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It seems to be suffering from description decay... too much Soapbox Sadie in it. Some of the stuff in the description can be moved to Real Life, if they're corrected. The "Mc World" is likely based off "Mc Donald's", a symbol of the United States. The entry under "Propaganda" should be moved into Real Life. All this assuming the description doesn't get a re-write/re-definition.
In general, needs to be more objective.
[snark]If there's no English version of it, then it's an example of No Export for You![/snark]
It reads like someone wanted to make a trope, but also wanted as essay, and then proceeded to flip-flop back and forth. A lot of the attempts at analysis could either be moved like suggested or cut entirely; most of the culturalism, for example. TL/DR isn't a valid excuse, but this thing is just a headache to read.
edited 13th Feb '12 4:21:48 PM by Tahaneira
edited 14th Feb '12 1:38:48 AM by Tambov333
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I see the Awesomeness.
Propaganda would either be its own section or in Advertisements.
Fight smart, not fair.
KVLFON
I see Grim Up North and Hordes from the East as two varieties of the supertrope "bad guys come from the direction old Europe was invaded". I'd throw out the limitation to human invaders, but optionally retain the part about numbers, horsemanship, and cultural otherness.
"Atheism is the religion whose followers are easiest to troll"
Propaganda is a form of Advertising.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
Grim Up North, The Savage South, Hordes from the East... aren't we missing a direction here?
[snark]If there's no English version of it, then it's an example of No Export for You![/snark]
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![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Nice reference.
Anyway, Hordes from the East is a a valid trope. Without a doubt. It's basically the Mongols/Huns, who left a lasting cultural impact which is definitely worth talking about.
However. The soapboxing needs to go, as does most of the author's interpretation. Cut 90%.
Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.
I started out by deleting these 2 paragraphs:
Historically, there is a tendency to lump one's enemies together as a single group. Not only culturally myopic, it is a strategic error as it prevents you from seeing opportunities to exploit division and becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. For example, during the Cold War, the US, Russia, and China generally detested one another. To the US, however, the thinking was All Communists Are As One, an attitude which ended up pushing China closer to Russia than it may have intended. On top of this, in art such attitides can survive way beyond their political expediency, giving rise to extensive use of this trope.
Logically, this trope should have different directions in some other cultures. For China, any attack would automatically come from the north/west; for India, from the north-west. The Romans may rather have the danger coming from the north (the Germanics).
Saw no reason for them to be there. Anyone disagree?
edited 14th Feb '12 5:05:48 PM by abk0100
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Nope.
Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.
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Would anyone have a problem with deleting this part of the description as well? It does not really seem necessary to me, especially the whole "Mc" discussion.
Also, I may just be missing something, but I am not sure I really understand the point of the lines near the bottom about "a race that is materially different and has obviously different traits" not counting for this trope. Is there a good reason for this distinction?
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^^^ Abk: That edit looks good.
^ Nope, no problem with deleting that. Or the part about a race that is materially different not counting.
edited 14th Feb '12 8:08:46 PM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.Left-Justified Fantasy Map is a map trope. As in, "the ocean is to the west; in other directions are landmasses". Not "the heroes/villains are Western."
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I basically reworked the entire description just now.
No information was removed - it was just made more concise and less opinionated and rearranged.
edited 15th Feb '12 2:56:57 AM by abk0100
OK. The pic show Tuaregs (I think), certainly negroids - not Mongols.
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Sudanese apparently. So you're right, that doesn't really show what this trope is traditionally about. Too bad, since the desert and the horses and the shadowy faces were all perfect.
Cavalry. Vaguely mongoloid faces. Warriors in light armour/chainmail. Horse archers. Round shields.
Practically perfect.
edited 15th Feb '12 4:18:00 AM by Tambov333
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I've run across one or more proposals in YKTTW that are basically "The Heroes all live in the North-West". I'm not sure what their status is.
Also, could we delete the claim that The Lord Of The Rings is the Trope Maker for this, considering this sort of thing was in fact inspired by Real Life wars going back at least as far as the Huns, if not the conflicts between the Greeks and groups like the Persians?
edited 15th Feb '12 5:55:42 AM by Catbert
The Lord Of The Rings isn't the Trope Maker. It is, however, the Trope Codifier (especially for Fantasy).
edited 15th Feb '12 7:28:31 AM by Tambov333
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I just changed the image to this.
◊ Anyone object?
edited 15th Feb '12 9:46:14 AM by SantosLHalper
I like it!
The first few paragraphs start out well:
It may be because they are Always Chaotic Evil. Or perhaps they just belong to a different civilization (or lack of such) and march as it conquers.
They may or may not look stereotypically Asian, but unlike Yellow Peril, they are not some sort of criminal masterminds. More like a mass of Mooks - more or less born to be mooks.
However, there is rather poor transition between the last paragraph and the next one:
It then goes completely off topic, and talks about the Cold War, before returning back again. I really think this trope needs a better description, and one that actually manages to stay on topic.
edited 13th Feb '12 1:28:36 PM by SantosLHalper