You do realize that "Throw out the EU" doesn't mean "Recycle elements from the movies", right?
That's why I want to abandon it. That's why I want there to be no characters from previous movies unless they are critical to the plot. I don't want the adventures of Han and Leia's kids. I don't want another Skywalker story. I want the writers to actually try to do new things with Star Wars.
edited 23rd Nov '12 12:01:01 AM by Scardoll
Fight. Struggle. Endure. Suffer. LIVE.I might be going against the grain here, but Vader should cast a long shadow over the sequel trilogy. Either he should be relevant as the father of two of the main characters, or he should appear in flashbacks.
I do agree, however, that he should not be brought back to life.
Schild und Schwert der ParteiYou keep saying it has limited scope. What the hell do you mean?
The fact that they exist doesn't mean they need to be the focus. You're throwing out like a hundred babies out with the bathwater. The Star Wars universe literally shrinks to about a dozen planets and a handful of poorly described factions once you remove everything having to do with the EU. That is limited scope. And almost every addition made by Lucas and Co. has fallen flat of the material provided by the EU (pacifistic Mandalorians, anyone?)
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."Yeah. There's some things that the movies do that get reiterated as gospel down the line that just can't be shaked.
Take the force for example. The force is a mystical ability that is said to be a part of everyone's life force and can be controlled by certain people to do different things. We're shown that it can alter other's thoughts, telekinetically move objects and shoot lightning.
Almost every force ability shown in the games, novels, comics and prequels is some variation of those things. Why don't we have Jedi that's learned to turn invisible? Or a Sith that can manipulate flames? Branch out a bit, space-wizards.
And could we, puh-lease, retcon midichlorians out of the entire saga somehow? :P
I actually thought of Midi-chlorians as a lie, a bacterial weapon designed by Sith ages ago to feed on force user's strength, hence why stronger force-sensitives carry more. Some Jedi knew the truth, but accepted it to make sure none of them got too strong.
That is my headcanon.
A god amongst men.
I never understood why people were so upset about midichlorians. I assumed they're just microscopic creatures drawn to force sensitive folk, and act as a measure of how powerful one's connection to the force is.
The last hurrah? Nah, I'd do it again.Nope. Their existence is what lets things use the force in the first place. Also, y'now, live. Oh, and they're sentient.
Oh, okay. Yeah, that's pretty lame.
The last hurrah? Nah, I'd do it again.The events of the originally trilogy shouldn't be the main focus, I don't think. The story has been told, let Return of the Jedi be the high-note on which it ends. That said, they can have some kind of role.
General wisdom accepts that R 2 D 2 serves as some kind of record keeper, retelling events that happened and a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, so why not use that handy little trait? Say we're a hundred years on from Jedi, and R 2 D 2 is the only surviving witness to basically everything involving the rise and fall of the Empire and the birth of the new Republic. He alone has been able to witness and record the lives, experiences and teachings of people like Yoda, Obi-Wan Kenobi and both Skywalker's - naturally, this makes him a very valuable bit of kit. Picture an interplanetary race to find R2 and unlock the answer to a mysterious secret recorded by Luke Skywalker (aka Mark Hamill cameo) before his death.
And let us pray that come it may (As come it will for a' that)The Old Republic stuff from Bioware somewhat dodges those problems, but runs into new ones. Apparently, there has barely any technological innovation in a galaxy-spanning Republic for thousands of years.
Shirow explained it better.
Anyway, Lucas isn't writing the film. Therefore, I have hope that whoever is writing it will add interesting new things; the problem is that some people seem to think "Character who showed up in the 90's literature" counts as fresh and new.
edited 23rd Nov '12 1:02:03 PM by Scardoll
Fight. Struggle. Endure. Suffer. LIVE.As I recall turning invisible was a force power in KOTOR II.
"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des UrsinsThat's actually something I could get behind. The prequels were so freaking boring when it came to the force. It's like how Neo after The Matrix only has the superpowers he showed at the end of that movie.
Fight. Struggle. Endure. Suffer. LIVE.So Darth Vader Clone who can turn invisible and walk through walls. Any other suggestions?
"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des UrsinsMichael Bay directing.
Fuck no.
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."No troll answers, please.
