Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
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- Impossible in Real Life
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If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
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- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by Mrph1 on May 13th 2024 at 9:30:24 AM
And that's not even getting into using "psychopath" as a synonym for evil, since that's already the common usage...
Also, those examples are just terrible. Personal attacks ahoy.
edited 13th Oct '12 7:32:13 PM by ArcadesSabboth
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
Honestly, the real life section is actually one of the better-written ones on the page. I don't think I've seen this much shoehorning, natter, and general messiness since the Complete Monster cleanup began.
Not that that means the section is remotely acceptable, of course. Cut it with extreme prejudice.
edited 13th Oct '12 7:50:36 PM by nrjxll
"In distress", my ass.
The other psychopath tropes probably also should be listed, and the addition to the NRLEP page be formatted along the lines of the "Evil" tropes. (I'm about to run off to work, or I'd add them to the crowner myself.)
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Orcus on His Throne has a real life section. Bonus Points for the entry about the Roman emperor Tiberius, which doesn't say why he was an example but only that he was evil.
edited 14th Oct '12 11:47:29 AM by Lophotrochozoa
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Calling RL people evil. Again. Yay.
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Yeah, that's a bad one.
Also, bringing it up here in case this is a simple question — does that trope require only that the Big Bad physically not get up, or does it require the Big Bad to never send their armies to attack, either? Because if it's the latter, there's been some misuse...
edited 14th Oct '12 1:40:14 PM by ArcadesSabboth
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It seems like Orcus on His Throne is basically 'this villain's dangerousness is an Informed Ability'.
The voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground
No, the other one.
I almost want to kill those examples with fire just for being bad examples, Real Life Unfortunate Implications aside...
I also almost want to move the Tiberius example to Magnificent Bastard just because it fits so much better there, but that's one of them pages some people who shall remained unnamed have declared unfit for Real Life examples. Who does those despicable things, restricting the fun for us tropers?
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I consider most of history before the last few hundred years to be Broad Strokes anyway.
edited 14th Oct '12 9:00:55 PM by AnotherDuck
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For what it's worth, literally every serious modern Roman historian I've seen would agree that it's pretty much entirely fictional anyway.
Evilutionary Biologist sounds like a standard case of "we don't want to call real people evil".
which uh i already said in the crowner option description thinger but i felt it necessary to make a post anyway just to be clear?
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Calling Psychopathic Manchild (17:0 yeas:nays, added October 13th) and Orcus on His Throne (14:0 yeas:nays, added October 14th).
edited 20th Oct '12 9:47:28 AM by desdendelle
The voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground
Wow, the Real Life section on Evilutionary Biologist is a mix of insane natter (the one about Nazi doctors), "contested" examples (so someone was fine with calling a living person "evil" on insufficient evidence?), and non-examples that admit that they're non-examples. Even if the trope itself weren't NRLEP-bait, I see little of value there.
edited 20th Oct '12 10:37:25 AM by DoktorvonEurotrash
They are done.
After Weirdness Magnet and Evilutionary Biologist are decided, please let's not add any more until I can get the crowner switched (I have a new one prepared already).
edited 20th Oct '12 11:25:26 AM by ArcadesSabboth
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
"In distress", my ass.
Calling:
- Evilutionary Biologist - Added 20th Oct '12 at 08:36:31 AM, 9.5:1
- Weirdness Magnet - Added 20th Oct '12 at 10:57:50 AM, 13:1
Also, it looks like someone added Dark Is Not Evil after was posted, and so far it's not made it to 10 total votes. Should we just move it to the next crowner and call it a day with this one?
(And when the next crowner is added, I'll be adding Jerk with a Heart of Gold. Calling people jerks isn't much better than calling them evil, and we already have Jerkass listed as NRLEP.)
edited 23rd Oct '12 12:35:30 AM by Nohbody
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It's been up 48+ hours anyway. Can't we just call Dark Is Not Evil?
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
"In distress", my ass.
Now we can, but at the time of my post it had only 8 votes total (6:2 IIRC).
To make it official:
Dark Is Not Evil - Added 20th Oct '12 at 04:08:49 PM, 5.5:1
Added NRL tag on main page, submitted DarkIsNotEvil.Real Life for cutlisting.
edited 23rd Oct '12 11:32:07 AM by Nohbody
All your safe space are belong to Trump
Now wait a minute, the real life Darkis Not Evil page has some good examples in it.
We don't make judgments on the morality of real life people.
Considering this is a positive trope, I don't see how that's a problem. And we do have some vague ones not directed at specific people.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/crowner.php/PageAction/RealLifeSectionMaintenance4
That's the link to the new crowner. Hopefully this time the mods will respond to my holler before 13 more things get added.
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Dark Is Not Evil is not calling anyone evil or good. It's actually a neutral trope. And I don't think there's anything wrong with calling people dark. Many people revel in looking dark. I think it was a mistake to cut the examples, even though I'm not a fan of RL examples in general.
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New Crowner attached per holler.
"In distress", my ass.
Jerk with a Heart of Gold added, as I mentioned previously.
All your safe space are belong to Trump
Strange Girl has a real life section consisting of only Zero Context Examples.
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The voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground...
Yeah, we really don't need this. Calling RL people psychos is just as bad as calling RL people evil, IMO.