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This sounds an awful lot like El Spanish "-o".

Edited by Prfnoff on Apr 15th 2024 at 10:53:26 AM

El Spanish "-o" does have an excessively narrow name, which is where the confusion is likely stemming (it's supposed to be about faking a language by adding linguistic markers to your own, but the name identifies a single marker in a single language), but that's something for the repair shop to sort out.

Lingerie Shock: Alice, for some wholesome reason, is sorting through Carol's wardrobe, when... what is this lacy thing? Surely prudish old Alice didn't think Carol was the kind of girl who would wear something like that! (Carol might actually want to, especially if she's engaged to marry Bob.)

This occurs in Brigadoon and The Sound of Music; I don't know if it's still a current trope in any medium.

Edited by Prfnoff on Apr 15th 2024 at 11:08:59 AM

Trope Name: Negative Comments Montage. Laconic: A character witnesses a barrage of negative comments aimed at them online.

The online equivalent of Shamed by a Mob.

There's a saying that goes "opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one", and there's nothing where this is more clear than the internet. Some internet users love to announce their opinions really loudly, in spite of how mean spirited or controversial they may be.

Let's say Bob is the subject of one such negative opinion. To show how big Bob's hatedom is, the show may show a slew of one negative comment after the other to hammer in just how many people hate him. It may demoralize Bob and make him not want to show his face in public anymore. It may lead to his reputation being damaged. In the worst case scenario, the bullying may lead him to take his own life.

This trope often goes hand in hand with 0% Approval Rating.

No Real Life examples

Examples

Animated Films

• Ralph Breaks the Internet: Ralph enters a chamber of the internet where he is able to see comments made in real time about Fix-It Felix Jr. and other video games. At first, he's happy that the comments positive. However, he later witnesses more negative comments pop up, most of which are aimed at him and call him insults like "stupid" and "a worthless bum". He feels sad, but remembers that Vanellope still thinks he's a good guy, and that's all that matters to him.

Live-Action TV

• In The Boys, a variant happens when Stormfront's history as a Nazi is leaked to the world and many insulting memes and videos circulate online mocking her as a "Nazi bitch".
• Al Rawabi School For Girls: Ruqayyah is a hijabi-clad Muslim girl who's one of Layan's Girl Posse. She's insecure about her looks because her friends have boyfriends and she doesn't, and her Abusive Mom always compares her to her prettier sisters. She becomes really happy when she starts receiving flirtatious texts from a boy named Tareq. Though she enjoys the attention he gives her, she is hesitant when he asks for a picture of her without her hijab. When he continues to shower her with praise and affection, Ruqayyah can't resist any longer and sends him a photo of herself with her hair out. Unbeknownst to her, "Tareq" is actually a fake account created by her classmates Mariam and Noaf, and they spread the photos online. We are then treated to a number of harsh Arabic-language comments that deride her for taking off her hijab and call her a disgrace to her family. Later, Ruqayyah's family finds out, and pull her from the school.

Edited by deerhornsaresopretty on Apr 15th 2024 at 11:26:00 AM

Needs to handle the overlap with Cyberbullying.

Hmm, well the main difference between the two is that cyberbullying in fiction is often portrayed as directly targeted at someone. Meanwhile Negative Comments Montage is more like people casually complaining about something/someone.

"World's Edge Mountains" — a fantasy map trope where a huge mountain range, usually running directly north to south, forms a hard boundary for the main setting of a story. The areas that the story concerns itself with are on one side, usually the western one, and the far side serves as a mysterious unknown that may or may not ever be visited in the story.

Examples would include the Spine of the World/Dragonwall from The Wheel of Time (and the Mountains of Dhoom as an east-west variant bounding off the Grim Up North), the Great Kayarsus from Second Apocalypse, the Ramtops from Discworld, and the World's Edge Mountains from Warhammer, which is where I got the name from.

Is Villains Love Milk a good trope to be considered ?

Er... more explanation, please

(Previously asked on TF here)

Laconic: God or gods in universes run on video-game mechanics acting like gamers.

Specifically: I observed in works set in Standard Japanese Fantasy Setting where video-game mechanics (RPG Mechanics or otherwise) are explicitly used, if they are any any God or gods, they will act like gamers. It is potentially used to provide an Audience Surrogate. The TF query suggested Cosmic Chess Game, but I doubt it applies to here due to a few reasons:

• This is based on video-game mechanics. That is based on board-game mechanics.
• More importantly, mortals under this draft are never direct pawns of their gods. Using the three examples below:
  • God's direct action in I Got My Wish... is just (1) replacing the soul of one Elizabeth Maxwell, who would have grown up as Maou the Demon King and (2) sending a Mentor Mascot for this Elizabeth;
  • Since the "Gods" in Endo and Kobayashi Live! are just mundane humans, their powers are limited to persuasion and that they know what's going on.
  • While gods in Is It Wrong to Try To Pick Up Girls in a Dungeon? functionally act as the leader of a Player Party, they are not allowed to enter the Mega Dungeon where most of the action occurs and mostly have to respect the mortals' free will.

