This is the sticky thread for questions related to the namespacing of works. As in, "which is the right namespace for this work?"
Ideally, questions already answered are covered on the Namespace Map. If you know a namespacing issue has already been resolved, but it is not yet documented on the Map, please update the Map.
If you want to suggest a new namespace, don't post here, but in Suggesting New Namespaces
instead.
For easier reference, I've numbered my questions:
- #1: Where do animated films go? They seem to be distributed rather inconsistenly over Film/ (Puss In Boots, Whats Opera Doc), WesternAnimation/ (Disneys Anne Frank, Snow White), Anime/ (Princess Mononoke) and Disney/ (Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs, Der Fuehrers Face).
- #2: There are a few songs which have their own pages ("Pirate Jenny"). Where do they go – to Music/ or to Literature/ ?
- #3: Where do composers go – to Music/ , or are they to be treated like other creators, which hitherto stay on Main/ ?
- #4: Where do Talk Shows, Game Shows and News Broadcasts go? I guess you could call these formats Live-Action TV but they're not really "TV series", as in Series/.
- #5: Am I right in assuming that Puppet Shows go to Series/ ?
- #6: What about “hybrid shows”, i.e. segment shows that incorporate both live action and animation? (e.g. Die Sendung Mit Der Maus)
- #7: Where to put picture books? I am thinking of books like Der Struwwelpeter and Max and Moritz — books that are really not complete without their illustrations. They are not (yet) ComicBook/s, but to sort them under Literature/ feels a little unsatisfactory too.
- #8: The rule is to put works into the namespace of their original medium. However, once in a while there is a work which is little known in its original medium, and almost exclusively known by its adaptation. I’m thinking of Das Boot, for example: there's a novel, but it is almost exclusively known by the Petersen movie.
- #9: Should One Book Authors who are invariably tied to a single work be treated as a creator or a work page rather?— Currently, we have Samuel Pepys and Herodotus, but shouldn't these pages be at Literature/The Diary of Samuel Pepys and Literature/The Histories rather?
- #10: There are cases where I’m unsure whether to use the English or the original title. Is there are hard rule that determines whether Der Ring Des Nibelungen goes to Theatre/Der Ring des Nibelungen or Theatre/The Ring of the Nibelung? Even Wikipedia uses the original title.
I'd be grateful for input.
Edited by SeptimusHeap on Nov 9th 2023 at 8:15:08 PM
There is a thread somewhere in Wiki Talk and Special Efforts dealing with this, but I am too sleepy to search for it
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In uffish thought
Wiki Talk thread. Special Efforts thread.
The Wiki Talk crowner decided to make Website/, WebVideo/, Blog/, Podcast/, WebAnimation/, and LetsPlay/ official namespaces. WebOriginal/ is no longer used; the only pages in that namespace are redirects to other namespaces.
edited 14th Jul '12 12:04:42 AM by Telcontar
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Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl
On Ame-Comi Girls, I agree, "Franchise" probably doesn't make sense, and while the toy/statue things came first, I don't know if there's enough content there to be tropeable beyond "they sure are Stripperrific, ain't they?"
There might be some cause for putting them in Webcomics as a technicality, because they're "digital-first" comics, but Comic Books probably makes the most sense.
(As an aside, the comics are a hell of a lot better than they have any right to be - written by Palmiotti and Gray, and Amanda Conner did the art on the Wonder Woman book.)
Jet-a-Reeno!
Which namespace should OELManga.Serenity be moved to? ComicBook/?
edited 15th Jul '12 4:15:20 PM by movie007
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Is Variations.Smile Pretty Cure something that should exist? I couldn't find a namespace page or an index for it and it seems like an odd way to sort Fanfiction.
edited 16th Jul '12 9:43:10 PM by fourteenwings
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No. If it's a website, it goes under Website/
I'm thinking it's time to send Sailor Moon to Franchise/. It has a manga, anime, multiple video games, theatre productions and a tokusatsu.
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
In uffish thought
That sounds reasonable; it's definitely got enough adaptations/extras/whatever!
