Needs Help: Bio Shock 1

Currently, the first Bio Shock game is titled BioShock, while the series is under BioShock. Seeing how Bioshock isn't called "Bio Shock 1", could the original game take the BioShock namespace, with the franchise going under Bio Shock?

Franchise/ pages are usually only for works with many mediums. If the first game was called "Bio Shock" and the others "Bio Shock 2", just make the first game "Bio Shock (year)" as in Castlevania

In fairness, Castlevania has multiple games with the name Castlevania... that's what I most often the the date disambiguations for.

Plus, it's confusing for people adding to trope pages that don't know the year it came out.

Canwe make a Bio Shock and BioShock separately, one Main/ and one Video Game/

edited 19th Feb '13 6:05:26 PM by Larkmarn

No. No work pages in Main.

eta: you could have something like Bio Shock Series for the series and BioShock for the first game. We have other cases like that: Red Mars Trilogy for the trilogy and Red Mars, Blue Mars and Green Mars for the individual books (although those last three are redirects at the moment).

edited 19th Feb '13 6:11:28 PM by Xtifr

...what if we custom-titled VideoGame.BioShock1 as "BioShock" ?

edited 19th Feb '13 7:28:44 PM by Stratadrake

Hmm, can't say it's not a tempting solution...but I think it might be a little too confusing. Violates the principle of least surprise.

Well, according to wikipedia, Bioshock has a prequel novel called Bio Shock: Rapture, so it may justify a Franchise/ page.

Someone should go read a book and make a franchise page. Works for me.

Good point.

That said, it would be good to set a precedent for other single genre works that are named for the first game. I can't think of any examples off the top of my head that are big enough that each sequel has its own page, but doesn't have any other mediums.

Kingdom Hearts. Franchise.Kingdom Hearts is for the series, and VideoGame.Kingdom Hearts for the first game. It doesn't have any other mediums (there are manga based on the games but there aren't enough differences to justify their own pages).

Grand Theft Auto also has the first game as Grand Theft Auto (Classic), which I don't think is an official title in any regard.

This is a matter of agreeing on a splitting option. Now that someone's mentioned the novel, I agree on a Franchise/ vs VideoGame/ distinction.

We do have a moderate amount of precedent in Literature/. I mentioned Red Mars Trilogy earlier, but I can probably find a bunch of other examples. We have The Snow Queen Series, which is (mostly) unrelated to The Snow Queen (though the latter does have a disambiguation), so that may just confuse matters. But X Series or something like that is a pretty common naming pattern in our literature section.

I thought Franchise/ was mostly supposed to be limited to things in three or more media, but I definitely have no personal objection to it being used for something with two.

edited 20th Feb '13 12:13:09 PM by Xtifr

IMHO a franchise is a franchise and whether it manifests in single or multiple media^note (including The Merch where applicable), that is splitting hairs. Franchise/ should be used for the series/franchise as a whole and Video Game/ only for the each individual game (like how Film/ would be used for The Film of the Book and so on).

edited 20th Feb '13 6:02:17 PM by Stratadrake

I think that makes sense; I'm just passing on what I've heard in other forums.

Anyway, I think we need some better guidelines for this sort of situation in general—what if we hadn't found a book?—but for now, I'm inclined to say we have a solution for this case.

That's what I thought too. I can't see why anyone would object to making a franchise page for... a franchise.

But this isn't really a TRS issue anyway.

edited 20th Feb '13 8:25:19 PM by troacctid

So, can we go ahead with this then?

Yes.

The problem is that it doesn't require much to turn a single-media work into a franchise, and then we end up with a useless Franchise page because some show had one tie-in comic book that gets three or four examples, and most of the examples pertain to the main work.

I don't like the 1 numbering (it's on some other games, too) but it's okay as long as it's just used as the page title. All wicks can and should be ''[[VideoGame/{{Bioshock1}} Bioshock]]''. It's more annoying to write, but it lets most of the site use the right name.

The other option is VideoGame/{{Mass Effect|1}}. Less typing.

That's not useless, it's far preferrable. If you have no Franchise/ page to cover all the games, then you end up with horrible indentation. Final Fantasy I and II are part of the same franchise. If there is no franchise umbrella page to cover the whole series, then there is no way to indent them properly, other than using separate first level bullets, which is wrong, inconvenient and is responsible for a number of duplicate examples all over the wiki. Far better to have a franchise page.

edited 24th Feb '13 1:07:05 AM by lu127

Kind of in the same camp here. I was there when the namespace has been designated for multimedia franchises, so I really feel that a tie-in novel or two doesn't a qualifier for the namespace make. However, I guess I suppose there'll be some leeway since there's been work on a BioShock film (though I honestly don't know if it'll surface).

Things like Mass Effect and Final Fantasy are fine by me, but I'm kind of hesitant to have this get the Franchise/ namespace too, given that there's only one tie-in novel that I know of.

edited 24th Feb '13 11:06:30 AM by EarlOfSandvich

Mass Effect does have a lot of stuff associated with it. Bioshock... not so much. But it is gearing up to get there.

edited 24th Feb '13 11:20:56 AM by shimaspawn

So, apparently we have agreement on moving BioShock to Bio Shock and BioShock to BioShock. Am I getting this info right?

Not really. Not saying it should be stopped, but I do have reservations of designating a Franchise/ namespace because of just one novel tie-in.

Can this be put up for a vote?