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Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
If anywhere else, where would the remaining examples belong?
Most of them? Somewhere not here. They're not tropes, or even slightly related to media. They're just random oddball trivia.
The counter point, Aluminum Christmas Trees, has several items that should be moved out of RL and into the appropriate media categories, and several others that just don't belong. Again, it's a trope about the contrast of fiction and reality, so you can't have RL examples.
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The examples in the RL folder from Aluminum Christmas Trees seem fine, but the folder itself should be called something else, something in the Other/General/Multiple Media family.
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The humanitarian one attracts flamebait? Not that I'd've voted for keeping it, but flamebait? ![[tdown]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_down_emoticon_3571.png "[thumb down]"){kind=small}
Costume. The Charlie Chaplin example's a perfect example for real life.
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ACW, what is the thumb down for? It looks like the Costume trope, which is NOT under discussion here.
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Some of the tropes brought up here need their RL sections cleaned, not removed, hence the 'maintenance' in the thread name. (I know I've brought up a couple myself in the past.) A trope being brought up here doesn't automatically mean a NRLEP vote. Sometimes a trope's just brought up to get more help/opinions on cleaning options, like with the costume one.
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Sorry; I could've SWORN I saw it mentioned.
It was mentioned, as somewhere misused RL examples were moved TO. Please read more carefully in the future.
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Meanwhile, I'm still vaguely bemused that cannibalism could attraxt flamebait 
And I'm bemused that you want to discuss it AFTER the voting is closed. Again. Stop it, seriously.
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Remember, folks, the topic is about maintaining RL sections, not general commentary on already cut ones.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Anyway since it seems like Real Life is up.
I am going to say that it really seems like the RL examples belong in other places instead of here. Something like a behind the scenes Trivia trope for the works or historical figures involved in it.
No, the other one.
Feel free it move them if you see them actually fitting somewhere else, since by the looks of it, they're going to disappear soon.
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DEFINITELY ![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
for RIU (if they DO exist they probably belong under the aluminum trees anyway).
Personally, I think Aluminum Christmas Trees needs to BE NRLEP. Some of the examples there can be moved, as they're not even RL examples, but the point of this pair of tropes is the contrast of reality and fiction, so RL examples re impossible.
edited 30th Oct '14 10:21:10 AM by Terrie
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I'm not sure about that (though I agree that some could be moved).
Eh, no. The trope is about people's perceptions of reality. Not about the fiction/Real Life divide per se.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
"Something that existed, that may or may not still exist, that when it is mentioned, people think it is something that is exaggerated, an urban legend, or never really existed."
Fiction may be the wrong word, but the point is that thing must be mentioned in some form of media before people can think it does not actually exist. I mean, I suppose you could have actual examples of real people proclaiming that a thing does not exist when it does, but 1) That leads to Troper Tales and 2) not a single example listed is that. Another possible legit use would be things dismissed as a hoax that turned out to be real, but again, not one example of that is listed. It's all "Here's odd things that actually exist!"
ETA: Okay, I stand corrected. The platypus example is probably legit as an RL example. Given the massive amount of misuse, I still think it's a huge problem section.
edited 30th Oct '14 10:37:53 AM by Terrie
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That only speaks about the validity of current examples. Not seeing the Troper Tales issue, either.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Septimus, that should be "could lead to. Sorry. Basically, the concern there would be that it would make it very hard to set a standard for "A real person said this was fake, but it's real" without opening the door to lots of personal experience stories.
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There are plenty of tropes that could invite personal examples. Until they do get them, though, I am not seeing a reason for a preemptive fix.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Aluminium Christmas Trees is an Audience Reaction for when audiences assume a specific element in a work of fiction is fictitious when it actually does exist in reality. It cannot logically have an Real Life section, because any examples should be sorted into the media category of the work they are referring to. The examples in the Real Life folder are either misplaced (if they speak about a certain work, they should go to folder for the work's medium), or tropers being smartasses. "Stuff that people might not know" is not Aluminium Christmas Trees. So a clear vote for NRLEP-ing from me.
In unrelated news: Nothing Is Scarier got the NRLEP marker, but the RL folders were not actually removed. Did that just now.
edited 30th Oct '14 11:31:54 AM by LordGro
Let's just say and leave it at that.
Fair enough. At this point, I'm willing to reduce the RL section to the platypus example (unless someone can point out others that actually fit that I missed), move the misfiled example and kill the random "Hey, look at this odd thing!" misuse.
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Sorry, just wanted to edit this into my post when I saw you had already replied. But the platypus entry is not a valid example in my view; it has nothing to do with fiction or media. If someone heard a story involving a platypus and assumed it was a mythical animal, then it would indeed be Aluminium Christmas Trees. The entry as it stands may be factually correct, but it's just not Aluminium Christmas Trees.
Let's just say and leave it at that.
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Added Reality Is Unrealistic, and removed the Your Costume Needs Work examples from the RIU/RL page. The rest I left alone, in spite of my Inner Troper twitching like an epileptic rabbit with the hiccups that just got tasered.
edited 29th Oct '14 6:25:29 AM by Nohbody
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