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0dd1 Just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2009
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#251: Apr 20th 2013 at 8:53:07 PM

That's a sound that makes you thankful for the modern world.

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#252: Apr 20th 2013 at 9:19:47 PM

Indeed.

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pagad Sneering Imperialist from perfidious Albion Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#253: Apr 21st 2013 at 3:13:25 AM

That's the problem. Everything does it. There's no more creativity in instrumentation. It's all the same cut and paste repeated ad nauseam shit. Same basslines, same drumlines, basic melodies, no more real solos or solo sections of instrumentation, no more dueling instruments.

If this is your honest opinion, you haven't exactly been searching very hard. You know that Progressive Rock and Progressive Metal are things, right?

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0dd1 Just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2009
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#254: Apr 21st 2013 at 3:18:57 AM

Or even just experimental in general:

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MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#255: Apr 21st 2013 at 6:44:57 AM

^ Two of the instrument lines play the same thing over and over again. (The drums and the background guitar.) The string bass instrument thing (I don't know the name, I just know how it sounds) had very limited deviation.

Lyrically and unrelated to that, that track sounded like a Banshee.

But seriously, a ton of repetition in that. How do I know? I know how to listen carefully and pick a song apart line by line, instrument by instrument. I might not know the names of the instruments but I can separate them out from the track and see what they do in my head.

ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#256: Apr 21st 2013 at 7:02:43 AM

You must really hate fugues.

Alma The Harbinger of Strange from Coruscant Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#257: Apr 21st 2013 at 7:05:39 AM

the pop is crap

The pop is crap

The pop is crap

THE POP IS CRAP

Clearly, you're not a 90s kid.

edited 21st Apr '13 7:05:48 AM by Alma

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#258: Apr 21st 2013 at 8:41:14 AM

@Tom: ...why shouldn't the drums and rhythm/backing guitar play the same thing over and over? That's what they're there for; keeping the rhythm.

edited 21st Apr '13 8:45:23 AM by Lemurian

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GlobsterAGoGo from Mobile Leprechaun's alt account Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#259: Apr 21st 2013 at 8:46:00 AM

Tom, purely out of curiosity, what is a piece of music that you enjoy listening to that does not have the characteristics you have mentioned as being unoriginal?

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0dd1 Just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2009
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#260: Apr 21st 2013 at 12:16:07 PM

Okay Tom, try THIS on for size!

(And it's still kinda relevant to the thread since it's all '90s music!)

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ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#261: Apr 21st 2013 at 12:55:08 PM

I do love me some accordion.

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#262: Apr 21st 2013 at 1:16:48 PM

One person: I don't like X.
Everyone else: Surely that's because you haven't listened to the right X! Here, listen to the X that I like!

Anyway, 90s music will always have a special place in my heart. Orbital put out some of the best techno ever. My Bloody Valentine put out the best shoegazing album ever, while Starflyer 59 put out my favorite shoegazing album ever. Afro Celt Sound System started their weird fusion thing and recorded their best song, "Release". A bunch of my favorite one- or two-album wonders put out their CD in 1999. Buena Vista Social Club, the US's introduction to Afro-Cuban music, came out in 1997. Calexico grew the beard on their 1998 album The Black Light. Third-wave ska happened. Switchfoot was a hell of a lot more interesting in the 90s than they've been since 2003. The Newsboys put out their best stuff then. Spiritualized put out Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating in Space and some other albums. Jars of Clay put out their Tough Act to Follow debut and sophomore albums. Stereolab were still darlings of the music critics. The KLF rode acid house to the top of the radio charts, while giving the music industry the middle finger all the way up (and somehow found time to record one of the best ambient house albums ever on the side).

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#263: Apr 21st 2013 at 1:17:59 PM

I have not heard of a single one of those artists. Shun the faker!

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ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#264: Apr 21st 2013 at 1:26:52 PM

@Meta: Well Tom is saying that he doesn't like repetition when repetition has been the cornerstone of music for... well, ever. I am trying to think of musical forms without repetition and I really can't think of any. When you get into improv and stuff you still need a steady rhythm section so it's still "the same." Instrumental music is often very repetitive, mimicking themes from earlier (especially in a multi-movement piece, pieces of themes will return from very long ago) and the rhythm section is often steady to support the rest of the piece. A lot of early music was very repetitive so that people could remember it. I'm just really trying to think of any music without any repetition and it just seems like it would be very unpleasant to listen to.

MetaFour AXTE INCAL AXTUCE MUN from A Place (Old Master)
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#265: Apr 21st 2013 at 1:34:07 PM

I have not heard of a single one of those artists. Shun the faker!

As my high school science teacher once told us, "You're derived! ... I mean, deprived."

All of those musicians I mentioned are pretty popular in certain circles—it's just that these circles have very little overlap with the mainstream, apparently.

ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#266: Apr 21st 2013 at 1:36:35 PM

I've heard of Switchfoot, Calexico, and Spiritualized, though Spiritualized is the only one I've listened to a lot of.

[down] That's what I've been wondering.

edited 21st Apr '13 1:49:32 PM by ohsointocats

Completion oldtimeytropey from Space Since: Apr, 2012
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#267: Apr 21st 2013 at 1:46:00 PM

You don't like repetition in music?

Do you just not like music?

GlobsterAGoGo from Mobile Leprechaun's alt account Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#268: Apr 21st 2013 at 1:51:56 PM

[up]I heard there was a sacred chord
that David played, and it pleased the Lord
but you don't really care for music, do-
(Shot.)

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0dd1 Just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2009
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#269: Apr 21st 2013 at 1:54:14 PM

I've heard OF all the bands Meta Four mentioned, though I've only heard music from like three of them.

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#271: Apr 21st 2013 at 2:10:13 PM

Globster yes. evil grin

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ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#272: Apr 21st 2013 at 2:17:09 PM

That's it, I'm taking away your voice privileges.

GlobsterAGoGo from Mobile Leprechaun's alt account Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#273: Apr 21st 2013 at 2:18:53 PM

Oh n-

(Mimes discontentedly.)

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montmorencey So...yeah. from the quaint town of Grimm, Bismarck and Gauss Since: Aug, 2011
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#274: Apr 21st 2013 at 2:21:30 PM

I'd like to thank the guys with the rap suggestions a couple of pages back.

I'm very happy right now~

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MetaFour AXTE INCAL AXTUCE MUN from A Place (Old Master)
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#275: Apr 21st 2013 at 2:27:29 PM

Well Tom is saying that he doesn't like repetition when repetition has been the cornerstone of music for... well, ever. I am trying to think of musical forms without repetition and I really can't think of any. When you get into improv and stuff you still need a steady rhythm section so it's still "the same." Instrumental music is often very repetitive, mimicking themes from earlier (especially in a multi-movement piece, pieces of themes will return from very long ago) and the rhythm section is often steady to support the rest of the piece. A lot of early music was very repetitive so that people could remember it. I'm just really trying to think of any music without any repetition and it just seems like it would be very unpleasant to listen to.
Well, I can't speak for Major Tom, but there is a lot of room for dynamism in the rhythm, even without making the music a mess. Even for improv, you can vary your rhythm section at set points, or use the tried-and-true method of having your instruments swap between rhythm and lead.

But unfortunately, when I see people recommending music that's "so out there, man" (I'm not pointing fingers at anyone here), it's usually something that falls to the extremes of trancey repetition or complete cacophony, rather than something aiming for that sweet spot in the middle.

I will agree with you that dismissing repetition altogether is a perfect way to cut oneself off from a lot of good music.


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