Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need crowner vote.
Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.
After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
Not clear why Ascended Fanboy merits NRLEP treatment. ![[tdown]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_down_emoticon_3571.png "[thumb down]"){kind=small}
Apparition in the Woods
I agree. While Ascended Fanboy is rarer than Promoted Fanboy as a real-life phenomenon, it is a distinctly different concept.
I'll hide your name inside a word and paint your eyes with false perception.
Lost in Space
I wonder how "person is a fan of X, later becomes X" is something that there is any point in talking about with respect to real life. We like to make a big deal of it in the news and in biopics, but it is one of those cases of media explicitly constructing a narrative on top of something that is a normal and, frankly, obvious part of life.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
What about Elemental Powers? If I understand the trope correctly, this is only talking about fantastic sorts of powers that can't exist in Real Life, yet it has a Real Life section.
I think the first example is worth keeping. The second one is a good analysis but nothing else (and nattery)
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I think the first one should go (as it's not supernatural powers, just analogues to the elements) and the second should be moved to analysis.
"In distress", my ass.
That entire section in Elemental Powers is Square Peg Round Trope at best, even the first example.
All your safe space are belong to Trump
"In distress", my ass.
Calling Ascended Fanboy - Added 2nd Feb '13 at 10:17:34 PM, 2.2:1 (16)
(Elemental Powers is short of making the 10 vote minimum, though it otherwise would qualify for calling.)
All your safe space are belong to Trump
"In distress", my ass.
And on another note, Strawman News Media was brought up in the "Type X" cleanup thread.
Several other Strawman Political tropes are already NRLEP, as Real Life people aren't written to be straw characters, and I don't see why organizations should be exempt from that (Corrupt Church, f'rex, is also NRLEP).
All your safe space are belong to Trump
They are exempt from that because there was no natter, edit warring or flame bait in that RL section. Let's not jump the gun on this.
And the examples are close enough to the spirit of the trope that I can confidently vote for keeping them, especially since they are the template for many of the fictional examples.
edited 6th Feb '13 5:40:57 AM by SeptimusHeap
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Disasturbator
Blueand Orange Morality has a real life section,should it?
New theme music also a box
Petting Zoo Person
I dare say it shouldn't. No way a human can have a moral code so different from the standard Black and White or Gray and Gray moralities that it would be truly incomprehensible; different in where it draws the lines or what it sets as taboo, but not completely alien.
I must be cruel, but to be kind That bad may begin, and worse be left behind
No way you can cut a Real Life section when it isn't what you think it is.
Blue-and-Orange Morality isn't just about humans.
I'll also restate my opposition to cutting Strawman News Media's RL section and I ask whether we can use Pros and Cons in this crowner.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
No, the other one.
Well, only listing one side makes it a leading crowner.
edited 7th Feb '13 2:13:10 AM by AnotherDuck
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"In distress", my ass.
So far, it doesn't look like it's going to clear the lower vote ratio boundary anyway.
On the other hand, Elemental Powers has now cleared the hurdles, with a 5.5:1 (11/2), so calling that.
All your safe space are belong to Trump
Reymmã
I thought Blue-and-Orange Morality had been declared NRLEP some time ago, noting that it strictly applies to intelligent non-humans.
A blog that gets updated on a geological timescale.
Lost in Space
Yes. On page 20 and 21. Of this thread.
And the examples aren't just about humans.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Actually, Blue-and-Orange Morality was voted on previously and it didn't get consensus to make it NRLEP (see Keep Real Life Examples). I don't feel it should be put up for a vote again unless something has changed significantly about the Real Life section, which doesn't appear to be the case.
edited 7th Feb '13 7:37:47 AM by Nocturna
Was Create Your Own Villain mentioned yet?
The standard issue: Calling RL people/groups villains.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
A request to add an example of Awesome Moment of Crowning to Barack Obama was declined, so now I've added it to the crowner.
edited 8th Feb '13 8:05:08 AM by Lophotrochozoa
The post below the linked one explains the rejection well, in my opinion.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
No, the other one.
Isn't Awesome Moment of Crowning supposed to be about kings and queens? You know, actual crownings? I think several of the Real Life example are misuse. I mean, an Academy Award?
Also, according to the examples, "Real life has no protagonists" is meaningless, since there are several non-protagonists there, such as a few villains.
I say we clean out the misuse first, then see if it's still troublesome, since it's more about Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgment than anything else, like insulting people or calling them villains.
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Lost in Space
I don't agree with NRLEP on Awesome Moment of Crowning. Certainly, modern heads of state are indeed given lots of pomp when elevated to those positions.
It could possibly use a cleanup, as the request for addition that I saw was along the lines of "X got elected, which was awesome". That's a total misuse.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Crown Description:
Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.
(We could limit the RL section to "Fans of a science-fiction genre with technology that was impossible in their childhoods that later worked on making it possible", to avoid having simply "this person wanted to be X as a child and later became one".)
A blog that gets updated on a geological timescale.