Checking the examples is more productive for our purposes, I think. I'll give them a skim.
Mugging the Monster
gets a clean bill of health. I don't see misuse in its examples, and I don't see misplaced examples of it on the other pages. So no problems for the "unaware of the danger" cases.
The common thread in Did You Just Flip Off Cthulhu?
is defiance. It has a lot of overlap with I Shall Taunt You
(when it's done as a distraction or stalling tactic or whatever), Do Not Taunt Cthulhu
(when they get smushed for it), and Defiant to the End
(when they know they're about to die anyway), but those examples tend to be cases where both tropes do legitimately apply, so they're not incorrect.
Do Not Taunt Cthulhu
and Bullying a Dragon
have the most overlap between examples.
The description and page image for Do Not Taunt Cthulhu
make it clear that it's supposed to be for examples where the taunter gets punished for it, which is something the other trope doesn't require. Most of the examples comply. There are some with no retaliation—those fit better on Bullying a Dragon
, but if we didn't have the other trope, I'd just drop them in the Tropes Are Flexible
box as Defied
examples (which they basically are).
Bullying a Dragon
's examples tend to fall under the dictionary definition of "bullying." The "kids on the playground" examples, for instance, show up here. (Which is good.) Retaliatory and non-retaliatory examples show up; the examples don't distinguish between the two. (Which is fine.)
The overlap definition-wise is in the spots where the Dragon getting Bullied decides to punish the offender. Which side of the line these examples fall in basically comes down to those dictionary definitions. Taunting ends up in Do Not Taunt Cthulhu
, bullying ends up in Bullying a Dragon
Honestly, I'm not too hung up about it. Bullying a Dragon
and Do Not Taunt Cthulhu
would benefit from routine curation and cleanup. So would twenty thousand other tropes. There's a bit of misuse, but the misplaced examples are easily outnumbered by the nattery
or incorrectly indented
ones. If you're looking for something to fix, that's where I'd start.
If a larger problem came to light, we could talk. But barring further evidence, I am confident that no TRS action is necessary here.
edited 2nd Jan '14 8:43:01 PM by troacctid