Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need crowner vote.
Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.
After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
Education Mama and Girl Scouts Are Evil have already passed the 48-hour mark and are beyond the 2:1 ratio.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, but all play and no work makes Jack a mere boy
"In distress", my ass.
Items coming up over the weekend are usually addressed on Monday morning, for those who are away from the forums over the weekend.
All your safe space are belong to Trump
Sorcerer in training
Cleaned out Artistic License – Pharmacology RL except for the one with the article linked and referenced this thread.
Artistic License - Astronomy -lord love little green ducks. That's a folderization problem!
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
"In distress", my ass.
On the subject of those over-weekend crowner votes...
Calling Education Mama to make it NRLEP. Added 17th Mar '17 at 03:30 PM, 12:1 (13)
Girl Scouts Are Evil was well clear of the 2:1 vote ratio, but with the weekenders chiming in it's now at 1.86:1 (20). Will wait another day to make sure it's stable before calling. Added 15th Mar '17 at 07:30 PM.
All your safe space are belong to Trump
Zzzzzzzzzz
I recall helping build that with Fast Eddie when we first went to the Artistic License thing from ...Is crying and You fail X pages. We never did get it hashed out to be effective... We were trying to come up with a way to sort them on the page that would prevent "just bitching" entries and also serve as a sieve for new subtropes.
edited 20th Mar '17 11:32:52 AM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
I don't think you'll ever get the pages free from complaining. You can reduce it but not kill it.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Seconded. To whine is to human, but to really bitch, it takes a computer (the internet, to be exact).
Blapper of Water
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
So true, haha.
Would folders in the form of the following help here: note
- Examples
- Examples
Sorcerer in training
Ah, sorry Maddy. (/embarrassed)
I spotted a couple general examples earlier, but had to run to my eye appointment and didn't have time to edit. I think those should be pulled first, if possible.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Thank you, I'll be here all week ![[lol]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lol2v12_4863.png "[lol]"){kind=small}
Zzzzzzzzzz
nonononono, ~Candi! There is absolutely nothing to be embarrassed or apologize for. I hadn't looked at the page in ages, and ...I'm not gonna defend it. That's kludgey as all hell. We thought we had an idea that might work, but. Yeah, no. The concept may be sound, but that execution? No.
The general idea was to first sieve out all the subtropes we already had pages to, then by sorting the examples by what the license was, we could spot new subtropes by the number of examples they had, launch a page for that trope and move the examples off the main AL page, and so on. But we both got busy or distracted or whatever and we didn't keep working on it.
Maybe copy it over to a sandbox and anyone who wants to can bash on it and see if it can be beaten into something resembling sense, or if we just need to dump the idea and go back to the drawing board?
Blap, that certainly looks cleaner, at least.
edited 20th Mar '17 1:25:56 PM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Sorcerer in training
Okay, Maddy.
I'm trying to be careful these days, because not only did we have to put our senior cat down, but my son's best friend committed suicide on Sunday (and he was told by text), so I want to make sure I'm not dumping on the wiki or anyone else.
Anyway:
After pulling the general examples and cleaning up some of the justifying edits, natter, example indentation, and conversation... there don't seem to be any real life examples. Stars with pointed spikes has no examples, but has indentation problems. But that's elsewhere.
So:
Artistic License – Animal Care -no real life section. (Needs some indentation cleanup.)
...there's an "In General" folder. Nuke?
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Blapper of Water
Not that you or I know each other, but I don't think you're dumping on anybody here.
I did make Sandbox.Artistic License Astronomy because there are a bunch of problems with it. If we don't think it's really necessary at this point, we can just cutlist it (oops).
Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
Like reflections in the glass!
I think the idea of splitting into subtropes might work, and should be done on the folders with a minimum example limit. And ask permission to start such a clean-up effort (at least on a different projects thread)?
edited 20th Mar '17 2:25:20 PM by MorningStar1337
Why is Famous for Being Famous under the flamebait folder? It has already had the NRLEP disclaimer since launch and never had real life examples.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, but all play and no work makes Jack a mere boy
Blapper of Water
Sounds more like a complaint magnet, but that shares a folder with flame bait. The trope necessarily implies that the person hasn't done anything to earn their (present) fame, so is — in a way — complaining that the person is famous.
That said, it doesn't look like it went through the crowner?
edited 20th Mar '17 6:22:19 PM by WaterBlap
Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
Sorcerer in training
Thanks Waterblap. 
A trope can be launched NRLEP from TLP without going through the crowned. That's been a thing at least since I started participating here.
If it is launched NRLEP, then it generally would only be seen here if someone wanted to argue it should have RL examples. And I think that happened maybe once(?) and didn't go anywhere. (If I remember right, it was a trope that would just have been asking for trouble with RL examples.)
Edit: DYAC!
edited 20th Mar '17 8:14:07 PM by Candi
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
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Actually, I'm not sure Famous for Being Famous SHOULD be NRLEP.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Sorcerer in training
I'd worry about gossip and speculation myself. Paris Hilton examples, for instance.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Zzzzzzzzzz
If you go to the discussion page for Famous for Being Famous, and go to the archived YKTTW linked there, you'll see that ~Candi is right on point; it was launched NRLEP, specifically because of concerns that it would be used for "complaining about celebrities you don't like", and troping Real People. This was supported by a question in ATT prior to launch as well
Yeah, not to mention connections to other NRLEP tropes by virtue of said complaining (Attention Whore springs to mind).
Jealous Parent and Gratuitous Nazis already had their NRLEP disclaimer since their launches, but were still run through the crowner.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, but all play and no work makes Jack a mere boy
"In distress", my ass.
Aaaaand Girl Scouts Are Evil is now back to exactly 2:1, with 21 votes. Another 24 hours seems in order before making the decision, as 1.86->2 is not "stable". Added 15th Mar '17 at 07:30 PM
All your safe space are belong to Trump
Sorcerer in training
Artistic License – Cars -removed In General folder.
Artistic License – Engineering -no RL, Other, or Misc folders.
Artistic License – Physics -Part standard folders, and part the 'gathering tropes for potential tropes' folder types. No RL folders, though.
(All three could use other cleanup.)
Artistic License – Nuclear Physics -Other folder with one example, discussing a RL event. Keep, edit, cut?
edited 21st Mar '17 9:28:34 PM by Candi
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Crown Description:
Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.
Removed the meta folder.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, but all play and no work makes Jack a mere boy