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Real Life section maintenance (NEW CROWNER 8/17/14):

This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.

Common problems include:

Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. If it's really bad, the entire section may have to be removed. But hey, if someone feels like cleaning it up, it might be saved.

If you think an article should be filed under No Real Life Examples, Please!, then this thread is the place to discuss it. State the reasons and add it to the crowner.

edited 23rd Apr '12 4:18:09 AM by lu127

 776 desdendelle, Sat, 13th Oct '12 4:03:01 PM from /dev/null Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
Canta nastar alta tera
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Yeah, we really don't need this. Calling RL people psychos is just as bad as calling RL people evil, IMO.
[17:27:48] Plummet: Stop being British damn you.
And that's not even getting into using "psychopath" as a synonym for evil, since that's already the common usage...

Also, those examples are just terrible. Personal attacks ahoy.

edited 13th Oct '12 7:32:13 PM by ArcadesSabboth

Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
 778 nrjxll, Sat, 13th Oct '12 7:50:11 PM Relationship Status: Not war
Honestly, the real life section is actually one of the better-written ones on the page. I don't think I've seen this much shoehorning, natter, and general messiness since the Complete Monster cleanup began.

Not that that means the section is remotely acceptable, of course. Cut it with extreme prejudice.

edited 13th Oct '12 7:50:36 PM by nrjxll

 779 Nohbody, Sat, 13th Oct '12 8:45:41 PM from Somewhere in Dixie Relationship Status: Mu
Just zis guy
The other psychopath tropes probably also should be listed, and the addition to the NRLEP page be formatted along the lines of the "Evil" tropes. (I'm about to run off to work, or I'd add them to the crowner myself.)
Orcus on His Throne has a real life section. Bonus Points for the entry about the Roman emperor Tiberius, which doesn't say why he was an example but only that he was evil.

edited 14th Oct '12 11:47:29 AM by Lophotrochozoa

 781 desdendelle, Sun, 14th Oct '12 1:15:40 PM from /dev/null Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
Canta nastar alta tera
Calling RL people evil. Again. Yay.
[17:27:48] Plummet: Stop being British damn you.
Yeah, that's a bad one.

Also, bringing it up here in case this is a simple question — does that trope require only that the Big Bad physically not get up, or does it require the Big Bad to never send their armies to attack, either? Because if it's the latter, there's been some misuse...

edited 14th Oct '12 1:40:14 PM by ArcadesSabboth

Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
 783 desdendelle, Sun, 14th Oct '12 1:34:40 PM from /dev/null Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
Canta nastar alta tera
It seems like Orcus on His Throne is basically 'this villain's dangerousness is an Informed Ability'.
[17:27:48] Plummet: Stop being British damn you.
 784 Another Duck, Sun, 14th Oct '12 7:41:24 PM from Stockholm Relationship Status: Chocolate!
No, the other one.
I almost want to kill those examples with fire just for being bad examples, Real Life Unfortunate Implications aside...

I also almost want to move the Tiberius example to Magnificent Bastard just because it fits so much better there, but that's one of them pages some people who shall remained unnamed have declared unfit for Real Life examples. Who does those despicable things, restricting the fun for us tropers?

[down]I consider most of history before the last few hundred years to be Broad Strokes anyway.

edited 14th Oct '12 9:00:55 PM by AnotherDuck

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 785 nrjxll, Sun, 14th Oct '12 7:59:38 PM Relationship Status: Not war
[up]For what it's worth, literally every serious modern Roman historian I've seen would agree that it's pretty much entirely fictional anyway.

