Not Tropeworthy: Fan Nickname

The Fandom Nickname redirect is now indexed on YMMV Redirects.

Edit: 958 wicks are already on YMMV subpages.

Another edit: Also, I thought I'd remind anyone who goes through wicks to delete nicknames that come from hatedoms, since it's often misused that way (hence why the Detractor Nickname redirect is on the Permanent Red Link Club).

Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 2nd 2021 at 11:24:46 AM

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I will start helping with Wick Cleaning, had to Cut List one page as it was the only entry on it. I will also look out for misuse.

Edited by Ordeaux26 on Dec 2nd 2021 at 9:35:25 AM

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Is there any reason to check the wicks in the mainspaces? Because there are... a lot of those.

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What Goes Where on the Wiki says that YMMV wicks are only allowed on YMMV pages unless they're in-universe, so I guess that would apply here. In contrast, inline Trivia wicks are allowed on non-Trivia pages.

Edit: Also, I took care of the cut request.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 2nd 2021 at 12:05:15 PM

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Yes, they need to be checked. The majority of them will trip the gas pump symbol now that they're linked among trope descriptions.

There's apparently 3466 wicks in the Trivia/ namespace. Hmm, this'll take longer than I hope it would.

Checked Trivia letter X spaces and most of the Gundam trivia sections and moved to YMMV. Though Fan Nickname sections for Mobile Suit Gundam 00 and Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans seem way too lengthy for me (even removing Detractor Nicknames and that one example that's Portmanteau Couple Name).

Additionally, there is this example I cut from X-Men Origins: Wolverine that I am certain is bashing. I am bringing it here to check since I've never watched the film:

• Fan Nickname: The version of Deadpool appearing in the film has gained a few, mostly related to how he is really nothing like the Deadpool from the comics. The most popular one appears to be DINO (Deadpool In Name Only). He is also referred to as "Dudepeel" by Imageboards, "Cesspool", "Barakapool" (because of the swords in the arms) and probably others.

We don't sweep with a broom, no~

Just cut that entirely.

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It's already cut. Any input on the Gundam 00 and Gundam IBO examples, I haven't touched those yet due to the sheer length and, for the 00 examples in particular, which are valid and not just something used by only a few people in order to cut the length significantly (or just move all those examples to its own Fan Nickname space).

Edited by delayedboom on Dec 3rd 2021 at 2:53:15 AM

We don't sweep with a broom, no~

You could move them to the Fan Nickname namespace and sift through them later. I'm not familiar with this franchise, so I can't say much more than than.

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I have a light objection to removing all Detractor Nickname-looking examples — unless you know the audience of a work well, I find that it's not often easy to tell whether something is used exclusively by a hatedom or if it's an affectionate thing used by the fandom (same way Memetic Loser is not necessarily negative). Since Fan Nickname tends to just say what nickname is for whom, and there are about a zillion wicks to go through, we should probably prioritize moving Trivia/ -> YMMV/ and dewicking from trope/work pages, only cutting if you know from the fandom that it's a hatedom thing or the phrasing has a complaining tone.

That's a good point, now that you mention it.

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What do you do about examples that are just listing any mild description that isn't really a fan-wide nickname. Is that misuse or shoehorning?

That's the one thing I struggle with as far as Fan Nickname is concerned. Where's the line between a fan nickname and people just shoehorning any old "nickname" that actually isn't fandom-wide? Also, what about objects (like weapons in something like an Anime show where weapons often have names, but "some fans" come up with alternative names and then list them as a fan nickname for that weapon)? And, related to that, what about combat techniques being listed as "fan nicknames"?

Also, does this audience reaction cover "placeholder" nicknames: a character's name hasn't been instantaneously introduced, so the fandom gives them a nickname to make it easier to discuss them until their name is revealed, and once the name is known, the placeholder nickname never gets used again. For example, Characters A and B are is introduced in Episode 1, but their names aren't introduced until Episode 3, so for two weeks the fandom calls Character A "Storm" because of her distinctive, smokey-grey eyes, and Character B "Mohawk Guy" because of his hairstyle. Once it's revealed that their names are Alice and Bob, the fandom never calls them "Storm" or "Mohawk Guy" ever again.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Dec 4th 2021 at 10:22:56 AM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.

I've wondered myself if having a trope for fandom nicknames of things - not just characters - in a work might be an idea worth pursuing. Yes, it would probably become sprawling wide and require subpages like the moment pages but a list of all nicknames per work might actually be interesting.

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What about running a new crowner to decide whether we expand the definition of Fan Nickname beyond characters? This thread was mostly concerned about the fact that Fan Nickname is an Audience Reaction that was inaccurately labeled as Trivia, and misuse never came up.

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Well, that's already happening on FanNickname.RWBY, if you want to see what a page might look like when the fandom gives everything a nickname.

Note, I've just cleaned up the page to remove misuse and shoehorning, and bad indentation (so the page was even longer). What's left includes giving nicknames to the following: characters, monsters, items of clothing, weapons, team names, combat moves, combination combat attacks, random assortments of character groupings (for example, a "team name" for the mothers of the main characters, who have never met in-universe), and so on.

