Fantasy races and punk punk

Hi everyone, im here because like many here im making my own setting and I cross this idea of using fantasy race with diferents punk genre, the core idea or justification is that the clasical races(elves,dwarft,ork,etc) come lost tech from a first empire back inthe pre history and they are their remanents(which in part explain why they are miffed about man kind: they are "new" in a way) also, this punk are almost power by magic in one way of another so they are call weirdly science to diference from regular boring but practical science.

I will go now:

Elves: Biotech/biopunk, for me elves could represent the best AND the worst of biopunk: living thousand of years, always being pretty, and monumental arrogance and low births compare to others, in my setting Elves were ancient spirit being who for some reason of another(they cant remember why...in part because someone destroy the ancient records, is kind of a plot point) manage to make a perfect flesh body for themselves, meaning magic being in human containers, seen the tech to manipulate their bodies is only now by the crown ensure they all lived long and can reincarnate again...if they obey of course.

Dwarft: I was thinking in cyberpunk but I figured out it dosent really cut since Cyberpunk run on a cheapness of life that dosent really cut with Dwarft and their low number So I decide to go with Steampunk, here Dwarf have something of a genius streak, having the spark of a genius and capable of creating machines with their heart factories hidden in the botton on their vautl citadels

Now, I dont know what punk genre use with Orcs, disepunk? I feel is too clean, post apocalitic punk? maybe but itfear it will look A LOT like warhammer orks

Also I have plans for another two factions: one use theopunk(or theotech, tecnologic coming from the gods, my idea is that they discover a source they call god and give them power, funny thing is they claim this source is not a god like the others but rather distinctt, giving the impression they both a bunch of religious nutjob or psuedo atheist with fancy terminology) another group based kinda on cyberpunk and so own.

so anyway, this is what I have in the moment and I would thank any input.

You could have the Orcs working Clock Punk, which could demonstrate that they are more than simple savages even if they happen to be raiders and pirates and the like.

Now, when it comes to theopunk, my perspective is that the Punk Punk genres are about how a particular sort of technology reflects and impacts a certain society, usually in a specific time and place; so, your challenge, I think, is to explain the society that produced theopunk technology and its effect on said society.

MMMMMMMM, clockwork? I dont know...something I remenber well is hearing the diferent between clockwork and steampunk is that one is mass produce while the other is made by artists, I will think of it.

And yes I know, my question is more on what race should I used for theopunk, My idea is made one made of to expies: the dranei(which are very religious)and the tau(who are the only atheist race in warhammer) the idea is they belive in a force and that all gods are manifestation of said source, they are tolerant...provie you get with them and they manipulate your belive in subtle ways to "fit" with them, their tech is belive to be inspired by the gods and based on myths, in short they would love to make a spear of telesto, a eye of odin and so more, also said machines are rever in their own right and is belive they are posses.

of course I have also to variant of this idea: the "Infernopunk" which is kinda tecnology based on demons and necronpunk which is based on the death and necromancy....to of course I getting ahead of my self.

What race do you suggest for each punk?

Orcs I would actually go with diesel punk - show their engineering prowess - too far and too dirty and you end up with Da ORK BOYZ. So something that shows they are solid engineers and not just scrap-heap using scavs...

Remember, even the original Orcs were REALLY good at weaponsmithing in Tolkien.

Dwarves - Steam or Clock punk would be the Tropeish fit; but if you go for their whole mining and avaricious nordic mythology, maybe post apocalyptic raiders could be a good fit.

Elves - perhaps more gothic? Regency clothing, or ren-fair torn cloth and scraps - they find styles so gauch and transitory they see no point sticking with it? Or as you said - biopunk but as they aren't "physical" as per the others, their styles might be slightly "off".

Do you have goblins, other races as well?

Humans. Dieselpunk. Warmachines powered by roaring fossil fuel engines.

Orcs are traditional very violent, maybe splatterpunk?

I decide biopunk for elves because it manage to explain almost all quriks of elves:

always young?: check

few people: check

racist or smug about it?: check

good with animals?: check

So I feel biopunk feel better with them and this is what I have:

Almost all elves in my setting are clone from the originals settlers, almost all of them lived in city states and they dont have last name because of it, instead identifying with the city (Arovel from Nor kadragh for example) only the noble houses are born naturaly and even them the baby as upfiled(is that the word? sorry my english betray me at times) and they have a special mark to show they are only true born of the sociaty.

