This is the thread we use to talk things over with people who have received a suspension notice. A lot of the time the notice goes out just so we can explain how seriously we take certain things, not because we want the person to feel bad and go away.
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Edited by Synchronicity on Jul 15th 2023 at 11:35:01 AM
Why was I suspended?
Lost in Space
~Fangusu: For deleting the Real Life section of Cloudcuckoolander without seeking consensus from the Real Life cleanup thread.
edited 8th May '15 6:07:38 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
So, anything?
I feel like I'm being strung along here, no one is responding to any points i've brought up or suggestions i've made. Or explaining why I'm still banned.
Thank you for replying to my previous message. Again, I will try to make sure my edits actually have context to them and explain how they apply to specific tropes rather than being broad about it. I'll be more careful. Please let me edit again.
I have understood everything. May I have another chance to do better?
Chair Man
@ Septimus Heap: Sorry for the late reply, beforehand.
About what you asked me... well, I've seen a number of appearance tropes before and yeah, the examples sound problematic most of the time. Indeed, "underdefinition" seems to be the chief problem among them. And about what the other mod said about "Tvtropes is more interested in meaningful patterns of things", yeah, I can't deny that it is important.
As for your second question... well, I surfed down the Administrivia index and I can't find anything satisfying for "Tvtropes' standards on what's tropable" or "what defines a trope" (the page Trope doesn't delve deeply into it, unfortunately).
About trope names, though, I recalled when I asked "does it sound too idealistic to assume that people will read the description before adding examples?" and one of the mods (forgot which) says along the lines of "doing so is right, but in practice it rarely seems to happen." And then some other guy says that having a very indicative trope name would prevent, or at least reduce, bad examples. I pointed out that that is merely going around the issue instead of truly resolving it...
...But over time I seem to really accept that kind of thinking, with that "going around the issue" rationale as well. I wasn't that vehement on what makes a good trope name before (that's why I previously was a KNIVES guy) but over time (mainly through ykttw discussions) I realized that my place is at SPOON. (That was after they are all put into the TABLE, though)
Conclusion: I'm still seeking for answers.
MAX POWER KILL JEEEEEEEEWWWWW
Why was I suspended?
You seem to be obsessed with trying to paint Pikachu as The Scrappy in a variety of articles.
"Yup. That tasted purple."
Addressing some old issues:
@DAN 004: We do have complaints that you don't understand tropes and tend to define tropes by their names. Can you stop doing this? Your reply is in the right direction but entirely convincing it's not yet.
@Fangusu: OK. Lifting the suspension. The topic where Real Life sections are discussed is here by the way.
@quackytrope: I'll take your word here. Lifting suspension.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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I agree that Pikachu isn't The Scrappy, but it is definitely a Base Breaker. As such, there are some tropes that generally apply to Scrappies that had similar effects on Pikachu, such as the Pikachu in Pokkén Tournament redeeming the character to some older fans (hence Rescued from the Scrappy Heap).
In order to qualify for Scrappy-related tropes, does the character have to be an actual Scrappy rather than a Base Breaker? I've seen similar entries on the Avengers: Age of Ultron YMMV page concerning Black Widow and Hawkeye, two characters who are even less hated than Pikachu.
edited 11th May '15 6:42:06 AM by Darthrai
Hi. Got suspended today over grammar and stuff. English is not my main language so I understand that it might be difficult and I might make mistakes.
I think I can probably improve but will need practice.
If this wiki is only for English language speakers, then ok.
Greetings,
it's not just for English speakers, but it does require a good standard of English. We can't let people with grammar or spelling problems edit the wiki as it degrades the quality of our articles.
We do have a help thread here for the record.
"Good Standard" of English is what you say, some thing that is variable or depend on the each person's own views?
I suppose its my fault, my English is not good and spelling, Grammar such as are quite difficult.
So in effect you must have proper english to particpate.
I will stay away then 
. Please withdraw my Appeal
Acrobox, here are the issues with you.
You were banned from the wiki for edit warring on Competitive Balance and Power at a Price, so that's both controversy and rudeness.
Tropes CANNOT be purely asthetic. We are currently working to remove any such lists from the wiki right now. You are misusing Garnishing the Story and your inability to grasp this even after repetitive warnings is part of why you're no longer allowed in YKTTW and TRS.
Tropes do not chance over time the way you're thinking of them. Yes, we sometimes tweak definitions for clarity, or split tropes, but that doesn't mean we just randomly redefine them using our own personal dictionaries as you seem prone to championing. This is why you were banned from the TRS for your derailing of the competitive balance clean up.
Yes, you were very active in the YKTTW, but your activities consisted primarily of making things that weren't tropes, and creating more messes for us to clean up down the line. That's not helpful.
It's not a matter of bullying or respect. It's a matter of the fact that your opinions are the opposite of wiki policy and are not ones that are allowed in page creation, TRS, or wiki editing.
edited 11th May '15 12:09:23 PM by shimaspawn
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
I'd like to formally apologize for the fact that I kinda started an Edit War on the Kamen Rider Drive heartwarming page. That wasn't cool of me. I feel I should mention that TV-Nihon's inaccurate translations are something of a Berserk Button for me and a good chunk of the fanbase and combined with the fact that I was having a really bad day I made a lapse in judgement and got incredibly rude. I apologize and promise that I'll try better to avoid that in the future.
edited 11th May '15 1:29:45 PM by hellwolf99
Not exactly sure why I was suspended, but it would be nice to be able to edit again.
