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- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
That's one viewpoint. It's not universally shared, though, because real life pages are so off-mission.
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How about this suggestion: I'll continue to sort and prune the politicians section, and once the dreck and cruft and crud of partisan politics is less overwhelming, we take a look and see how many of the examples are really examples?
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
No, the other one.
That's fine by me.
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Looks good to me.
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I've got the sort finished. I have not pruned anymore.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
I don't think it's bad enough that we need to get rid of it. That said, the politics folder could do with a "nothing less than 25 years old" rule to allow tempers to cool and nuances to seep into the public consciousness.
Maybe add to the rotating edit-window messages something like "if you can't write about political issues in a non-partisan manner, don't write about political issues." "Political issues" doesn't mean Real Life necessarily; I'd classify Mike v. Joel as a political issue. If not religious.
edited 8th Jul '14 7:16:47 AM by HersheleOstropoler
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Other words: remember to apply the Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgement at all times. Also mind the gap.
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That may solve it. It would mean that any entries are things that the person is really remembered for, not the current flash-in-the-pan meme about them. I really doubt that 25 years from now, what Obama will be remembered for is his middle name... Current outrage is not Never Live It Down.
The LBJ entry is the type of thing that we should be looking for, I think. I was alive during his Presidency, and I have to admit, I don't recall much about it or him. I do remember those photos, though.
Another possibility is to add the Laconic ("He did it just once, but now it's almost the only thing he's known for.") at the top of the page with a reminder that that's what the definition is.
edited 8th Jul '14 8:04:17 AM by Madrugada
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Sounds like a reasonable approach.
edited 8th Jul '14 9:11:05 AM by Catbert
Add that laconic, yes.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
No, the other one.
That's probably a good solution. If it gets worse later we can deal with it then. I might've suggested to not include living people, since those can still live it down.
edited 8th Jul '14 12:45:35 PM by AnotherDuck
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There should still be a pruning, though, or else they'll take a look at the content and decide ignoring the note at the top is okay.
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I just took a chainsaw to Keystone Army which was a giant pile of non-examples featuring, amongst other things, sports teams (Who aren't armies), Tactics for sniping officers during the world wars (Without the collapse or, really, any immediate and total effect on the other army that the trope calls for), armies just being out-manoeuvred or caught unprepared (How is this an examples?) and armies winning through Pyrrhic Victory.
I am seriously considering if there's a reason to keep Keystone Army's Real Life section, as it now has two genuine examples, and one of them is an account of a battle occuring much differently from what I can find (I find no references for going for the officers at the Battle of Tegyra, as opposed to just flanking the other side through better manoeuvres. Which even if the example is true, still hint that there's more at work here than just what the trope implies.)
edited 8th Jul '14 6:06:21 PM by Ghilz
Should Asian Drivers be NRLEP? True, it's not on par with calling people evil, but it's sill nothing but overly broad "examples" and mocking people.
My alignment is Chaotic Cute.
I think the 25 year rule for Never Live It Down is a good one. I'm ready to slice and dice if no one else is; it's a pretty easy one to implement.
Am I a weirdo?
I also agree with a 25 year rule there. That should be more than long enough for these people to live it down if they're ever going to.
Bigotry will NEVER be welcome on TV Tropes.
Just to be clear, are we suggesting applying the 25 year limit to the whole Real Life section of Never Live It Down or just the politics section?
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I don't see a reason to limit it to just the politicians. Apply it to Real Life as a whole — that will also help cull out the people who did one stupid thing and became YouTube or tumblr or 4Chan or Facebook "celebrities" but who will be completely forgotten in a year or less.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
"In distress", my ass.
Terrie, while nothing in Asian Drivers looks, at first glance, outrageously bad, stereotyping real people is generally considered NRLEP fodder (see the ethnicity-related entries on the NRLEP list, for example).
And many of those examples are just outright awful, regardless of NRLEP status. 
[edit] On further thought, added Asian Drivers to the crowner, as an ethnic stereotype.
edited 10th Jul '14 8:24:23 PM by Nohbody
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OK, purging. Leaving a note on the top as well.
ETA: Okay, temporal purge pass done. There are still probably a lot of examples that violate the first note that Madrugada added, so another pair of eyes would be appreciated.
edited 10th Jul '14 9:26:34 PM by Leaper
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Is authorial intent sufficiently inherent to Worst News Judgment Ever that it can't have real-life examples? The folder seems to just be calling real people incompetent.
The child is father to the man —Oedipus
Most items I can see there are celebrity and similar news getting prominence in times where other events happen. The trope is kind of that, so "author intent" is not a good argument to use there.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
No, the other one.
Worst News Judgment Ever claims to have two versions, one an "inversion" of the other. The first is where the plot-important event is the main headline, because Conservation of Detail. That can't be true IRL.
The second version is where "a vapid story (such as a celebrity scandal) sucks up the headline space". Now, that can certainly happen IRL, but the trope seems to be about painting news media in a bad light. So someone commenting that it happens in a real newspaper wouldn't be the trope. What's there seems to be mainly complaining about news media.
Also, there are a bunch of generic examples I'm going to cut if everything isn't. And Animation Lead Time is referenced, which isn't a show of poor judgement, but a discrepancy between date of writing and date of publishing. And some random stuff like reporting the wrong stuff.
I think cutting it would be an improvement.
edited 11th Jul '14 10:41:45 AM by AnotherDuck
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"In distress", my ass.
Bump for votes on Asian Drivers, currently at 8:0.
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