Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
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- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
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- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
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- There must be a 2:1 ratio
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As per Real Life Troping, we never trope unscripted real life sports — so sports tropes where RL examples would only apply to those scenarios don't need a crowner vote.
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by Mrph1 on May 13th 2024 at 9:30:24 AM
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Quoth the description:
edited 11th Oct '14 12:14:38 PM by desdendelle
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Theory of Narrative Causality: Narrative trope.
I feel like "the" Moon being portrayed strangely (particularly strangely-with-supernatural-overtones) is a very different trope from Alien Moons. I'd suggest YKTTWing the latter rather than expanding Weird Moon to cover it.
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We already have a TRS for Weird Moon: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1406534770052483400&page=1
It fizzled out due to the classic Lumper Vs Splitter debate.
edited 11th Oct '14 2:31:20 PM by ObsidianFire
No, the other one.
Theory of Narrative Causality most certainly shouldn't have Real Life examples. And none of the examples follow the guideline "Due to the omnipresence of this trope, please limit examples to in-universe references or Lampshade Hangings of the principle," which is explicitly mentioned on the page. I've axed the Real Life section because it didn't contain any legitimate examples.
Also took an axe to both weird celestial tropes, as per discussion.
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@Another Duck, re: In Media Res: If a real person's story (biography) is told via a book or ebook in the IMR style, it would probably go under Literature. If told in visual format, it would be Film, Live Action TV, Comics (graphic novel), Western Animation, etc. In any case, it may be about a RL person, but their story is told in a form that would not be placed in the RL category.
My problem with extrasolar suns/moons being listed in RL is our information about them is currently limited. We only know what we see from a distance, and it may not be entirely accurate.
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No, the other one.
Definitely. A reproduction of anything that actually happened is an interpretation of reality that may or may not be entirely truthful to what really happened, and they usually employ a lot of narrative tropes anyway through phrasing and structure, even if those tropes can't happen in real life. Even news stories do the same, but only for specific articles, and not the events themselves.
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Extrasolar suns flat out don't belong anyway, judging by the description of Weird Sun.
edited 11th Oct '14 9:41:00 PM by nrjxll
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@Candi: I think we have stuff for, at least, Phobos and Deimos.
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"In distress", my ass.
Calling Status Quo Is God: Added 10 Oct 14 at 03:50 AM, 17:0
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Do I understand correctly that, since Jeanne Darchetype is "a fictional character inspired by Joan of Arc", that all the real life examples on that page are wrong?
No, the other one.
I would agree that all Real Life examples there are wrong by definition.
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Yep, unless they deliberately set out to build a public perception of themself (or their handlers or historians did) based on the archetype.
edited 12th Oct '14 4:15:42 PM by Madrugada
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While trying to namespace The Führer, I've come across Drunk on the Dark Side. The real life section only has two examples - Hitler and Caligula, the rest are general examples. I think this one can be removed based on being a morality trope and calling real people evil, plus shoehorning anyone who has ever taken cocaine, been drunk, or genuinely hated someone or something as being "drunk on the dark side".
It's essentially "Evil Is Hammy" plus the villains are actually powerful enough to be a major threat.
edited 12th Oct '14 5:00:37 PM by TheOneWhoTropes
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"ex·tra·so·lar ˌekstrəˈsōlər/ adjective existing or occurring outside the solar system."
So Phobos and Deimos aren't, although I would have to re-read the Weird Moon trope to know whether they belong there or not. (It's been a while.)
Drunk on the Dark Side: Boot the RL examples and bury them deep.
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The description for Dewey Defeats Truman says "Real life has simply progressed beyond the fictional events, meaning that the work suddenly becomes inaccurate." Does that mean it's impossible in Real Life?
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"In distress", my ass.
Jeanne d'Archétype, Drunk on the Dark Side: both are NRLEP fodder, I think, and I'll be putting them on the crowner in a minute.
^ My first reaction was "No, not really", but on further thought I'm not so sure. Gonna punt on that, and abstain. 
As for Weird Moon/Sun, barring a drastic change in the voting patterns it doesn't look like either is going anywhere except the "keep RL examples" list, even after both have finished simmering for 48 hours.
edited 12th Oct '14 10:51:18 PM by Nohbody
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Crowner's getting unwieldy, I'm going to hold off on Dewey until this one is closed out
The child is father to the man —Oedipus
"In distress", my ass.
Didn't think to check the entry count on the crowner. Oh well.
Yeah, no more crowner entries, though of course discussing potential nominees for the next crowner is fine.
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And now, I've officially voted on all items on a single crowner for the first time. Just thought I'd get it off my chest. Has anyone else voted on every single item on any given NRLEP crowner as of writing?
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The thing with Dewey is that its Trope Namer is an extremely short-term real life example of this. We may need to determine whether mistaken headlines are something else entirely.
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I try to vote 'em all all the time. Of course, I also have to be in a state of mind where I can judge the issue. (Not-so-small children being irritating does not put one in such a state of mind.)
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No, the other one.
I always vote on the things I notice being put up on these crowners. After checking the actual trope and examples.
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I think other moons and suns and whatever would count. As long as they're strange, rather than merely different.
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