Fleshing this out makes the split more obvious. Honestly, I think what you really need to do is sandbox out the two subtropes, then take them to YKTTW, then when they're done we can split.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
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I actually see this working better as a single trope, minus the "type" split. The trope is "people crossing a border in order to flee the jurisdiction of some authority that's after them". Whether it's criminals running from legitimate authority (type A) or rebels running from illegitimate authority (type B) doesn't really make much of a difference in terms of how the trope is played out.
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
Other thoughts or opinions?
You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"
his is a tough one. I mean, I can see the case for a spit, but on the other hand the name is flexible enough to cover both usage cases. I say we simply go with ![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
I agree with post #3 above. The essential trope—running for the border to escape a punishment, to escape the authorites, etc—is the same, regardless of motivation. The trope should describe the ways the the trope may be manifested, but there doesn't seem to be a need for a Type A and a Type B and a soft split.
A agree with 3. Merging the description is the best move.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
I also agree with the merge idea; a hard split would force tropers to judge characters' morals in a way that I think is irrelevant to the basic trope.
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I can support making this one trope as opposed to two. It would be messy otherwise.
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+1 to merge.
There's a crowner. Poke the crowner.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Crowner called and locked.
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Merged the example sections and removed the type labels. I think someone should rewrite the description as well.
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Something to start you off.
When the law enforcement is actively looking for the characters, a Road Block is common to prevent their escape. When the law enforcement is unaware of the evasion, a Border Crossing scene may serve as climax. If the entire work is about the escape, you may see multiples of both.
See also another method of evading the law, Diplomatic Impunity.
edited 25th Jan '16 8:24:14 AM by crazysamaritan
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Pretty good so far. ![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
Bumping this. Is crazysamaritan's rewrite good to go?
How sweet it is
Looks good to me.
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It looks good to go.
You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"
Alright, I've swapped in the new description. Is there anything left to do here?
You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"
Apparently not. I'll request a lock then.
You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"
Link on discussion page needed before this can be locked.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Added a note there.
You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"
Closing then.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Crown Description:
What would be the best way to fix the page?
As it is currently written, the trope Run for the Border describes a situation where a character decides to leave their country for reason X.
Type A is your standard getaway for criminals and malcontents after they rob a bank or engage in a crime spree, to escape arrest and prosecution. This can even include travel within the same country. In the US for instance, the criminal will cross a "state line" (border between states) because the police of the state they were in has no jurisdiction in adjoining states. Especially common in Westerns, and other old U.S. movies. This also includes Prisoners of War who have escaped to an allied or neutral country as their goal after an escape attempt. Whether these types make it or not varies: it's an almost even split between those who do (and live in a lazy beach town Happily Ever After) and those who don't (usually dying in a Bolivian Army Ending).
Type B is the sufficiently more noble version, where a character's home country is either going Crapsack World by way of After the End, or is taken over by a totalitarian movement which quickly brings an end to the previous civil liberties, and escape is the only sane alternative. Fleeing the country is usually the end goal, and they'll likely either have to escape or avoid capture by the roving death-gangs or evil repressive authorities to leave.
The first immediately noticeable problem with this is the soft split into A-B page types, which promotes Type Labels Are Not Examples. This would be an easy fix in itself, but I think these two concepts, while related, actually have seperate meanings because of the status of the character who decides to leave and the type of character arc this usually implies.
While it's conceivable that a political refugee would (and probably is) branded as a criminal in their home country, this carries very different connotations from a character who committed genuine crimes like robbery or murder. The former can expect to find new hope away from the bad place they came from, the latter is a set-up for the character to be either a Karma Houdini or to delay justice for a later moment in the story.
As it stands, these two concepts are awkardly shoved together under the loosely defined "Leave country because X" trope.
Suggested solution: A split is needed. Criminal Escape To Foreign Soil would cover the first definition, while Escaping Tyranny would cover the first definition, though these names could obviously change during the process. The wick count for the page is 149, so splitting this would also be relatively easy to implement.
edited 2nd Jan '16 3:37:09 PM by Morgenthaler
You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"