Needs Help: Spoiled Sweet

This ain't gender specific... right?

It is gender specific. The one actual male example we've found is from a deliberately genederflipped romance novel.

The genederflipped romance novel examples goes on the page as a rare male example, right?

We don't have Rare Male Example for nothing, ain't it?

Yeah. Rare Male Example is a thing, but people seem shoehorn happy for male characters for this one, in part because we're lacking the actual tropes that the male characters fall into. The Apathetic Rich, who don't seem to care at all about their fame and fortune (unless they lose it). The Protective Noble, who thanks to Noblesse Oblige takes care of his people because they're his people. (This can also apply to business owners.) The Secretly Rich character who turns out to have this vast fortune that they just never mentioned.

Edit: Huh, we do have that last one. It might also be nice to have a Rich And Powerful Index for tropes that explain how people with money are portrayed.

edited 16th Mar '15 4:16:49 PM by shimaspawn

We have this Rich People index.

I'd be willing to YKTTW those suggested tropes, though I might need help with at least the initial write-ups and first few examples.

Wealthy Philanthropist is doing quite nicely, having just got its third hat. (Link).

Sorry for the double post, but I just noticed that this trope is listed on Older Than Print.

• Spoiled Sweet: Kaguya-hime, the Shining Princess from the 8th or 9th-century Japanese Fairy Tale of the same name (or "The Tale of the Bamboo Cutter").

Does anybody know if this is accurate? Unfortunately, I haven't read this fairy-tale. But generally, I don't think classic princesses especially from older works fit much. However if this is kosher, I might seriously rethink the write-up for Austen's Emma which I figured out would be an Unbuilt Trope. Cher from Clueless was mentioned as a trope codifier and almost a trope namer, and based on Emma who was basically a trope maker. Though from what I get from the book, Emma is not a straight example. Unbuilt Trope sounded about right, but if this trope is that old as the example in the Older than Print index suggests, then the context I added is not correct.

(edited for typos and grammar)

edited 17th Mar '15 2:33:06 AM by XFllo

I don't know. I didn't get the rich bit from the versions of that tale I read. She was loved, but she was raised by a poor family.

Beloved Child might be another trope we need. They tend to be from poor backgrounds, but they have parents who love them and are willing to sacrifice for them. They're generally sweet as pie because they see the sacrifice their parents have to give them what they want and need, but Spoiled Sweet is entirely the wrong trope.

edited 16th Mar '15 5:42:32 PM by shimaspawn

Hmm, I read the page on the Japanese fairy-tale on The Other Wiki and I did not see the trope Spoiled Sweet in it at all.

Sorry for jumping in the thread late, but someone added this sort of entry in My Kitchen Rules:

• Jennifer of Leigh & Jennifer in Season 3. With the title Princess to prove it, she gave excessive details of what she didn't like in her dish and had a tendency to say "Yeah!".

The way that entry is written, it seems like a shoe-horn, but I have some reservations about cutting it, since I don't watch the third season.

As for Kaguya-Hime, I did read some versions where the couple became rich after adopting Kaguya, because the old man kept on finding a lot of gold in the bamboo he cuts, and they spoiled her because she's so dainty and beautiful. What I'm not really getting is the "sweet" aspect, though, since I don't remember reading any mentions of her personality.

edited 23rd Mar '15 10:00:22 PM by Adept

They both look like shoehorns. Just delete them for lack of context as ZC Es and move on.

Progress report:

• I launched a Wealthy Philanthropist a few days ago
• I reviewed the discussion and think that Shima's ideas for tropes that are definitely worthy of YKTTW. To sum them up:
  • Sheltered Noble (nice enough to their friends and people they like, but might treat other people badly and not respectfully enough; might change their ways once they discover the world outside their home)
  • Beloved Child (their parents very much wanted a child and think of them as a blessing, take exemplary care of them and are willing to sacrifice for them, therefore the kids tend to be sweet and nice to everybody in return)
  • Apathetic Rich (they don't seem to care at all about their fame and fortune, perhaps unless they lose it)
  • Protective Noble (thanks to Noblesse Oblige takes care of his people because they're his people; this can also apply to business owners who hold themselves responsible for their employees)

• I try to clean-up related pages and check it for misuse, but it has lots of wicks. I can't do it alone.

Edited by XFllo on Mar 18th 2019 at 12:48:19 PM

I don't recall the name but would the sheltered rich kid boy from Peter F. Hamilton's The Nano Flower count? H e was certainly spoiled and soft but not at all mean, tot he point the high-end prostitute his Father hired fell in love with him.

No idea. Never read it.

So what was the decision to do with this trope, again? Last I remember, Wealthy Philanthropist was being YKTTW'ed scratch that, it's already up by now.

edited 27th May '15 11:20:08 AM by MarqFJA

It's staying Always Female with the one exception being a work that purposely and completely flipped all gender roles. We've been looking to find the missing sistertropes that are attracting misuse of this.

Hey there. I added an example recently to the trope. Got a pm about word cruft and, going back and forth to fix the entry, the other troper was concerned at possible misuse and suggested I show the revised entry here to double check.

The entry:

• Seikan Girls' Academy, the setting of Syomin Sample, is an Elevator School secluded in the mountains where the daughters of the rich and famous are educated to become Yamato Nadeshikos. As such, the entire student body is Spoiled Sweet by design. An Establishing Character Moment comes in the first chapter when a group of girls have their first experience with Kimito's mobile phone. Reiko Arisugawa leans forward and politely greets the person on the other line. When the line abruptly disconnects, the girls wonder if she's ill, consider writing a condolence letter, only for Reiko to take charge and insist they pray that the person on the phone be able to finish whatever business pulled them away without problems.

Seems to hit the points of the trope's laconic (Rich, sheltered, naive, optimistic and genuinely nice to everyone.). Left out of the entry for the sake of length is that the closest things to a Spoiled Brat or Alpha Bitch are still kind and selfless when push comes to shove (ex the former sacrificed a plan to improve her popularity to help the latter after she had an argument with friends [an occurrence so unusual that it affected the entire class])

EDIT: Since it's sat here a while without response, I'm going to at least go ahead and put it on the page proper (my original, somewhat crufty entry was left there pending double check here). If there's an issue just say the word and I'll edit/remove right away.

edited 16th Jun '15 5:20:05 PM by sgamer82

Bumping the thread... Clean-up work still needed.

I was the one who messaged you over the trope being applied to a whle group of girls. I think it is kind of problematic — can really be all girls that sweet throughout the novel? No Alpha Bitch among them? Do they never argue? But if the author really treats them that way, then I guess it is an ok example.

edited 21st Jun '15 7:01:33 AM by XFllo

The closest thing to an Alpha Bitch in the series so far is still fairly Lovable. The girls argue so little that one chapter features said alpha snapping at a friend in frustration and it becomes such a huge deal it affects the entire classroom. Girls who don't fit the trope are the exception rather than the rule and, to be fair, among the primary cast (a genius prodigy who does little in the way of social interaction and a wannabe-swordswoman tsundere). The specific incident noted in the entry (which can be seen starting here, if you want to see firsthand) is used as an Establishing Character Moment to provide an example of what the majority of students are like.

edited 22nd Jun '15 10:36:22 PM by sgamer82

Bump for ~shimaspawn's sake.

Honestly, it seems a bit too general of an example, but it does seem to fit the spirit.

Yeah. That's one reason I made a point of adding a specific incident of the trope since issues with the entry were first brought to my attention.