Prematurely launched pages and pages that weren't fully fleshed out at the point of launching, are a big problem. Since these usually share several problems at once, this thread is aimed at re-running them through the TLP for fixing - the usual fix - or cutting them if they are too bad.
Problems this thread deals with include bad names, not enough/bad examples, unclear description, etc.
For the interested, here's a list of recently created pages. Launches
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Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 24th 2023 at 12:24:55 PM
I'd be fine with some of the SD pages getting removed. Someone has been rather... too create-happy about it, and while I did make some, I had a lingering feeling that maybe this shouldn't be what we're doing. But some needs to stay if it made sense. I'd vote for just Deadpool, really.
edited 29th Aug '15 8:26:26 AM by ChrisX
Additional stubs: Slightly Eccentric, Manga Gaga, Lets Be Friends Again, Webmasters, Pants Seat Carpet Ride, Worse, Very Bad Koalas, Taylors Polynomials, Runnin With A Gun, Striptease, Stencil88, Sketchy, Rhydonand Finnigan, Spikeboy, Out Of Print, OC And Dee, Law Toons, Happyface Comics, Housetrapped, Double Reacharound Red, Funny Internet Comic, Filler House, GCD, and Fajita.
Also came across Strawberry Syrup, which seems to be misplaced; Cirque Du Monde, which looks like an unfinished page with some other issues as well; and City Of The Dead, which has apparently been renamed and moved... somewhere.
edited 29th Aug '15 9:38:36 AM by Morgenthaler
You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"I also think the SD pages have gotten a little out of control, and I would be in favor of cutting the vast majority of them. Deadpool's is the only one I would like to stay.
@Ominae: Until at least three mediums have their own pages, the page should be moved. Unless you can create these three pages in a short time.
@Morgenthaler: Oi. That's a long laundry list. I think other people - not just me - need to cutlist these expired pages.
Re: Self Demo pages: I am going to take this as consensus to remove the ones listed here so far.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman@Septimus: The easier way to say which Self-Demo character pages needs to be removed is, well ALL of them EXCEPT Deadpool.
The harder way: Go make up some standards to make a Self Demonstrating Character Page, then remove those who don't fit.
Whichever you choose.
edited 29th Aug '15 5:03:30 PM by ChrisX
Brian Blessed is pretty legit.
I don't think a complete purge is in order, but something seriously needs to be done about this.
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?In that case, I recommend asking some people who tends to create a lot of self demonstrating pages themselves even when it's not proper to come here. Some names that come to mind are matt3291992 or 313 Bluestreak...
And of course, me.
There are several SD pages worth salvaging, such as the Joker's, and others only need to be improved (like Mojo Jojo's and maybe Kamina's).
Only the ones for characters whose manner of speech isn't interesting or distinct enough should be deleted. And having a rule for any future pages would help, such as putting them in a Sandbox or a YKTTW first.
Today's worklist:
- Blue And Orange Sexuality: Stub trope with no YKTTW and a lengthy Real Life section by ~Visp.
- The Hellofthe Nine Realms: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- The Mysteryofthe Childrenof Odin: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- One Last Goodbye: Stub trope with no YKTTW and no examples by ~tweeety
- Righteous Rage: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- The Shepherds Crown: ~Roo, book pages go into the Literature/ namespace.
- Site Player Characters: ~arkenova89, which work is this page about?
If we leave SD Deadpool and such, I'd say we still should remove the redirects from non-SD namespaces.
Discworld is a legitimate namespace, according to its Literature.Discworld page. There may be overlaps with other novels, so we put them there. It's come up before, and consensus was to keep the Discworld namespace for now.
edited 30th Aug '15 6:56:47 AM by TheOneWhoTropes
Keeper of The Celestial Flamecutlist One Last Goodbye because in addition to its problems, it's the same as Pre-Sacrifice Final Goodbye. The name could be kept as a less wordy redirect to that, though.
OH MY GOD; MY PARENTS ARE GARDENIIIIINNNNGGGGG!!!!!We have Blue-and-Orange Morality. A Sexuality subtrope strikes me as far too fine a split. The Blue and Orange concept is also apparently about ways that don't make sense to us poor humans, but make perfect sense to the sentient beings who follow them. Which means it can't have RL examples, since no sentient aliens are known to exist, most animals wouldn't count, and we currently have no way of knowing if the more intelligent ones qualify.
I say that needs the axe.
edited 30th Aug '15 4:54:59 PM by Candi
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry PratchettAlso voting for Blue And Orange Sexuality to get nuked. Even ignoring that it's almost accepted that many human sexualities aren't simply x or y, it's a prime target for all kinds of misuse and confusion. And probably unnecessary.
edited 30th Aug '15 6:01:28 PM by lakingsif
OH MY GOD; MY PARENTS ARE GARDENIIIIINNNNGGGGG!!!!!Individual Word Struggle is a un-YKTT Wed trope with one example. Literature/Price is an unindexed work stub with no examples. Literature/Afterglow is a work stub with four examples, three of which are ZC Es. The customary P Ms have been sent for all three. I also cutlisted Individual-Word-Struggle.
Edit: And here's another one: FanFic.Spikes Nameless Brother
edited 30th Aug '15 7:22:05 PM by phoenix
Today's worklist:
- Individual Word Struggle: Stub trope without YKTTW by ~Hocus Locus; support cutting this until it's been launched through YKTTW.
- The Mighty Jingles: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- Validation: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- Welcome Reality + Equestria: Stub work page; creator messaged.
Also, are Freddy Fazbear and Foxy The Pirate Fox by ~batmany worth having?
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanNeither of the characters have a distinct voice. Cut them.
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?I've expanded the Jingles page. If it needs anything more, let me know and I'll see what I can do.
Yep, the Discworld books have their own name space because they were having far too many namespace collisions. Same reason Disney has one.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. DickWhile we're on the topic of SD pages... SelfDemonstrating.Mitsuru Kirijo.
This is bad. Really bad. And Persona 3 is one of my favorite games of all time. It makes no attempt at a unique voice for the character, the entries are just "This applies to me."
Some of which are hilariously out of character anyway.
Also, no one else has commented on the various Adventure Time SD pages (Ice King, Princess Bubblegum, Marceline, Simon Petrikov).
edited 31st Aug '15 11:26:49 AM by Larkmarn
Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.Maybe there should be a ban on SD character pages for a while, until the ones we have are cleaned up or cut and there's some outline for when they can be made.
OH MY GOD; MY PARENTS ARE GARDENIIIIINNNNGGGGG!!!!!Parroting what I said in the SD Characters thread: the Adventure Time SD pages should be cut for lacking a distinct voice.
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?At this rate, it might becomes necessary to have a SD review thread like there is for Five-Man Band and Complete Monster. (/half-serious, half-morbid humor)
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry PratchettActually, I think that would've been a decent idea, rather than having people spam them with low quality. In fact, I am prepared to have SD pages created by me be reviewed.
3 mediums? I only got games and novels. Don't know about putting the short movies.
You want the Hayarigami page (that talks about the franchise) moved?