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Examples I found so far:

Anime & Manga

• I Got My Wish and Reincarnated as the Villainess (Last Boss)!: We have the God managing Earth as well as the universe where the story happens in (which is explicitly stated to be, for unknown reasons, similar to a Romance Game on Earth), who is able to apply Stat-O-Vision on all mortals. He also declares the lack of RPG Mechanics on Earth, as well as being born in a "lowest-spec" body (assumed to have a severe heart defect), are major handicaps to the protagonist, and thus the titular reincarnation moves her from "Hell Mode" to "Easy Mode." His familiar Luna who handles the protagonists case also comments on the universe as if a gamer is making MST, realizing the universe has gone Off the Rails and ceases to think Stations of the Canon will happens as it should.

Literature

• Inverted in Endo and Kobayashi Live! The Latest on Tsundere Villainess Lieselotte, where two Ordinary High School Students are MSTing on a Romance Game when the Inner Fourth Wall disappeared, and the NPCs who can hear their commentaries call them Gods.
• In Is It Wrong to Try to Pick Up Girls in a Dungeon?, adventurers are organized into "Familias," headed by gods (from different pantheons) descended on the Universe. These gods act like gamers in an MMORPG, having the sole ability to see the stats of their familia's adventurers, and any fruits of Stat Grinding or Level Grinding is only effective with the gods performing a "level-up" operation on the adventurers. The gods have stereotypical otaku behavior, such as lusting after their adventurers, or the use of Leet Lingo.

EDIT: Added why I still don't think Cosmic Chess Game applies.

Edited by SamCurt on Apr 15th 2024 at 8:22:09 AM

Scientia et Libertas | Per Aspera ad Astra Nova

Bump regarding the idea I wrote

Scientia et Libertas | Per Aspera ad Astra Nova

I think it'd be better to make a Super-Trope to cover all the games gods play with mortals instead of specifically needing a LitRPG context.

But if you really want this, then you might need to be more specific since the ways gods insert themselves into the games changes the relationships in ways that a single trope might be too broad. Players Are Gods To Sentient NP Cs is an idea.

Maybe something like Author Powers. Game Developer Powers?

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I wonder if Speech Emblems is a good idea for a Useful Notes? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emblem#Emblems_in_speech

Edited by Malady on Apr 18th 2024 at 8:22:17 AM

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I've been tossing around an idea for an "Evil is Vindictive" trope to catch at least some of the most common misuse of Evil Is Petty. Do you think the idea has legs, or would it be too redundant with existing tropes?

That sounds like a good idea. Here are some tropes you could use as wicks for your draft:

• And Your Little Dog, Too!
• Avenging the Villain
• Back from the Dead
• Big Bad
• Demanding Their Head
• Face–Heel Turn
• Kick the Dog
• Revenge by Proxy
• Revenge Through Corruption
• Then Let Me Be Evil

I would also take a look at this TRS thread to make sure your draft won't have any of the same problems.

Edited by FSharp on Apr 18th 2024 at 2:20:31 PM

Welcome to Corneria!

I have a trope idea in mind which involves the setup below. Does the trope exist? If not, what would be a good name for it?

• There is an ensemble (can be as small as two people). They come across another character who isn't related to anyone from the ensemble.
• They become close friends with one member of the ensemble who is not the main character. They may be willing to hang out with the others, but they are noticeably closer to that one specific member.

Some examples:

• In Adventure Time, Finn and Jake come across a cosmic entity named Prismo the Wishmaster. While Finn - The Hero - is living in his wish, Jake - the Deutragonist befriends Prismo. Later, Finn acknowledges that Prismo is closer to Jake than he is with Finn.
• In Battle for Dream Island: The Power of Two, Two is nice with all of his contestants, but has a noticeably stronger friendship with Gaty. In their first conversation, they make friendly conversation, which in later episodes, extends to Two approaching Gaty for advice and Gaty rushing to Two's aid when the former thinks the latter is in danger.
• In The Big Bang Theory, while Stuart interacts with all of the guys when they come to his comic book store, he seems to have a particularly closer friendship with Rajesh compared to the others.

Edited by Paperfly on Apr 19th 2024 at 8:15:51 PM

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I Hate You God Mom - People with Divine Parentage hates their godly parent/gods have a tendency to be shitty parents

I know there are enough examples for this trope, i can list like eight off the top of my head, but is it already covered by something else? Or alternatively, is it too close to just being a slightly more specific version of Abusive Parents ?

Edited by Biggby on Apr 19th 2024 at 8:45:00 AM

I was thinking of proposing a new trope of Blue/Yellow color schemes being bold and heroic, but would that be covered by Primary-Color Champion? That seems to be for Red/Blue and yellow highlights.

