Hazbin Hotel pilot & Helluva Boss

New preview of Helluva Boss Season 2 Episode 8.

From the tweet:

Since we just passed the real full moon, it seems your summoning circles have worked. Have a #Helluva Boss peek ❤️😈

Release date news for the rest of our season two episodes coming soon!!

Nice! It’s been a while since we got some HB news!

Understandable, what with the Hazbin Hotel premiere and all.

Hopefully, they’ll be able to time the releases so ”Ghostfuckers” is released in time for Halloween and ”Sinsmas” is released in time for Christmas.

Animatic about Fizz with the Whole being dead thing from Beetlejuice the musical. This is based on Brightman playing both characters

I can hear Adam on occasions.

So if imps and hellhounds are one of the lowest classes in the hierarchy, How was Fizzaroli able to snag Asmodeus and Tex got together with Queen Bee?

I don't really see what the hierarchies have to do with anything here...? Bee and Ozzie are two of the Seven Deadly Sins, as Oz himself realizes and points out at the end of "Oops" - They can date whoever they damn-well please, and they don't care who sneers at them for it. They're too powerful for that. Beelzebub, in particular, is part hellhound - It's not so weird that she'd shack it up with another hellhound.

But if you're asking how they met since the class differences are so big... Well, Bee's party place seems to be open to anybody, as most of the people at her party are imps and hellhounds - It's understandable that she'd be sympathetic to Hell's lower castes considering who she is, and it's not much of a stretch to think that she and Tex met at one of her parties. As for Asmodeus and Fizzarolli, that could be more of a puzzle... Or maybe the big guy saw one of Fizz's shows and just fell in love with his performance and then him? Ozzie does seem to be a bit of a romantic.

Like, sometimes, people just meet and hit it off, you know?

The same way any person of low class gets together with someone high up in the totem pole.

Edited by Pokesamus on Mar 20th 2024 at 7:30:27 AM

The social hierarchy is probably a bit different depending on what circle you're from. I imagine that hellhounds are held in a higher regard in Gluttony (implied to be the circle they're native from) than Pride or Wrath. Maybe Crimson managing to become a mob boss in Greed is because its more accepting to the idea of a scrappy underdog like an imp...a way to encourage migration and bolstering the population

Happy birthday to Angel Dust.

Here's an remix of Poison.

Tweet from the official Helluva Boss twitter announcing that there will be news coming to LVL up later this month. Also includes a gif from an upcoming episode featuring DHORKS.

From the tweet:

BIG #Helluva Boss news coming to LVL up later this month!! Release dates and perhaps some exclusives..?? We can't wait to bring it to you all soon! 😈❤️

Edited by Elfkaiser on Apr 3rd 2024 at 9:45:37 AM

… Level Up? Well, it’ll be interesting to see what they mean by that.

It’ll be cool to see D.H.O.R.K.S again, too. Let’s see if they’ve smartened up a bit and have become a credible threat now.

Oh no!, Agent One has succumbed to the furry fandom of this show!

You say that like that’s a bad thing.

So how is Agent 1 supposed to see out of the fursuit if he's wearing sunglasses underneath it?

To be fair, that would be very in character for them (sunglasses are cool, regardless of utility, like Edo Period weaponry)

I’d laugh my ass off if they decided to apply Surprisingly Realistic Outcome to that - To just have him stumble around, walk into things and miss his shots because he refuses to remove his sunglasses even if they make him unable to see a thing.

… A though struck me that it might be from the ”Ghostfuckers” episode, maybe? He might be wearing that as a ”Halloween costume.”

Edited by MagmaTeaMerry on Apr 4th 2024 at 7:19:57 PM

YMMV.Helluva Boss S 2 E 4 Western Energy

• Unintentionally Unsympathetic: Stolas. Whereas season 1 showed him at least somewhat remorseful for his adultery despite continunity to sleep with Blitzo, here he doubles down on his 'it's not cheating since Stella never cared for me' attitude, which neatly ignores the damage Stolas has done to the reputation of the entire family and the pain he has caused Octavia. Later on he attempts to act as a Defiant Captive in front of Striker, but does so by mocking him for being poor (asking if he couldn't afford holy bullets) and sexualizing Blitzo yet again (saying Striker's torture is nothing compared to what he and Blitzo get up to in the bedroom) - which only suggests Striker was right about Stolas and other Overlords being nothing but spoiled rich demons who treat the lower classes like playthings.

I believe this is misuse as he's only only acting this way to Stella and Andrealphus who have been nothing but cruel to him and completely unrepentant unlike him, and Striker was deliberate exaggerations/taunting rather than anything to take seriously (room for Alternate Character Interpretation on if pure exaggeration or some validity).

At this point, is it safe to say Stolas is subject to Ron the Death Eater over this, his hatedom exaggerating/nitpicking and ignoring context?