Cosine!
Evilutionary Biologist sounds like a standard case of "we don't want to call real people evil".

which uh i already said in the crowner option description thinger but i felt it necessary to make a post anyway just to be clear?
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 787 desdendelle, Sat, 20th Oct '12 9:47:19 AM from /dev/null Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
Canta nastar alta tera
Calling Psychopathic Manchild (17:0 yeas:nays, added October 13th) and Orcus on His Throne (14:0 yeas:nays, added October 14th).

edited 20th Oct '12 9:47:28 AM by desdendelle

[17:27:48] Plummet: Stop being British damn you.
Ecce Homo Superior
[up][up]Wow, the Real Life section on Evilutionary Biologist is a mix of insane natter (the one about Nazi doctors), "contested" examples (so someone was fine with calling a living person "evil" on insufficient evidence?), and non-examples that admit that they're non-examples. Even if the trope itself weren't NRLEP-bait, I see little of value there.

edited 20th Oct '12 10:37:25 AM by DoktorvonEurotrash

(it's David Bowie)
[up][up]They are done.

After Weirdness Magnet and Evilutionary Biologist are decided, please let's not add any more until I can get the crowner switched (I have a new one prepared already).

edited 20th Oct '12 11:25:26 AM by ArcadesSabboth

Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
 790 Nohbody, Tue, 23rd Oct '12 12:34:51 AM from Somewhere in Dixie Relationship Status: Mu
Just zis guy
Calling:

Also, it looks like someone added Dark Is Not Evil after [up] was posted, and so far it's not made it to 10 total votes. Should we just move it to the next crowner and call it a day with this one?

(And when the next crowner is added, I'll be adding Jerk with a Heart of Gold. Calling people jerks isn't much better than calling them evil, and we already have Jerk Ass listed as NRLEP.)

edited 23rd Oct '12 12:35:30 AM by Nohbody

It's been up 48+ hours anyway. Can't we just call Dark Is Not Evil?
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
 792 Nohbody, Tue, 23rd Oct '12 11:25:09 AM from Somewhere in Dixie Relationship Status: Mu
Just zis guy
Now we can, but at the time of my post it had only 8 votes total (6:2 IIRC).

To make it official:

Dark Is Not Evil - Added 20th Oct '12 at 04:08:49 PM, 5.5:1

Added NRL tag on main page, submitted DarkIsNotEvil.Real Life for cutlisting.

edited 23rd Oct '12 11:32:07 AM by Nohbody

 793 shoboni, Tue, 23rd Oct '12 5:44:17 PM from Iowa, USA
Now wait a minute, the real life Darkis Not Evil page has some good examples in it.
"It's not that simple. We are all both, good and evil, we have rage and compassion, we have love and hate...murder and forgiveness."
Seeking for Light
[up] We don't make judgments on the morality of real life people.

 795 shoboni, Tue, 23rd Oct '12 6:38:40 PM from Iowa, USA
Considering this is a positive trope, I don't see how that's a problem. And we do have some vague ones not directed at specific people.
"It's not that simple. We are all both, good and evil, we have rage and compassion, we have love and hate...murder and forgiveness."
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/crowner.php/PageAction/RealLifeSectionMaintenance4

That's the link to the new crowner. Hopefully this time the mods will respond to my holler before 13 more things get added.
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
World's Toughest Milkman
Dark Is Not Evil is not calling anyone evil or good. It's actually a neutral trope. And I don't think there's anything wrong with calling people dark. Many people revel in looking dark. I think it was a mistake to cut the examples, even though I'm not a fan of RL examples in general.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
 798 blackcat, Wed, 24th Oct '12 5:53:27 AM Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
New Crowner attached per holler.
Love extends the boundaries of what people can accept, but don't depend on it.
 799 Nohbody, Wed, 24th Oct '12 6:48:59 AM from Somewhere in Dixie Relationship Status: Mu
Strange Girl has a real life section consisting of only Zero Context Examples.

Page Action: Real Life Section Maintenance 19
17th Aug '14 8:04:48 AM
What would be the best way to fix the page?
At issue:
These are pages that have been proposed to have their Real Life sections cut and tagged to not be recreated.

Vote UP to indicate you think the Page should have NO Real Life examples.

Vote DOWN to allow Real Life examples.

Items that have been stricken (like so) have already been decided, with ten or more total votes, more than 48 hours on the crowner, and at least a 2:1 yes/no ratio. No further voting is needed on those items.

To check if something has already been voted on, please see Keep Real Life Examples.
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