd Mar '17 9:54:40 PM by G-Editor
Well, it's literally a sentient weapon. And this line: "I have one desire. To bring peace and quiet to this chaotic universe... because I long for silence."
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
DDD: Drafts please.
Shyamalan. Sounds selfish to me. If I wanted quiet, doesn't mean I can just kill everyone 
Daxus. So he wants power and control, which he gets by killing all hemophages....even though he is one himself? BTW, apparently Violet kills at least 220.
edited 23rd Mar '17 12:50:05 AM by ACW
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Shyamalan and Daxus.
The Merry Monarch of Darkness
Ferdinand Daxus. How is he the overall leader if he's only the Vice-Cardinal?
One of those questions that's never really answered.
Like why he wears this really, really dumb and distracting thing on his nose.
Messenger from another dimension.
Aye to Sven and both Lighty's candidates.
Welcome to the world of greatest media!
Daxus and, I never thought I'd say this, Shyamalan.
Wait.
Lighty. I thought we weren't meant to take potshots. But you poked fun at M. Night! What gives?
Here I am stepping on eggshells because I got jumped on for poking a little fun at Garth Ennis... Though that Oscar gag was poorly timed, I regret that.
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I haven't seen it, but Ultraviolet has a midriff-baring Milla Jovovich kicking ass! How do you mess that up?
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Anything can be messed up. Just look at Game of Thrones Season 5.
"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and kills
Messenger from another dimension.
Well, it wasn't that bad... just a little boring and last three episodes saved it.
Mainly, I was talking about Dorne, particularly the Sand Snakes and bad fighting choreography.
"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and kills
This is not a discussion for that, guys.
Sorry about that, guys.
"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and kills
Daxus, Shyamalan
I was gonna say Umbridge never killed anyone, but she actually sent God knows how many people to their deaths, so...yeah she did.
Okay.
Future? PLEASE stop. Enough with the random stream of thought that has nothing to do with what we're discussing.
Billions? Okay I have to ask how many of that is offscreen?NVM I say![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]")
for M Blight Shyamalan here
edited 22nd Mar '17 8:58:17 PM by MorningStar1337