Agree. I think being a bit rude to the woman who ordered your death and saying some things you perhaps shouldn't but under the duress of torture are both very justifiable. I mean, yes Stolas cheating has caused damage for the family (mainly Ocatvia), but Stella clearly has no leg to stand on giving she was willing to murder her daughter's beloved father. Sexualising Blitzo is wrong, but he is saying this while he's being tortured and is clearly doing it to unnerve Stiker (still wrong, but I don't think you can really hold him accountable for it in this instance). And calling the man who's torturing and eventually going to murder you poor seems completely justifiable. Stolas is no paragon, but this episode isn't really the one where he shows that.

Edited by king15 on Apr 6th 2024 at 10:19:45 AM

Naaaaaah, they have a point - Just because you’ve been forced into a marriage with a domestic abuser who made your life a living Hell and then kidnapped and tortured by a hitman hired by said abuser, that’s not an excuse to cheat on the former, say something vaguely classicist to the latter and be impolite to both of them. Clearly, Stolas is the one who’s in the wrong.

It almost reads to me like it was written by somebody who is salty about the fact that we’re NOT actually supposed to sympathise with Stella for being cheated on. And even if that’s not the case, you either have to miss or deliberately completely ignore the context to jump to that kind of conclusion.

Edited by MagmaTeaMerry on Apr 6th 2024 at 8:46:32 PM

Helluva Boss fans try not to overthink Stolas' actions toward any character ever challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

I mean, can you blame them? Stolas is the co-lead now. More than M&M are.

It's not really at that point yet. In season 2 so far, Stolas has appeared in 4 episodes, M and M have appeared in 4, so he's at worst equal. And he was always meant to be a main character, just with less consistent appearances then Blitzo and M and M. Don't get me wrong, I hope they (and Loona especially) get more focus in future episodes, the 2 Fizzaroli episodes were great but should have been separated more (though that might have been due to the availability of the actors), I just think Stolas' prominence in this season so far has been exaggerated a bit (though given the next episode seems to be another one focused on him, your point might well become true).

Though I am biased since Stolas is my favourite character, so naturally I'm going to notice less when he's given more prominence over M and M (who I like, but not as much).

Edited by king15 on Apr 7th 2024 at 4:41:46 PM

What has always bothered me is that somewhere along the line it seems like the fandom has completely forgot that, like, Stolas is a sheltered highborn noble who makes bad decisions? That's always been a consistent aspect of his character, but then suddenly sometime into Season 2 somehow everything that Stolas does is because he's a Manipulative Bastard who hates his daughter and cheated on his wife For the Evulz. And sure, there's an argument to be made that story is trying to absolve him of some of his culpability in all that, but if "Oops" and "Just Look My Way" (and kind of "Seeing Stars") are any indication, he is still genuinely trying to fix the problems with his family and Blitzo. He's made mistakes and owning up to them, not a villain trying to become a Karma Houdini.

Mmmmmmyeah, sounds like a fandom at work, alright; Characters we’re ”supposed to” sympathise with will almost always be held to a higher standard than characters who we aren’t.

Again - This sounds like something done by people who are disappointed/salty that Stella isn’t meant to be sympathetic at all and decide to frame all of Stolas’s actions in the worst possible light in response, context be damned; Just flat-out ignoring that the show DOES show his cheating having VERY negative consequences in regards to his relationships with both Octavia AND Blitzo, as well as his own reputation. It’s ignoring the fact that it’s actually a very complicated situation where, just because Stolas is meant to be a Sympathetic Adulterer, it doesn’t mean that he’s shown as 100% in the right for doing so.

Some of it is clumsily handled, yes, but I swear, people don’t fucking understand nuance anymore. Or did they ever?

Edited by MagmaTeaMerry on Apr 7th 2024 at 11:20:11 AM

On the subject, from BaseBreakingCharacter.Helluva Boss

• While Stolas is well-liked by some in the fandom for being a good father to Octavia (though even this point is debated) and proving that despite being a Depraved Bisexual / Depraved Homosexual he still has a heart, he's always been divisive. His relationship with Blitzo is either cute and funny or toxic due to their power imbalance making it hard for Blitzo to feel safe saying no, Blitzo's visible discomfort around him in the first few episodes, the transactional nature of it, and the fact that Stolas is cheating on his wife. The divide worsened in Season 2, with some fans feeling the writers were trying too hard to make Stolas sympathetic, having turned him from a morally dubious and powerful demon prince to a sad 'innocent' lovesick man constantly bemoaning how he 'misread' Blitzo's feelings for him, all the while not showing any self-reflection on his behavior in the previous season. This isn't helped by the universe seemingly bending over backwards to present him as ultimately in the right no matter the scenario - characters who have legitimate grievances with either him or royalty in general present their views in ways easily dismissed by the script or Stolas himself, and his relationship with Blitzo is retconned to include daily phone calls that happened offscreen. His relationship with Octavia is also contentious; while no fan can reasonably deny he loves her, whether he's actually a good parent is a different issue.

This is currently too skewed to complaining. Before fixing any thoughts/feedback? How about splitting the reasons he's decisive into several bullets?

I could also see a point of him being seen as a Creator's Pet, with how much development he's been getting and the focus now being on him, his relationship with Blitz, and Stella and Andre-whatever-the-rest-of-his-name-was plotting to destroy him at the expense of the other cast members screentime.