By the way, almost all wedding are official by the state, ¿Why? because only them can undo the mental blocks that prevent them for having kids, by result every few elves are virgins

It could also explain, say, "dark elves" - not perhaps a real race but they've gone insane from clone degradation?

Are there faeries or dragons in this world? Are they creations of the elves, with their bio punk systems?

Golems could have been made using steampunk OR magi-punk tech too.

Maybe they will be elves that come close some experiment relate to darkness....on the other hand clone degeneration sound nice.

And yes they are, I have been thinking that dragons civilization wil be atom punk, with dragon being use as way of nuke consider their awe destructive powers, they will be sleeping must of the time and people around them will be using their energy to power their civilization, in exchange they are offer sacrifice like gods.

or a least that is my idea about it.

What about the idea of Humans using diesel powered war machines of iron and steel?

mmmmmmmmm, maybe.

I still tryting to see who is going to be cyberpunk, after all cyberpunk is about deshuminzing the masses, being replacable and money becoming a fact of life.

Any ideas?

Well that's what Cyberpunk is stereotypically about, there are numerous different stories to tell.

Sure but there is some themes or things about each punk, I put elves in biopunk because a lot of their qurik aling well with it.

I will put Clockwork punk with Dwafts, as I read someone else, the diference between Clockwork and Steampunk is that the latter put a emphasis in ingenuity and the factory and mass production, which I feel it kinda goes against Dwarves.

That's not entirely accurate. Clockpunk is all about really delicate and intricate machinery with lots of highly detailed and finicky small moving parts meticulously calibrated.

While Steampunk tends to take more of a 'brute force' approach with clunky valves, tubes and turbines and with steam leaking and arcs of electricity shooting between coils everywhere.

And, you know, Steam power in the real world found it's first niche specifically as a method of pumping flood water out of mines, so if your dwarves are the stereotypical miners or even just underground dwellers, then steampunk is totally their thing.

Agreed - Steampunk suits the dwarves who like INDUSTRY (If we're going for stereotypical dwarves). Clockpunk seems to need more finesse.

Maybe gnomes? Or even humans? OR The goblinoids?

Also regarding the cyberpunk side - depends which facet you're after? If you go by Planet of Hats for how we view the races in fantasy - the corporate greed could be dark elves or dwarves. The Punk and fightback could be humans. The slow reduction of humanity through replacement of limbs and brain through tech could be humans, mage-analogues, elves who have lost their immortality, dwarves pushing the engineering envelope, orcs seeking a combat or cash advantage...

Would cyberpunk fit in a mash up setting like this? Next to steam etc? If it's just to apply tropes then probably go with Humans as the Cyber geeks... as cyber is to make up for deficiencies and adapt to circumstance. And humans tend to be the Jack of All Stats in fantasy.

About steampunk, this is why I decide to put clockwork

"One answer is that clockwork technology serves as a powerful symbol of a certain stage in history, and a certain sort of civilisation. Steam technology is huge, thumping, powerful: it tells the viewer, in no uncertain terms, that the past is over and is never coming back. Clockwork technology is precise, elegant, intricate: it implies a world of craftsmen and virtuosi, rather than one of factory labourers and urban blight. Its existence implies a society of great sophistication and knowledge, but not necessarily of overwhelming power. Once you have steam power, and especially once you have railroads, the balance of power shifts too far towards the urban."

Think is...dwarf can be both actually, usually Dwarf are not just blacksmith, they are artist of metal who can made things very elegant(to the point they get into pissing contest with elves about it) so having machine made like art fitting them very well....

And to talk about my dwarves: they are call the Davari(well that is the name I have for them, since I suck at name they could be change any time) When the firstborn(The precursors....so to speak) colapse they hide in their vault-fortress in which they changed....a little bit, so like the elves they got tonks of tech from another age and feel they are superior because of it.

