Kyon: Big Damn Hero

Yes... Making it so that Ryoko becomes very close to Nonoko...

Wait... Blue haired cousin? Why does Matsuri come to mind when people say that?

Also, about the thing about explaining said supernatural powers to Kyon's parents as ESPer abilities... Would Sasaki eventually buy into that, with the caveat that they could state that her own power is currently identified as "probability negation", an ability that specifically halts any ability that is outside the user's perceived notion of reality, making her power a danger for anyone else that has a power of their own.

And I just thought of a brilliant way to trick Sasaki to accept the supernatural...

1. Find a area where a certain scientific process is known and used, and normal people can confirm that it is real and should be impossible to not notice it's malfunction/absence.

2. Place recording devices in the area, to show the process in action.

3. Show Sasaki the area that it would take place and the scientific process behind it.

4. Using a simple magician's trick (basically hypnosis), have her simply no longer believe in that particular process (see the Real Life section of There Are Four Lights for the explaination behind it), activating her Power Nullifier towards said process, and leave a trigger to undo the effect with Sasaki fully recalling the events during hypnosis.

5. Take Sasaki to the area with said process, and let the Power Nullifier do it's thing, causing it to shut down.

6. Activate the trigger, and see what happens...

If the effect of her power undoes itself, and there is no way to explain how the malfunction could of happened, then that should be enough.

If the effect of her power remains, then have her taken to another area and show her the tape of what happened, complete with eye witnesses from random people who were there at the time about what happened for collaboration. People who would have no reason to lie, because they did not know that this would happen at all. If her power undoes itself on the object afterwards(her observation is no longer on it, remember), take her back and show that no one has done anything to it since her departure...

Okay, so this part is trickier than I thought. Blame it on my sleepiness, kitsu...

Edit: Gah!!! Double Ninja'd!!! *

edited 17th Jan '12 7:26:32 PM by MadKitsu

Pedobastards make fan art. All investigators get -1 SAN.

edited 17th Jan '12 7:02:53 PM by PaxEmpyrean

That second pic, adorable.

Yeah, loli-Asakura is adorable. ...Reminds me of Rika. Knife and all... And this form would be useful to be able to look for Nonoko and advance relationships with Kyon and rest of the brigade. For added bonus, actualToken Loli! But there is a small detail… Right now Ryoko’s bound form is of a vital importance, as advance warning mechanism about slider visits. Not to mention her role as Kyon’s equipment’s brain. So, unless Skynet achieves full sentence and gets a cute virtual avatar of its own, Ryoko is most useful while remaining in her current form.

Well, how Kyon's parents would handle the supernatural side of his life heavily relies on what the @#$ he is. They may know (and have done) a lot more than they let their children know (and wanted to spare children from same fate). And that could lead to Nonoko receiving proper Magical Girl powers independent of her brother tools... After all, as it is now,if she wants to continue helping out, she either has to borrow Kyon's equipment, leaving him underpowered or Brigade needs to process another sliderbot or two. Or assign full-powered Interface to provide the powers..

On the other hand, if they are normal-normals, no magic adventures for Nonoko, I am pretty sure of it.

Still, first it needs to convince Kyon that Nonoko is more safe with fighting powers of her own than without it.

edited 17th Jan '12 9:49:06 PM by ZeroNull

I really don't buy this, for a number of reasons.

• The supernatural stuff in this setting revolves around Haruhi and Sasaki, and Haruhi may well have brought it all into existence in the first place. The idea of other supernatural stuff going on that didn't involve one of them is a huge change for the setting. If Kyon's parents had anything to do with the supernatural, one of the weirdness magnet girls would have met them ages ago.

• The Organization ran a background check on Kyon. If his parents were magical warriors or something, the Organization would probably have noticed something was amiss, even if it was just a history of sudden disappearances and unexplained injuries.

• Can you imagine Kyon's mom as some sort of action hero? I can't. She can barely handle the idea of her son running around with yakuza. When Kyon took up the position of bodyguard in place of Kasai, she didn't realize the implications. Someone who had a prior career as a fighter of some sort (and wanted to keep her son out of the same line of work) would look into that further instead of just assuming it's a chaperone job.

edited 17th Jan '12 9:48:13 PM by PaxEmpyrean

The supernatural stuff doesn't entirely revolve around Haruhi and Sasaki.

-Points at Hinamizawa.-

I'm talking about Haruhi canon.

I thought you were talking about this story, where Kyon seems to be the magnet.

With all due respect, i'm with Pax. There's no way that Kyon's parents are not mundanes. In the setting, this specific brand of supernatural is the Brigade's alone (Hinamizawa's supernatural is very different in nature). Plus, it's way more fun this way.

