Venom

Or perhaps it's in canon with the Reimi films?

Where there's life, there's hope.

It's possible that it'll be like a Venn Diagram where Holland's Spiderman shows up in both MCU and Sony's movies but there is no relation between the two cinematic universes besides sharing a character.

"You can't change the world without getting your hands dirty."

That'd be an odd choice since it's been 11 years since the last Raimi movie and said movie's handling of Venom is one of its most divisive and widely-mocked aspects.

That sounds almost as unnecessarily confusing as having two different unrelated Peter Parkers.

edited 20th May '17 12:45:18 PM by comicwriter

I'm pretty sure Marvel would be unhappy about that. They probably have some kind of agreement that gives them control over what films the MCU Spider-Man is in.

Well according to Sony after Homecoming 2, Spider-Man will not be a part of the MCU anymore.

Unless they renegotiate their deal with Marvel.

It was reported a month or two ago.

edited 20th May '17 1:11:38 PM by Halberdier17

Batman Ninja more like Batman's Bizarre Adventure

Just to clarify, I'm not the only one who thinks Sony is putting all their eggs in one basket a little too early, am I?

I don't want to seem like I'm repeating myself (I probably am), but it just seems a little too illogical that they're doing this before people have a chance to see Homecoming.

And aren't people excited about Homecoming?

EDIT:    WHAT.   

Are they really that prideful of themselves?!

edited 20th May '17 1:14:36 PM by TargetmasterJoe

Her exact words were that it may end after the Homecoming sequel. If Homecoming is a hit they are almost certainly gonna sign a new deal.

They made the deal in the first place because ASM 2 crashed their plans.

Im almost certain you already posted about it.

edited 20th May '17 1:18:50 PM by comicwriter

It's possible that Sony may make a deal so that Venom is connected to the MCU, but separate. For instance, Spider-Man: Homecoming is being made by Sony with input by Marvel, so they could do the same thing with the other films.

So essentially how Legion is being treated as a Fox/MCU co-production?

I get keeping options open, but if Homecoming is as good as it looks, they're probably better off leaving it in place.

I'm really sorry.

It's just that after a couple of recent disappointments and a big inevitable one looming over the horizon, you'd think they would be a little wiser about this!

I mean, a Shared Universe needs to be made with careful planning! That's why the DCEU had a rocky start! Because Man of Steel was supposed to be part 1 of a Dark Knight-esque trilogy of Superman movies! The Avengers was what got WB to think "holy shit, a cinematic universe ISN'T a waste of our time!"

Why can't Sony be all "hey Feige, is it too late to squeeze the Symbiote into Avengers 4?"

...again, sorry. I guess I haven't eaten much or whatever.

edited 20th May '17 1:34:26 PM by TargetmasterJoe

Honestly I'm not even upset about the lack of Venom in the MCU and heck, I'm not even opposed to the idea of a Venom solo movie but I also feel that he's one of those characters you have to earn the right to use properly in a movie through proper build-up.

This song needs more love.

Technically, all X-Men TV shows have to be Fox/Marvel co-productions, because while Fox owns the movie rights, Marvel still owns the TV rights but can't actually make any TV shows without Fox's approval. So to make any shows, they have to make them together.

The situation with Sony is slightly different. Marvel owns all the TV rights completely, which is why we have shows like Ultimate Spider-Man (where the previous show, Spectacular Spider-Man, was cancelled because it was made by Sony), but Sony owns all the film rights. However, after Amazing Spider-Man 2 made the least money out of all the Spider films, Sony decided to do an unprecedented move and share the rights to Spider-Man, on the condition that Sony would receive all the profits from a solo Spider-Man movie and Marvel would receive all the profits from a movie that simply included Spider-Man as a side character.

Hence: Spider-Man: Homecoming is technically a Sony movie, but with Marvel's input and making it part of the MCU (because they want to use Spider-Man in their films) and Sony letting them (because they want the solo Spider-Man films to do really good).

I'm not sure where Venom and Black Cat and Silver Sable would fit in. Generally, Black Cat and Silver Sable can work without Spider-Man — after all, Black Cat is simply a cat burglar, while Silver Sable is a mercenary, neither's origins depend on Spider-Man. Venom, however, kind of depends on Spider-Man or else you have no idea why he's wearing a black Spider-Man costume*. In any case, Sony may be making these films because they think simply having the profits of a solo Spider-Man film isn't enough, they want a larger chunk. But they could also try making a deal with Marvel to, again, share the characters, so if Marvel, say, wanted to use Venom in an Avengers or GOTG movie, it could.

I don't think they've done that so far, because Kevin Feige says he's had no input into any future movies past Spider-Man: Homecoming 2, but it's a wait and see thing.

*Of course, it could be as simple as Eddie Brock seeing Spider-Man on television and subconsciously imitating it with the symbiote.

edited 20th May '17 2:27:12 PM by alliterator

@Sony deal may end after Homecoming 2: Wow, it's like Sony just doesn't want money or something.

I don't think that's it. A deal of this sort is rather rare in Hollywood and likely required a shit ton of messy and annoying legal negotiating. By the time the Homecoming sequel ends the joint MCU-Sony Spider-Man will have been in five movies, which seems like a reasonable number for an initial run.

If you're on a deal like this it's probably in your best interest to have a finite end goal with a chance for renewal instead of locking in for a permanent thing, particularly if one party ends up not being happy with the deal.

The film will draw on the work of John Carpenter and David Cronenberg.

Ok now I think I'm looking forward to this

Didn't Fox say something similar about Fanfourstic?

edited 2nd Aug '17 7:16:48 PM by KnownUnknown

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

Riz Ahmed is in talks to play a role as a popular marvel character[1]

They also specified the character in question is not Carnage. I wonder who it could possibly be.

What does this have to do with anything?

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?

The topic is Venom, that was the third thing that came to mind, after Toxxin and Anti-Venom. Well, fourth, the very first being "It has to be something else, not another comic book movie!".

Anyway, I thought it was funny, and remembering it, I embedded it. Maybe the Spider-man fans would find it amusing, pick apart inaccuracies or something.

Michelle Williams is in talks to join the film.

Jenny Slate has been cast in the movie.

Tom Hardy as Eddie◊.