Well you have to remenber in this setting they are magic ciences, is not cyberpunk as whole but more magic based analogue, sorry for making that clear,

Ahhh ok, so Magitek that LOOKS like Cyberpunk to be similar - so instead of cyber vision, someone has had their eyes replaced with enchanted Orbs that gives them night vision? That sort of thing?

And instead of a "mechanical arm" they have a golem arm, or Clock Punk arm attached?

Again, could be humans as humans tend to amalgamate the hats of the other races. Their societies are usually framed as more progressive (even if there may be elements that aren't) and the aristocracy and potential growth for nascent "Companies" could be a weird fantasy dystopia for you to try?

I rather like the idea of associating the orcs with cyberpunk: High populations, slum-like conditions and a disregard for life seem to fit well with the stereotypes for that I have in mind for both. As to the stereotypical orcish violence, I might see it channelled into a certain corporate viciousness—both external and internal—which I think is quite in keeping with a sterotypical cyberpunk setting.

mmmmmmm you have got my atemption.

....maybe? you seen to get a point right now.

Ok, I have think about t a little more and this is what I got:

Elves: like I said I will go with Biopunk, my only point of cointation is giving wood elves solar punk as well, and in case anyone is wondering: the ent are form of bio golem as well.

Dragon: they will be the atompunk faction, here the dragon were living weapon with a powerfull heart that can create energy, some human harness that power and create a empire out of it but it fracture, dragon use agent because if one ancient dragon fight another it could be a disaster(kinda like MAD).

Dwaft:......steampunk? is hard to said, from one part it fit well their love to gold and greed but on the other hand dwarft are very tradicionalist while steampunk is about PROGRESS!

and if I give that to dwarft, I will go clockpunk with fairied and gnomes, they are small so I think it will fit well.

Cyberpunk:.....yeah I will go with orcs, they are a lock, is deshumanizing and the use of some matrix analogue fit kinda well.

edited 11th Sep '17 1:09:33 PM by unknowing

Sounds like a good setup!

Now I have been thinking.....is orc should be cyberpunk or Diselpunk?

diselpunk have a industrial look which fit original tolkien orcs to a degree, but cyberpunk have this one too, I think if I want orc to be industrial empire like maybe WW 1 powers like germany or rule by guild like east indian company......

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

any other race and punks?

Lizardfolk, desert punk. (Cowboys and Contraptions.)

Gillfolk, gaslight punk. (Edwardians and Enticements.)

Wingfolk, zeppelin punk. (Tengu and Trials.)

I have always liked the idea of a half-orc Monk, where the external sides of things seems like a fit but the internal side might not. A perfectly harmonious mind, tuned to the ting of a small bell, clearer than ice and as still as stone, only to rise in utter control of oneself and able to win many battles through complete self-knowledge (even when against an unknown foe).

Flip that around, and you have your cyberpunk Orcs, who have unlocked the secret of hardware/wetware unity largely because they have the physical stamina to sustain it (as it is essentially Astral Projection through a terminal, which only the truly disciplined can manipulate for long enough to actually be effective).

edited 14th Sep '17 12:13:50 AM by DeusDenuo

Most of every mythical creature like Witches, Elves, Leprechauns, Demons etc. are going to be lean or complete pure Biopunk to modified their existence as "Direct" successors to Humans.

Dragons or any other non-humanoid mythical creatures are going be used from Clock Punk until (Gaslamp Fantasy - A pure Science Fantastic version of later Clockpunk/Steampunks) early Cassette Futurism since their organic parts are pretty valuable in Human/Humanoid market.

Orcs, Dwarfs, and Humans are only ones evolving their technology every once for while.

edited 15th Sep '17 2:19:36 PM by Franco-America2018

Demons are being of pure energy so no, they get mass when they enter the world but that is another thing, tribe who workship demons get demon tech which I call infernopunk: imagine musket make of glass and tendons....yeah.

dragon are atompunk: artificial beings with a heart that continusly produce energy

and elves are biopunk

Sure for feral and nonhumanoid Demons but for civilized and humanoid ones with some who used to be human themselves either they die or not they are using some biopunk technology-like demonic gadgets (if proved by their most civilized Demonlord) and powers.

And I get it for Elves but others like Witches are using Bioengineering to make spells.

edited 15th Sep '17 4:49:59 PM by Franco-America2018