The crowner has been up for more than a month, and we have only one option at consensus rage. Hollering.
You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"
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I'm sorry, but at no point was there even a pretense of a wickcheck done to indicate that this name is broken.
Start over and do it right. TRS has been allowed to get sloppy about following our established procedures, and that is contributing to the backlog of unfinished threads. People like to say "this needs to be changed", but there's no reason for others to pitch in and help do the work.
edited 22nd Feb '17 10:15:23 AM by Madrugada
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Quick wick check. Starting from the bottom (just for a change of pace... my last dozen or so wick checks were from the top):
- X-Men: Brotherhood of Mutants: Misuse as retired villain.
- White Sheep: Pothole that just seems unrelated, really.
- MagnificentBastard.Western Animation: Odd one. Pothole, and the context seems like it's describing the trope... except that's it's misrepresenting what happened in the show. So I guess technically not misuse? Regardless, I'm going to cut this example anyway.
- Western Animation: Correct.
- WALLE Forum Roleplay: Misuse as "white collar villain."
- Villain with Good Publicity: Correct.
- Main/Villains: Context-less index.
- Unacceptable Sitch Series: Correct.
- T.U.F.F. Puppy: Correct
- Tropes M to Z: Correct.
- Tropes M to Z: Correct.
- Tropes A to L: Also correct.
- Tropes A to C: Correct.
- Tokyo Ghoul (Original): Ghouls: Correct.
- They Fight Crime!: Misuse as retired villain.
- The Sopranos: DiMeo Crime Family: The context is "Has a shot at a civilian life, but decides that crime pays better." which seems like misuse.
- The New Adventures of Superman: No context, but it's Lex Luthor. I'd be shocked if it wasn't correct.
- The Joker: ... okay, and yet the other posterboy for this is misuse as "retired villain."
- The Complainer Is Always Wrong: Correct.
- The Adventures of Batman & Robin E5 "House & Garden": Correct.
- That Man Is Dead: Correct.
- Tales of Monkey Island: Correct.
- Superman: The Animated Series: Again, no context, but it's Lex Luthor.
- Western Animation/Superfriends: Correct.
24 wicks (20% of the 120 total wicks):
- Misuse: 6
- Correct: 14
- No Context: 2
- Irrelevant: 1
So yeah. Not great, but really not that bad. I think what we do will have to depend on whether this is underperforming rather than misused, since we definitely have much more misused tropes that we had kept.
edited 22nd Feb '17 1:21:45 PM by Larkmarn
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Thank you, Larkmarn. I would also say underperforming and confusion may still be at issue, but misuse isn't bad enough to call for renaming. So:
What we need to look at for underperformance is "How often would we expect to find this trope being used?"
In this case, "Villain pretends to reform in order to further their plans" seems like it should be fairly common; only 120 wicks strikes me as rather low. So I would consider an argument that it's underperforming.
For confusion the questions are: "Is most of the misuse with the same other trope or set of tropes?" and "How many things that are properly examples of this trope are instead listed as some other trope? Is it usually the same one or set that is being confused?"
Again, in this case, it appears that most of the misuse is confusing Civilian Villain with Reformed (incorrect, because they haven't really reformed) or Retired (incorrect for the same reason.)
edited 22nd Feb '17 1:47:07 PM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Well, in terms of confusion, we do have the original Image Pickin thread where two fairly esteemed tropers made suggestions that were, by all indication, genuinely reformed criminals and even a mod being confused by the matter.
In terms of underuse, this is a really common stock supervillain plot in comics or Saturday morning cartoons.
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It's also not uncommon in Amateur Sleuth and Private Detective mysteries.
edited 22nd Feb '17 1:51:56 PM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
The Unknown
The trope's name isn't very indicative or reflective of its definition, so I'd argue that it's contributing to the underuse of an otherwise common trope. Unless we have it already under a different name.
Falsely Reformed Villain is a better name because it's much more clear of what the trope is about.
edited 22nd Feb '17 2:21:14 PM by Karxrida
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Yeah, I think the evidence for underuse is reasonably strong.
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According to RenamedTropes.A To E:
- Civilian Villain was previously named "Civillain" and was renamed for clarity since the pun in its title was far from obvious.
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And that name evidently is still bad.
World's Toughest Milkman
Ok, I made a new crowner
so we can decide if the underuse is sufficient to justify the rename.
I have no idea why it was chosen over the redirect, Falsely Reformed Villain.
Civilian Villain sounds like something completely unrelated to the trope concept.
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TRS is as capable of error as TLP. :)
It's one of the disadvantages of our pure-snout-counting system.
Anyway, the previous TRS thread is here. I think the problem was that most people just hated the name, and didn't bother to look at the description, so they all just went with the name which was closest to the existing one. (Possibly including me: I was a participant in the discussion, but I don't remember how—or if—I voted.)
The most ironic thing is that Falsely Reformed Villain came in dead last out of the seven names offered. 
edited 4th Mar '17 2:01:20 PM by Xtifr
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How sweet it is
Hooked the single prop crowner.
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If Falsely Reformed Villain is already a redirect, it can be swapped in as the new name. All the wick correcting will still have to be done, though.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
The Unknown
Current wick count is 121, so that won't be too difficult. 2-3 people could probably get it done in an hour.
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
I could do it in less than an hour. I just need to know it wouldn't be premature or anything.
World's Toughest Milkman
This is starting to look like an awfully solid consensus.
Speaking words of fandom: let it squee, let it squee.
The Unknown
We can totally call this. It's been over a week, we have a good voter turnout, and it's unanimous.
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
All right then. I'll get to it.
The Unknown
A mod still needs to come in to finalize it. Probably should holler for one.
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
World's Toughest Milkman
Yeah, not cool to jump the gun like that. Probably ok in this case, but mods have the right to overrule a crowner decision made on bad evidence or poor/misleading arguments or similar reasons. So, in general, don't assume a crowner is settled till a mod says so.
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Crowner called. The only mod objections came early in the thread when there was no evidence provided that there was misuse based on the name. Since that was provided, everything's kosher.
Swap to the new name; fix the wicks, and add it to the Renamed Tropes page.
edited 14th Mar '17 6:31:35 PM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
The Unknown
I blame myself for max jumping the gun tbh. I'll do some wick cleanup.
The related tab is bugged, which is kind of annoying.
EDIT: Killed ~50 wicks. Taking a break now.
edited 14th Mar '17 10:48:32 PM by Karxrida
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
Crown Description:
Yeah, I'm in favor of a rename. But. We're still supposed to have pretty strong arguments.
When To Rename A Trope:
The first means, no matter how bad you think the name is, if it's working, it's working, and shouldn't be renamed. And we normally require a Wick Check to prove it's actually being misused. But it also says:
And in this case, I think the usage is low enough to suggest the name is a problem, whether or not it's being misused.
Speaking words of fandom: let it squee, let it squee.