@Mad Kitsu: I didn't consider that angle. Misinforming Sasaki about her nature could prove to be dangerous in the long run, but it could give her something to work with in the meanwhile. A setting straight out of Heroes could explain to Sasaki why the Family is interested in a person so ordinary like her (from her PoV) and how she could be (and was) used against Kyon's allies as the resident Power Nullifier of the story. IMO, it might work but it goes against the Power of Trust

SAN = Sanity?

@Zero Null: AFAIK, Kuyou is the one responsible of the early warning system against sliders. I wonder if Ryouko could project her chibified form and assist Kyon while she is in human-sized mode, maybe something like a background process.

Re: ESPer Excuse.

???: If all of you have some kind of supernatural power, does Kyon have one?
Haruhi: Don't ask.

Re: Magical Radiant Nonoko.

Achakura: Look at this Magical Radiant Nonoko! It's your own Radiant Buster! I based it on Kyon-kun's weapons but it has limited morphing capabilities in exchange for increased firing rate and output, high performance and low energy consumption! ♥

I will be AFK for a while. See you later.

edited 18th Jan '12 6:25:18 AM by Specular

edited 18th Jan '12 4:37:15 AM by Sinclair

Kyon's power... in all this crazy, to be firm and level-headed is a power in its own right. Also, Maebara's Charm.

I don't like the idea Haruhi's power is the absolute origin of everything, even in canon.

XD Can it be Solar powered too? Nonoko felt the effect of using many Radiant Buster too often.

True, true . However, in all seriousness Kyon does have a supernatural power(not that he knows): his mind shield, which originally attracted Kuyou to him and makes him unreadable to Koizumi and immune to the effects of holding Asakura's data remains.

edited 18th Jan '12 5:39:26 AM by Filraen

Could this shield be a result of, a defencive measure against, or otherwise related to Sasaki's Quantum Lock power?

edited 18th Jan '12 5:43:09 AM by TheNobody

Who knows, but Koizumi's ESP were granted by Haruhi but they're still considered Koizumi's.

edited 18th Jan '12 5:55:22 AM by Filraen

I think a result of his =___= attitude, that makes him more resilient to outside influences. You'd argue that post-Disappearance, this would've faded, but i think it has not. While he accepts the supernatural fully now, he's still very much Snark Incarnate.

You'd argue that Sasaki is the same, but it's not so. Sasaki is actively analytical and revels in deconstruction, while Kyon is practical, grounded in reality (no matter how unhinged reality is) and doesn't, at least superficially, enjoy over-analysis for the sake of it. In three words, Kyon's power is "shrugging it off".

Sasaki's power is related, in that it looks like an active form of this to an extent, instead of reflexive. Instead of making sense of the world for herself, like Kyon does, Sasaki imposes her view of the world on others.

But with a solar powered Radiant Buster, how can you blast the baddies while still keeping your cool?

edited 18th Jan '12 7:47:17 AM by Agasa

Maybe what Kyon has is something that can be best classified as an antithesis of "superpower" that doesn't mean "superflaw"? You know, kinda like "anti-psykers" (aka Untouchables and Pariahs) in WH 40 K?

edited 18th Jan '12 7:49:06 AM by MarqFJA

-Tilts head.-

Has Sasaki paid attention to how weird quantum mechanics is, I wonder?

Bops head.

Not how she works.

It's still silly. You can have things being in two places at once, possessing mutually contradictory states, and borrowing energy from nowhere. >.>

I think it's just a leak of Kyon's power as God of Normality.

On asakura having to be near the phone, it was able to manage without her before and she could do stuff remotely. If she needs to be there she could teleport.

Are you sure that's not how she works? If she thinks its possible, it can happen within her view. explaining things to her in enough detail should get her to believe things like aliens, teleportation and beam sabers. Or, wait for her to just stop rationalizing (like after what happened when Kyon saved her) and then show her everything while her defenses are down.

On a side note - Could you take Sasaki back in time safely?

edited 18th Jan '12 9:31:32 AM by Dragontrapper

Another idea: Have Kyon take out his gun as several different weapons in succession (one at a time) and then ask Sasaki to check how many of them are really in his coat.

It just occurred to me that when you said "grounded in reality", that could be a good explanation (of sorts) as to why Kyon's mind shield works, if you compare it to, say, how electrical (earth) grounding works. Or, specifically, how the connection to earth ground works.

Without going into a lot of specifics and for the sake of simplicity (and this explanation), the neutral wire in an electrical system carries stray electrical current to the earth, where it dissipates. If you liken reality to the earth, Kyon to the neutral wire, and mind reading attempts as stray current, you can kinda see where I'm going with this. It could explain why he doesn't show up when Koizumi tries to scan him; his scanning gets shunted to - for lack of a better term - 'reality ground', and is dissipated. When his scan doesn't return results (or rather, doesn't return, if you liken esper scanning to something like sonar or radar), he interprets it as his scan showing nothing there.