The Place for Purging Porn and Pedo-Pandering (AKA P5 flag evaluations)

@Gray Sloth

From what I gather bara is for gay guys and yaoi is for the fangirls.

edited 19th May '12 5:55:43 PM by Shadis

Can we not derail to talk about fanspeak? This thread wanders easily.

I stand corrected. (Mostly unsurprisingly, I'd never heard of bara until this thread.)

Right-o.

Now, what should we do with Slave World?

Well, our page on it makes it pretty clear that you can't nail it on paedo grounds (youngest character is 16). So the question is if it qualifies as porn.

Fun side note: while reading the work page, I thought I found a case of a bowdlerizer program (see the Hoist by His Own Petard entry)...until looking through the history, where I realized the page had been created with that bit there. Weird.

Sakura Gari ch 5 (we're in vol 2 now) 72 pages.19-20 flashback child sex abuse. Both parties clothed. 44-52 rape scene, a bit more explicit, we see Masataka's butt crack. In other news, Souma tries to kill himself this chapter.

Sakura Gari ch 6: 49: nudity revealing abuse 50-51 rape scene w/ bondage. Masataka/the dr. 53 child sex abuse one panel- - shown with nudity. 56-61 back to rape, with torture. The rest of the 80 pages is passed with angst, and violence, but mostly angst. This is the end of vol 2.

Sorry if this has been discussed before, but what do we do about works that have multiple releases with varying levels of extreme content? I'm talking, of course, about Kite the 1998 Japanese anime film. The original release was controversial for its use of violence and sex scenes but a few rereleases cut down the extreme content and, honestly, make the film a whole lot better. Most people haven't even the original 60 minute release and that's for the best, really. The 45-minute edited version is much more notable and respected.

There's also the case of the webcomic Peter Is The Wolf which has an X-rated version and a censored version.

As I recall, we made the Mezzo Forte page about the version that had the sex scenes removed; the same could be done for Kite since they're by the same creator.

We can chop the page down to the Bleached Underpants version only if necessary.

That's been taken into consideration. For example, the Shuffle article has a clean release and adaptations, so it was viewed as being non problematic.

What's the policy for non pornographic tropes listing cut pornographic works (e.g. Red links) in their examples?

Get rid of the example. It encourages people to make an article on the work.

Regarding the yaoi thing, notice the reference to yaoi fanboys in the yaoi article itself. Not all gay or bi guys like muscleman bara or mainstream gay porn type stuff only and some bi and gay men do find the "pretty guy" stuff and angsty Slash Fic cool. Generalizations kind of suck.

As for Kite, not an anime fan much, but since from what I read when we discussed it before there is a version without the problematic scenes that works just as well, that looks like a great candidate for a Bleached Underpants dispensation.

It's a matter of targeting though. I'm sure there are even straight guys out there who like yaoi, but it doesn't mean it's targeted to them.

edited 19th May '12 9:17:31 PM by Arha

With that, I agree. That said, I'm definitely sure some writers go for Multiple Demographic Appeal, especially when we're talking beyond "anime and manga" and more of the Slash Fic type that's just called "yaoi" because the writers are using it interchangeably with Slash Fic (which is annoying as hell, but that's a rant for another discussion entirely) but then, what do you call something that's more like Slash Fic, but original, as in not a fanfic of something else? Gay fiction? But wouldn't that be an appropriating term if the writer was straight or bisexual? And down the rabbit hole we go

Maybe we should move this elsewhere so we don't derail anymore

edited 19th May '12 10:59:05 PM by AGroupie

We have Queer Media. But I don't want to prolong the derail...

All of the new stuff that's been flagged, Yoiko is the creepiest thing yet.

As for Hentai Kamen, it's about a high school student who becomes a superhero when he puts his mother's panties on his head. From what I've seen, the titular superhero wears nothing but that and a thong (for Fanservice or Fan Disservice and Played for Laughs), and there does appear to be some fanservice from women 16 or older. In short, despite the name, it appears to be a warped comedy manga and not pornography.

edited 20th May '12 8:59:10 AM by KrazyKopter

I remember Kanokon being discussed before, but did we ever come to a conclusion on it?

On what grounds does Morenatsu have two devil icons, if I may ask?

The latter seems a case of overzealousness.

About Yoiko, I never heard of it before but I saw some pics of the main character in the past, obviously thinking she was an adult woman. Now, I don't know what to make of it. A series that sexualizes a grade schooler... who has the build, shape and face of a 20-or-more year old (not like that 12 year old from Eiken, who had Gag Boobs but still looked that age). It makes no fucking sense °_° Really, how should be considered? The character's age should make an autocut but she has no looks you would call "pedobait"... Awww, I'll leave the neuron-twisting to someone else.

So Yoiko is a seinen blue comedy series about a fifth grader who looks like a college student. Fanservice abound. Sounds creepy, but as it's the polar opposite of the Older Than They Look horseshit, I guess it's not pedobait. To me it seems pretty obviously unacceptable, but I know nothing.

I feel like if our page wasn't saying she was naked a lot, and the premise was played for only comedy, it wouldn't seem so creepy. I haven't read it though; it might be another case of our page being worse than the actual work (i.e., Powerpuff Girls Doujinshi).

and : Paedophilia isn't about random numbers anyway, and "looks like a college student" is probably not going to be paedophile-bait.

Sakura Gari ch 7 pg 15-16 consensual sexposition - female breasts and nipples seen. This ch. is 79 pages.