Just so you know what you're getting into if you do decide to expand it; you will need to be prepared for fandoms to start nicknaming everything. I'm not saying don't do it, but you're probably looking at a "supertrope" type of approach to this audience reaction, of which Fan Nickname is a concentrated sub-category focussed entirely on character names.

It is still possible to identify misuse and shoehorning within this degree of expansion. For example, the misuse I found and removed from that page included: in-universe (canon) examples, Shout-Out, Memes, Idiosyncratic Ship Naming, speculative troping, Detractor Names (that were definitely the case; I've left affectionate examples on the page), creator-created nicknames that were adopted by the fandom (that would be Creator Nickname), and a few things that were so incident-specific and never caught on because it would require the fandom to even know the incident ever occurred (so, shoehorns).

It's possible there may be a case for Creator Nickname existing — and that probably would be Trivia instead of YMMV: nicknames creators/creation teams give to something during the creation of the character or wider work. To give an example, in one of the Inuyasha films, it's revealed that the animation team nicknamed Inuyasha's unnamed father "Touga" to make it easier to refer to him when creating the work. When the fandom found out, they adopted that name into the fandom, and it became fandom-wide. These sorts of nicknames do because they often have a Word of Dante vibe to them.

Anyway, that's my take on what you'd be looking at. If you do want to do it, it would definitely need to be spun off into its own thread away from this one.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Dec 4th 2021 at 11:50:00 AM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.

Isn't Fan Nickname already about more than the characters?

According to the laconic page:

• "An unofficial nickname given to something by the fans."

According to the main page:

• "Note that these aren't specifically limited to characters. Common sets, props, and special effects can also earn nicknames from the fans. Even (parts of) the series itself can be referred to with a nickname. Works suffering from Recycled Title syndrome often have a fan nickname to avoid confusion. Also, in series that sequels are numbered, the first is often nicknamed with a Title 1 when it officially doesn't have it."

In both cases, the description say it isn't limited to charaters.

Thanks for pointing that out. I guess everything's good here regarding the definition, so we just need to worry about cleanup.

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Fan Nickname has 11022 articles that link to it. I'm reluctant to ask Sept to do the put-wicks-in-sandbox thing because it's a lot of work, and the massive sandbox will probably break something.

My plan is to run through the Trivia/ articles first, moving entries to each page's YMMV/. Then pick work/trope namespaces such as Series/ and MythologyGag/ to dewick. (Might document namespaces to leave alone if there are leftovers from In-Universe uses, but I don't think there will be many.)

Maybe we could do the same thing as what was done with Sandbox.Cleaning Out The Fridge with Stuffed into the Fridge's wicks, which merely lists the namespaces that have been cleaned.

Edit: I did that with Sandbox.Fan Nickname Cleanup.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 5th 2021 at 3:01:04 AM

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I added this to TRS Wick Cleaning.

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Am moving Fandom Nickname redirects from Trivia to YMMV. Stuck on these examples.

• Trivia.Alamat: Magiliw (plural: Magiliws or Mga Magiliw). Collectively, Barangay Magiliw.
• Trivia.Jarvis Johnson: Paradoxically, his fanbase is named the "Unnamed Fanbase".
• Trivia.Korn: In the early 2000s, fans were known as the "Korn Kamp" (named after a popular fansite).

These are Fan Community Nicknames and will move there unless anyone objects. Note that Fandom Nickname and Fan Community Nicknames might be a bigger issue to look into.

• Trivia.Clipping: The iis.
• Trivia.Shakira: "Shak."

Can't tell if Fan Nickname or Fan Community Nicknames. Will likely cut unless anyone objects or can specify.

• Trivia.Kan Colle: Players are referred to as "admirals". Unsurprisingly, given the game's premise.
  • New players are sometimes called "newfaces" or "newface admirals", from one of Kongou's Engrish lines.
  • Bad players (new or not) are called "shitty admirals" based on Akebono's lines.
• Trivia.World Of Warships: Players are often referred to as Captains, Commanders, Admirals, or "Teitoku". The latter two are shared with those who also play KanColle, given the shared theme between the two games. "Admiral" is seen by some of the fanbase as the most appropriate of these nicknames, because the player has multiple in-game "Commanders" (the guys you place on ships and assign skill points to) under his or her command.

Fan Community Nicknames seems the best fit, but this seems a bit more complex. Will move to FCN unless I hear anything.

• Trivia.Star Wars Expanded Universe: The Filoni-Verse is the name many fans use to refer to the shows producer and writer Dave Filoni has directly worked on such as Star Wars: The Clone Wars, Star Wars: The Bad Batch, Star Wars Rebels and The Mandalorian since the four shows continue the storylines he created or co-created with a nice sideplate of returning characters, Continuity Nods and Mythology Gags.

Believe this is just Fan Nickname, but want to double check if it applies to non-characters/meta or if there's a better fit. Will move to FN unless I hear anything.

No objections to any of the above.

Done. All Fandom Nickname redirects have now been moved/removed from Trivia.

The confusion of Fandom Nickname with Fan Community Nicknames might be something to keep an eye out for/on.