Kinda wish Thrawn would be in the film.
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I could see someone LIKE Thrawn, but I wouldn't want the character himself. I never really got behind the 'he's human but BLUEEEE' thing he had goin' on.
I don't think I have read any of the Thrawn books so I have no attachment one way or another. My involvement with the EU was mainly with the Alan Dean Foster books way back when.
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Thrawn was okay, but he was a little too Sueish for my tastes. Sometimes he drew correct conclusions based on minor or even nonexistent clues, and we didn't get enough time inside his mind (Read: none) to see how it really ticked.
ETA: A movie would be even less likely to give us that insight.
edited 21st Aug '14 6:53:48 PM by Journeyman
Would that it were so simple.
Thrawn was okay in the trilogy that introduced him, before Zahn started shilling him in Outbound Flight, Hand Of Thrawn and Allegiance. He was a breath of fresh air, since Imperials were either cowardly lickspittles or Stupid Evil. Having one that was intelligent was a good change. The authors went too far, making them the only intelligent characters, and turning the post-ROTJ books into author tracts in favor of fascist governments.
edited 21st Aug '14 8:44:44 PM by CrimsonZephyr
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
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How the hell does that happen from a trilogy of movies so rooted in post-'Nam distrust of the government that the last movie had the Vietcong as the good guys? Was the Reagan/Bush administrations that appealing to sci-fi writers?
Of course, don't you know anything about ALCHEMY?!- Twin clones of Ivan the Great
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
Really, it was the legacy-era stuff that glorified fascism (that is, everything after New Jedi Order). Most of the Bantam Books Run (so truce at bakura to hand of thrawn) had the Empire still as evil, whether stupid evil or competently evil, they were never portrayed as being "better"
To add, part of it, i think, is that the idea of a galactic republic is a little boring. It's like a giant space UN where everyone cooperates. The idea of a galactic empire, of rule by fiat, is much more intriguing. That's why they're always building new Sith empires and, in post Original Trilogy works, new derivatives of Palpatine's empire. The concept is more appealing to us because democracy is the order of the day for reality, and reality is boring.
edited 21st Aug '14 9:48:40 PM by Ogodei
I think it's more because the OT was vague enough for people to interpret the Empire as representing a villain of their own choice; mostly as a bunch of commie nazis who bid each other dark greetings. Once the prequels came out, showing that the Republic became the Empire, by popular vote no less, and wasn't particularly good and noble itself, the overall anti-government themes shined through... to be promptly discarded by those fans and EU writers who don't really rock the post-Nam (or post-9/11) government distrust mindset in the first place. It didn't help that the actual turn of events wasn't particularly well handled, so that the moral stances started to blur.
The Legacy era, for that matter, is straight-forward space fantasy, with the Fel Empire functioning as a somewhat grittier kingdom. I wouldn't call it fascist per se, but rather fascism itself banked on the same themes of romanticized strong leadership and military might that are endemic to space opera and high fantasy alike - and indeed, exactly what the OT pleaded against. On deaf ears, it would seem.
edited 22nd Aug '14 3:16:58 AM by indiana404
Would that it were so simple.
Militant romanticism is at the core of fascism. To be honest, I blame the post-ROTJ's right wing slant on Karen Traviss and Troy Denning. They hate the ideal of civilian government; if you're not a soldier, or support the military uncritically, you're scum to them. It's a shame David Brin never read the EU; he'd find so much right-wing dreck in Legacy it'd stop being funny.
edited 22nd Aug '14 10:51:52 PM by CrimsonZephyr
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
I recall Brin taking more offence with the idea of government being enforced by elitist genetically superior ubermenschen (that is, the other core of fascism), and the emotionally-stunted faux-wisdom mysticism of the Force. If anything, I reckon Timothy Zahn's idea that Force-users could be rendered utterly powerless by a space lizard would greatly amuse him.
Speaking of which, it'd be nice to have a few non-powered heroes and villains for VII. I agree with RLM's sentiment that the prequels lacked a more low-key Han Solo type character to counterbalance all the high-flying politics and mystical affairs. Even the Clone Wars revolved around two armies literally bred to fight one another, no further motive needed, while the only people truly acting on their own accord were the pirates and bounty hunters - unsurprisingly the scene-stealers of the show.
edited 23rd Aug '14 7:09:27 AM by indiana404
I hope isn't too much of a General type figure in Episode 7. I'd like to see some traits of the scoundrel that he was in the Original Trilogy.
At the very least, he'll be an Deadpan Snarker, courtesy of Harrison Ford.
Sorry for the double post, but Harrison Ford has recovered from his injury and shooting has resumed! Yay!
Once again, take with a grain of salt, though the bit about a Stormtrooper as one of the leads does jive with the previous rumors about John Boyega's character.
I don't really care for some of those rumors partly because it makes it sound like Luke will become evil. Can we please not do that? It ruins the ending of 6.
The Permanently Confused
Those look like a lot of the same rumors that turned out to match some currently-running Star Wars comics. I'm skeptical.
It's the Latino Reveiew. They're not even worth listening to.
This part made me chuckle.
"The Empire still exists in the form of a number of loyal galaxies and are in a state of cold war with the Republic."
Uhhh. There's only one galaxy in Star Wars, which is "the galaxy, far, far away."
They probably mean star systems.
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
That would be dumb in several respects
A) Yes, i know EU is no longer canon, but there's no point in tearing up ancient sith history for this film, unless their historical origin is so super-critical to the story they want to tell.
B) Luke's not going to go bad, period. The core essence of his character is about resistance of temptation, no reason to dial that back for cheap appeal.
C) What "older student of the Emperor?" Dooku *was* the older student, and it's kind of hard to be a menacing villain if you have no head.
Still just awesome like that
I dunno, the Headless Horseman seemed menacing enough.
Insert witty 'n clever quip here.
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
Overlording the Underworld
I could see Palpatine putting Dooku on ice and doing experiments on him. But I couldn't see something like that escaping the EU or Lucas for this long, sorry. 
Sometimes, when I feel slightly more depressed than usual, I think about the possibility of half the cast dying in the middle of making the movie.
I mean... IT COULD HAPPEN!
Please don't think about terrible things like that.
I should clarify — I'm happy that this revelation makes it less likely the rumors are true, because quite frankly the rumored storyline sucked.