So I recently launched a trope called Pinned to the Ground which, after some feedback, had to be narrowed down to only the instances where someone physically holds someone else to the ground.

Due to this, I would like create the following two Sub-Tropes (both titles are, of course, working titles):

1. Pin Down-power: This trope is for every time someone uses a superpower to pin someone else to the ground. An example would be if a character uses a gravity power to increase someone else's gravity to the point they are pressed to the ground unable to move.

2. Pinned down by object or Pinned down under object: This trope applies to every instance where someone is pinned under an object, usually something that has fallen down. Examples would be someone being stuck under a statue or a boulder unable to free themself without assistance.

Before I start working on them, I would appreciate some feedback on how those ideas sound to see whether they are worth investing time into.

Thank you and have a nice weekend.

I think that there is enough specificity about the way that a divine or spiritual entity can be a bad or negligent parent to a corporeal child that that can probably stand as its own thing.

Was thinking about Fat Bastard and Fat Slob lately, and I'm wondering: are we missing a Greedy Obesity trope for obesity being associated with greediness? Fat Bastard is definitely a thing, but like a lot of physical trait + character trait tropes, it tends to attract a lot of partial-context examples, with many failing to clarify the association. Creating a subtrope with a more specific definition might ameliorate those issues somewhat. It's already touched upon briefly early in Fat Bastard's description:

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Hmm. I recall offhand that in In Nomine Mammon, the demonic Prince of Greed, is usually depicted as a fat Medieval merchant with a belly straining the seams of his ostentatious clothing.

Edited by Theriocephalus on Apr 21st 2024 at 6:09:57 AM

There's also Adipose Rex for fat kings...

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I've noticed a tendency that I think is a valid YMMV item, but is a massive complaining risk so i'm hesitant to try it.

Basically, do we have a version of Hype Backlash for marketing trying too hard to drum up excitement for something, or hyping something up as more than it is? I've seen it misused as such for situations like Wish (2023) where a movie that is flawed or simply So Okay, It's Average is hated more because it was a tie-in to a major Milestone Celebration and didn't match up to what was assumed on that front. Another recent case I can see is Megamind vs. the Doom Syndicate, because I've seen people say it wouldn't have as much backlash as it did if DreamWorks didn't specifically market is as a response to the film becoming a Cult Classic in recent years (i.e. putting "Megamind is back, you're welcome") in the trailer. I can also think of Elemental (2023) making people like Clod less (or at least mock him more) because of their obviously staged video of people applauding in the theater when he came onscreen.

I know this would probably attract a lot of whininess, but is there anything in here that can capture what I do think is an issue with fandom and marketing's relationship?

Edited by mightymewtron on Apr 19th 2024 at 12:55:42 PM

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

Anti Amnesia Trigger: Characters with amnesia always react to something related to their past with debilitating headache.

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That's certainly one; searching through some of the existing examples through Fat Bastard reveal some more:

• Dante's Inferno: Dante's father was an abusive man who often beat his wife and child. Not only was he a fat, disgusting glutton, but horribly greedy as well, once beating his wife when he thought that she had stolen one of his golden coins. He appears in the 4th circle of hell as a fat, grotesque demonic soldier who is spared the torture of other greedy souls by Satan and battles his son for a while before Dante finally ends his cruel father's (un?)life by dumping him into a giant wheel moved by molten gold. Dante absolves his father instead of using him as an excuse for Dante's own sins.
• Wang Wen-Chang, the first boss in The Legend of Tian-ding, is a greedy, overweight bastard who's introduced using his cane to beat up a helpless beggar unable to pay rent. And is a tax collector working for the Japanese invaders, overcharging the locals and destroying the livelihoods of an entire community just for his personal income, while repeatedly ordering his lackey to carry him literally everywhere on a trishaw. He even has a three-story golden statue of himself, funded from the money his men siphoned off the locals.
• The Boondocks has several overweight characters, and most of them are unpleasant.
  • Ed Wuncler I is a greedy, fat-cat capitalist.
  • Rollo Goodlove is a greedy activist who cares more about money than the cause itself.
• Hoggish Greedly from Captain Planet and the Planeteers whose obesity represents consuming too much resources. Also Sly Sludge to a lesser extent who symbolizes laziness.
• Principal I. M. Greedyguts on Jacob Two-Two, a Villainous Glutton Dean Bitterman who frequently embezzles the school's budget and enjoys making his students miserable for his own selfish purposes while also hoarding junk food and helping himself to grand feasts on a regular basis.

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Maybe Marketing Aversion, among the lines of Hype Aversion? One example not involving a creative work that might fall under your idea is the attempt by Planters to make Peanut Jr. a thing after Baby Nut, only to receive a ton of backlash and ultimately retire the campaign a few months later.

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