The Amazing Spider-Man 2

I never really felt Peter being some outcast loser was necessary to every adaptation. If I as a reader/viewer can empathize with him without it, I don't think they have to do it.

Really for this they seemed to go more for him being the average guy dealing with problems in his life and then thrust into this new world when he gained superpowers. His initial use of his powers isn't really to gain fame or feel great about himself; even his scene with Flash with the basketball while somewhat derived from getting some payback is brought about because the latter was acting like a jerk.

nope ASM Peter was a smart and charismatic teen with a combination of moods,facets and dreams that cannot be summed up as "nerdy".

Sam Raimi's Peter was a one-dimensional loser whose only characteristic was being a nerd.

ASM Peter was what was more important he was human.

edited 2nd Oct '12 1:26:11 PM by SaintDeltora

"Please crush me with your heels Esdeath-sama!

exactly.

"Please crush me with your heels Esdeath-sama!

Nerds aren't human?

No, but I did feel that Peter as written in Raimi's trilogy felt a bit boxed in as just a nerd.

*shrug* I never felt the Raimi movies were very good, and I never got invested in the characters. However, if forced to pick between a two-dimensional nerd and a skater/mysterious aloof hunk/troubled teenager/science fan/snarky, heroic counter-bully/awkward, anti-social bully-prey/photographer/slacker, I think I'll go with the one where he feels consistently like a single character instead of switching characterisations every scene.

When I told my friends that Peter skateboards in the movie, they all declared it garbage with no further knowledge of it. I'm kinda sad I hold myself to a higher standard of cinematic taste, because I really want to be able to get out of any discussion about this movie by saying: "Peter Parker skateboards. Movie sucks. 'nuff said."

they are,however real nerds are not just nerds they also have objectives,dreams and sides they do not reveal to anyone. i did not felt that in Sam Raimi`s Peter.

and i felt those were all Facets of the same person. and they went pretty well together.

also your friends are idiots and you really should not do that.

edited 2nd Oct '12 2:26:29 PM by SaintDeltora

"Please crush me with your heels Esdeath-sama!

Again, not seeing the big deal. Would be like dismissing a Wolverine story/film because he's seen drinking wine because Logan only drinks harder liquors and him having anything else is a complete and under betrayal of his inner character and clearly casts a shameful specter over the entire movie.

edited 2nd Oct '12 2:27:00 PM by BorneAgain

There's a difference between a scene featuring Wolverine drinking something below 55 proof (I'm sure he drank lighter stuff in Japan) and showing Peter Parker looking like something out of a Mountain Dew commercial.

Of course, don't you know anything about ALCHEMY?!- Twin clones of Ivan the Great

If you can't get the little details right...

I missed the first film at the cinema so I'm waiting for the DVD. I'm pretty sure it captures a different side of Spider-Man than the Rami films did. I can tell from the trailers it's not completely true to the spirit of Spider-Man. My hunch is that it's less true to the comics than Rami's films*

but probably a better film overall than at least 1 and 3*

which is underated

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edited 2nd Oct '12 3:08:42 PM by C0mraid

Am I a good man or a bad man?

Actually, it'd be more like dismissing a Wolverine movie where Wolverine is a friend to all living things and never hurts anybody ever.

Pacifist is not Wolverine, and cool is not Peter Parker.

I guess in general I found it odd that many I've talked to (not necessarily this forum mind you) who shrug when I've brought up the lack of snark in the Raimi films are the same ones up in arms about Parker being on a skateboard and having haircut that looks too cool.

Because both of those are equal faults with the adaptation.

Of course, don't you know anything about ALCHEMY?!- Twin clones of Ivan the Great

Fair enough.

For ASM 2 I'd love to see Mysterio or Chameleon finally in live action. Also the Spot, though I recognize he'ls unlikely to pop any time soon.

Peter riding a skateboard and/or having an (arguably) cool haircut is only vaguely important to his character, and are only treated as somewhat incidental. Furthermore, nothing in the comics is reliant on such a thing, and in fact the comics themselves have been known to reinterpret characters while keeping what makes them themselves (it's only fans who blindly insist on everything remaining the same, which in the long run causes the quality of writing to suffer in my opinion). In terms of near everything related to the quality of the movie, those details are irrelevant.

In the movie it's clear that Peter's character was reinterpreted somewhat, but mainly in a way to adapt his social niche as a loser and an outcast in a new way. I mean seriously, people. There are better things to criticize the movie about than whether or not the main character is a stereotypical nerd.

At the very least, if you're going to be outspoken about the skateboard you should at least do so in terms of the general change in personality that the skateboard represented, having early Parker going from a timid wallflower before being bitten to having had some measure of self-confidence all along, but not having the social graces or strength of character to truly interact with the world.

This results in him learning the "with great power comes great responsibility" message in a slightly different way, and if you're going to debate about changes in characterization, you might as well talk about an actually present change in characterization rather than circumstantial stuff.

edited 2nd Oct '12 3:57:39 PM by KnownUnknown

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

The problem with Raimi Peter is that nerds are simply more socially acceptable now. The image of a bespectacled smart kid getting his head rammed into a locker by a hulking jock before having lunchroom mashed potatoes mashed into his screaming face is dated. That said, skateboarding being a demonstration of "cool" is also dated, and it shouldn't return, but I disagree that Raimi Pete was better.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."

Raimi Peter was too emotionally overdone.

Of course, don't you know anything about ALCHEMY?!- Twin clones of Ivan the Great

I disagree somewhat with that - the problem wasn't that Peter's life was too dramatic or emotional, it was that there wasn't much but the current battle with the supervillain (which inevitably turned dramatic or emotional) to balance it out.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

And that's what makes ASM Peter not cool in-universe!

No idea whatsoever if that's what the film-makers were going for but I like the idea

Perhaps, but it's a genre flick. You expect a level of angst. The cliche goes that superheroes always win, so to hit them hard you have to make 'em cry.

I can get behind a Peter who isn't socially inept. After all, socially inept people seldom do anything of worth. It's unlikely that Oscorp would sink billions of dollars worth of research/surveillance into a guy if he tripped over his shoelaces. So, while I like Raimi's Peter, he wouldn't work in this new equation. That's not to say either is 'better' than the other.

edited 2nd Oct '12 8:19:51 PM by johnnyfog

I'm a skeptical squirrel

I find it hilarious how so many people complain and think that they made Peter Parker seem "cool" and less socially inept. Peter Parker in ASM was probably the most socially awkward character I've seen in a movie in a long, long time. Literally having no friends, speaking only in stuttered mumbles, hangs out by himself at a construction site, has interests that no one else cares about, always on the internet, takes a picture of a random girl that he's only talked to for two seconds and puts it as his desktop background. Hell, all they had to do was make him a troper and he'd pretty much be the most socially awkward character in history.

edited 2nd Oct '12 8:01:22 PM by 0dd1

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In The '90s or early 2000's, a character skateboarding was code for "this is a cool guy". Now, though, a character skateboarding just means that character enjoys skateboarding, not much different from any other hobby. That fit with the movie's portrayal of Peter, not as some uber-dork, but just an average, kinda awkward guy, which I have no problem with. Peter's supposed to be The Everyman, after all, and it's nice that we can have an Everyman with a lot of This Loser Is You.

The problem to that explanation is that they did a whole montage with him skateboarding as his powers developed, and they shot and edited it like it was something out of RAD or Airborne. They were clearly aiming to make him cooler with that character trait.

edited 3rd Oct '12 1:39:02 AM by Kerrah