Lost in Space
~Darthrai: Your ill feelings towards the Pokemon franchise are well known, both on this handle and on your previous one. This time you seem to be fixated on whether Pikachu is considered a Scrappy, or a Base Breaker, or whatever, but what will it be next time? I don't really think you've internalized the message we're trying to send: you are not permitted to override trope definitions because of your personal opinions.
~hellwolf99: Hmm, okay. That's a good start. Will you contribute to the discussion about these translations rather than edit war in the article? Also, please bear in mind that these matters are not as important, in the big picture, as you seem to think.
~Peridonyx: You have been removing comment markup on Zero Context Examples despite messages warning you about them. We consider this vandalism.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
@Fighteer: Sadly, I didn't know about that trope, nor did I intend to vandalize anything. I've seen countless examples of just "[Name]", so I guess I assumed that was just a status quo around here. But thank you for bringing that to my attention, and I apologize for inconveniencing any moderators. And hopefully, you'll consider giving me the opportunity to demonstrate such.
edited 11th May '15 3:05:31 PM by Peridonyx
Ii was working in adding a fanfiction and it's own trope page to a fanfic rec page suddenly all my work is deleted and I'm banned from trying to redo it. I honestly did not try to do anything wrong. Can the site lift my suspension.
@Fighteer Yeah, I'll do my best to talk out the whole translation thing in the future. And it really isn't that big a deal isn't it? I really blew that whole thing out of proportion.
edited 14th May '15 8:05:03 PM by hellwolf99
@Fighteer: My intention was never to override trope definitions. It's more likely that I misused tropes out of a lack of understanding (such as applying Scrappy-related tropes to characters whose hatedoms are not universal), rather than intentionally abusing tropes in the wrong context to bend people towards my bias. However, I do admit that I focused too much on the "hate" side of things rather than helping give a balanced, objective description of the fanbase's opinion of Pikachu, so was this also part of the problem?
In any case, the most recent actions related to Pikachu that I can recall are:
- Adding it to the Super Smash Bros. page. I don't really see what's wrong with this, since Pikachu is indeed loved and hated by different factions, and the page lists a whole bunch of other Base Breakers (including characters that I am not biased against).
- Adding more detail to Pikachu's entry under Base Breaker on the Pokémon page, on how its fans find it to be "unhateable". This is based on what I saw of the general attitude towards it on 4chan, where people seem generally react better to cuddly, cozy things than "edgy" ones.
- Re-adding a Rescued from the Scrappy Heap entry for Pikachu on the Pokkén Tournament page. This one is where I'm guessing the suspension mostly came from, since it fits with what you're saying about overriding trope definitions. However, I honestly wasn't aware that the trope can't apply to non-Scrappies; there's nothing on the trope's page that draws attention to such a rule, and I've seen it applied to other non-Scrappies (such as Charizard and the aforementioned Black Widow and Hawkeye). In fact, Charizard itself was previously listed as a Scrappy, but doesn't qualify for the trope for similar reasons to Pikachu since its hatedom isn't universal.
Are there any problems I haven't mentioned that need to be addressed? And is there something I don't really understand here? I honestly don't see what's wrong with labeling Pikachu as a Base Breaker, as long as, like you said, one doesn't abuse negative tropes that technically don't apply to it and as long as one doesn't unilaterally describe the "hate" side of things, which might have been another one of my mistakes. In any case, I'm sorry for not carefully considering the actual definition of a trope before adding it.
edited 11th May '15 6:53:28 PM by Darthrai
~Darthrai: In addition to the Scrappy thing, I am somewhat unimpressed by the fact you keep getting messages about Word Cruft and Example Indentation issues.
~Tropers/{{333critic}}: Well, you kept recreating your page in the wrong Namespace and with no description of the work and when it was removed from the recommendation page you edit warred back in with a poorly capitalized comment and a link to an ad hoc snippy "do not remove" page. I just think you need to learn the ropes better before you can go creating work pages.
Also, folks in Ask The Tropers wonder whether you are the author of the fic. Fanfic rec pages don't accept self-recommendations.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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I'm terribly sorry for any damage that I have done to anyone on this site. I would greatly like to come back. That is, if you'll let me.
My game. I reckon it's gonna be a big one
Chair Man
@ Septimus Heap: Indeed, I already talked about it. I'm just being "most other tropers" when I say that I find the meaning of the tropes from their names.
While I would agree that I have to understand tropes better, it still leaves the issue of others who still define tropes by their name. I've seen a lot of discussions about naming tropes, that's why I come into the conclusion that most tropers agree that trope names really define the trope.
I just hope that you understand my line of thinking. I don't expect you to agree.
Or can I just take the Small Steps Hero path and "just do good by yourself if you can't convince others"? As in, am I just gonna ignore those people if they're wrong?
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"Second is your frankly bizarre behavior in Ask The Tropers, such as your insistence on having policy debates on settled issues and talking about arbitrarily redefining tropes to unrelated concepts. I'm not sure if you think you're being helpful, but you aren't."
I was not under until you told me that ask the Tropers wasn't for having discussions of that nature. I was under the understanding that it was for that sort of thing.
"The fact that you are sockpuppeting (Powerful Kyurem is your other handle) makes me wonder about your motives. I just don't get what you're up to, and that makes us as mods very uncomfortable."
I'd rather not go into my reasons for abandoning that account but is not due to any ill will or violations towards this site. It's just not best for me to use that account anymore. It's best for it to just remain shoved off to the side as dead monstrosity it currently is. I'd rather not discuss my reasons and it really has no bussiness in this discussion. I changed my account/username. Everyone on here that knew is fairly aware of it and it's no secret.
My game. I reckon it's gonna be a big one