Center it around Ahsoka Tano, because, well, it'd be kind of awesome. Have some fun with the movies. Kind of a Rosencrantz and Guildenstern sidestory. Make the first one the most serious, with her escaping Order 66 (alongside Captain Rex, who was one of the clones who questioned the order and is branded a traitor), and drifting for a time before hearing whispers that one of her former master's children was there, and going to look for Leia-leaving moments before the Death Star arrives. Episode VIII would have Ahsoka arriving on Hoth, shortly after the Imperial taking of the base- and having a brief confrontation with Vader, who gives her no clue to who he is, but feels familiar to her. She retreats, refusing to acknowledge what she felt- not even paying attention to where she was piloting, the Force guiding her to Dagobah, as Luke has just left. Yoda pushes her to seek Vader again- "A lesson to be learned, there is. Seek Vader. Fight him, you will. The key, he holds." This is THE Vader fight for her- she is defeated, but only because Rex steps in. Vader reveals his identity to her. The film ends on a rattled Ahsoka retreating after Rex is killed by Vader. Episode IX would open with Ahsoka taking out her anger taking down arms of criminal operations- Xizor's Black Nebula and the Hutt to be specific. After Luke takes down Jabba, she's reminded of what she should really be focusing on, and trying to find Anakin's children again... but she is always a step behind the Rebels, and in the end, arrives at the Endor Celebration... "...I've been looking for you a long time, Skywalker." And the Adventure Continues ending there.
Titles: Episode VII: Balance of the Force Episode VIII: Shadows of the Mind's Eye Episode IX: Redemption of the Jedi
No responses to obvious troll answers, please.
The last hurrah? Nah, I'd do it again.Too bad it has to be a sequel trilogy. I would have liked it more if they just got Liam Neeson to play Qui-Qon again and just made the movie about how badass he is. They would have to make it before he took on Obi Wan, though, because then the movie would be about Short Round with a lightsaber.
Oh, and I think it would be pretty cool if they made a movie out of the Dark Forces games. Jedi Outcast in particular. But that's another thing that's basically never going to happen.
Anyway... well, let's see. I think it would be cool if the main character wasn't able to use the force. And maybe tone the scale down. Instead of saving the universe, make the movie about them trying to accomplish something more personal, and the movie is about them exploring places in Star Wars universe instead of them spending all their time on battlefields and remote space stations and moons. To them, they don't care about the dark side or the light side, or anything like that. Their goal is the thing, and the thing isn't "the balance of the universe". But I still want it to be an action-ish movie. Becuase, I mean - come on. That stuff's cool. But the only people with space-magic are the bad guys, and the main character for some reason or another, either wants them dead, or they want the character dead, or some third option I'm not clever enough to think up on my own.
Maybe they're like Darca Nyl, where some Dark Jedi kills the only person they care about and spends the movie chasing this jackass down. Or the film could be some sort of space version of The Running Man where the main character spends the film on the run, crashing through the walls of various different places on the planet, while giving us a good look inside. Perhaps they used to be a stormtrooper, and back in the day they were on a strike force escorting this one Dark Jedi, who winds up being the new Dark Lord of the Sith, and the main character is the only one in the universe* that knows some sort of thing that's worth killing them over.
In any case, he or she is just a dude or chick going around, and not the chosen one who finds out they know Force-fu when they pick up a lightsaber that one of the evil jedi mooks conveniently drop in the first part of the movie. Well, the main character couldn't just be anyone. Being some random schmuck would be a tad boring. They would have to have some "cool" aspect to them. Being a Boba Fett-like bounty hunter would probably be cliche, but there should be some way to fill that coolness criterion.
Also, this movie needs to have several cool moments. I'm talking about those scenes where you walk out of the theater with a grin from ear to ear and you're telling your friends, "Oh man, you know that part where the guy at the place did the thing? That was AWESOME."
And jetpacks are awesome, so there should at least be one in the film. It would be too convenient to have it all the time, but perhaps they find a jump pack somewhere, used it once to get away from some sticky situation, after which it breaks. Or maybe, one of the Elite Mooks has a jetpack, and when the protagonist kills them, they are trying to escape from something worse, maybe a rancor or something about to explode, so they just hug the corpse and press the "GTFO" button, flying away towards the Big Damn Fire Exit, and being forced to let go of them as they escape.
edited 23rd Nov '12 10:03:43 PM by nman
The sequel would deal with the new "republic"'s attempts to deal with the rapidly advancing aliens, whether or not a peaceful end to the war can be reached or if they are just monsters that the Emperor was right to wipe out. Whether they will get citizenship, should be treated like cattle or get a nature reserve. There would be loads of slanderous propaganda pushed by the private sector as well as the church, lying about the alien's ability for truly constructive thought and their lack of souls. There would be legit scientist arguing that the aliens contain everything a human body need to survive and that domesticating them could end galactic hunger. Then there would be families of dead soldiers calling for an end to violence and hippies insisting that stomach launching alien are people too, man.
It would end with the aliens defeating the republic's inferior world war 2 in space armies with their superior technology, storming the senate and forcing them to sign a bill called that Mawgna Cartawon declaring them a free state with voting rights and appoints them starting representatives until the end of the current term.
edited 24th Nov '12 10:22:30 AM by IndirectActiveTransport
So, Mandalorians, then?
Of course, don't you know anything about ALCHEMY?!- Twin clones of Ivan the Great
How about a movie that deals with mystical stuff mixing with scientific stuff? That's what made the first trilogy so good.
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