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I saw the Kingdom Hearts hub page under Franchise/. Is this really fitting (ie seen through multiple mediums and not just a few tie-in novels)?
EDIT: One more question. For "Just for Fun" work pages (like "The Ugly Barnacle" or "Disneys Anne Frank"), wouldn't it just be more fitting to put them in the JustForFun/ namespace as they are not really "works"?note
edited 19th Jul '12 4:49:24 PM by EarlOfSandvich
I now go by Graf von Tirol.While Kingdom Hearts is in reality a franchise, it currently dosn't qualify as one under our guidelines. Our pages only cover the video games, and the manga adaptations are not different enough to get their own pages.
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - FighteerOk, what's the deal with Ogre Battle? It's a series of games, but it's in Main/ because VideoGame.Ogre Battle refers to the first game in the series. Wouldn't it make more sense to switch the first game to Ogre Battle The March Of The Black Queen and keep VideoGame.Ogre Battle as the whole series? Even Wikipedia calls it that.
edited 22nd Jul '12 5:12:56 AM by lu127
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
It does. Just made those changes.
Ravenous Sophovore
Franchise is also used when the name of the franchise is the same as the name of the first entry in the series, to avoid collisions. So Franchise.Kingdom Hearts is fine because we already have VideoGame.Kingdom Hearts.
Question: I'd like to make a page for Agni's Philosophy, a tech demo video shown at E3. Would that be under Anime?
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In uffish thought
NamespaceGoesHere.The Lunchroom needs moving, but it's unclear what it is. On the discussion page, someone said it's a set of scripts by a website; I have no clue where that would go.
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Do we have a rule about Fan Speak definitions that don't have to be used as tropes, like Kuudere? I know that at least Pettanko is under Useful Notes
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
In uffish thought
Kuudere has >600 wicks. (It should go to that SE thread about renames/transplants and wick cleaning.) Moving it to Useful Notes/ may discourage usage as a trope, and it'd be in line with Pettanko; I'd be fine with that.
That was the amazing part. Things just keep going.Do anime movies based on an already existing anime go under Anime/ or Film/?
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
In uffish thought
Film/ is only for live-action stuff. They could go in Anime/ or Animation/ (a catch-all for stuff which doesn't fit, and maybe it could serve to reduce namespace conflicts), but I'm not sure which.
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As a reference, Anime.Ghost In The Shell and Anime.Spirited Away, so I'd say Anime.
Well... I was just asking because there has been a precedence of first games within video game franchises, so since we have something like VideoGame.Fallout 1 for Fallout or Castlevania (1986) for VideoGame.Castlevania for example, I figured either of the two would make sense for the first Kingdom Hearts game/
edited 25th Jul '12 8:20:10 PM by EarlOfSandvich
I now go by Graf von Tirol.What's the deal with Creamsicle? It's apparently a meme that spawned a fanbase.
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
In uffish thought
Maybe we should have kept Web Original/ in some form; there's really no other place I can think of where that could go. It covers several media and is purely Internet-based and originated. Web Original/ would also hold Community.Dwarf Fortress (which doesn't fit in Website/ to my mind, so I haven't moved it).
edited 26th Jul '12 4:34:23 AM by Telcontar
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I think the Cut List
or Just for Fun are the places for memes
World's Toughest Milkman
Yeah, Internet Memes (aka flash-in-the-pan memes) are probably the one thing on the wiki that is noticeably less useful than stock phrases!
(Real memes, of course, is a category which includes pretty much every trope we have. But that's another matter.) :)
Speaking words of fandom: let it squee, let it squee.
The Other Troper
I made a thread for this, but this might belong here better.
What about an Original Video Animation, and it cannot use the Anime/ namespace? I say this because Magic Knight Rayearth had an adaptation of the manga, but the Rayearth OVA is different enough that it could be its own page. But again, using the Anime/ namspace wouldn't work, as it would look like a page for the series.
I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
What is the replacement for Web Original, if it's being phased out?