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djbj Since: Oct, 2010
#1: Feb 6th 2012 at 8:09:52 PM

Now that the former definition of Ho Yay has been moved to Homoerotic Subtext and Ho Yay is now an audience reaction, we should rename this to Threesome Subtext for title consistency, and because this is an objective trope to it should have a title that sounds more objective.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#2: Feb 6th 2012 at 8:49:21 PM

It would also be in line with Incest Subtext. So yeah, good idea.

Routerie Since: Oct, 2011
#3: Feb 6th 2012 at 9:31:48 PM

Good idea. Three Yay should be a redirect to the three-way equivalent of Ho Yay - specifically, One True Threesome.

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#6: Mar 5th 2012 at 10:53:27 AM

Plus 1 to move.

edited 5th Mar '12 10:53:40 AM by lebrel

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#8: Mar 10th 2012 at 4:17:51 PM

Bump for votes.

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#9: Mar 10th 2012 at 8:57:17 PM

Should we go over the other -Yay tropes after this, too?

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#10: Mar 10th 2012 at 9:55:06 PM

Yes. Which ones do still need to get to? Foe Yay, Faux Yay and No Yay?

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#11: Mar 11th 2012 at 7:05:28 AM

Crowner called.

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#12: Mar 11th 2012 at 9:37:03 AM

[up][up] Isn't No Yay an Audience Reaction?

(definitely support renaming Faux Yay, though, since that isn't even a trope about subtext)

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#13: Mar 11th 2012 at 9:39:39 AM

Made the alt-titles crowner

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#14: Mar 11th 2012 at 10:25:04 AM

Crowner hooked.

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Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#15: Mar 11th 2012 at 11:46:27 AM

Am I correct that this should also be marked subjective and audience reaction?

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#16: Mar 11th 2012 at 11:52:09 AM

No, you are not.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#17: Mar 11th 2012 at 1:16:13 PM

Spark9: No, we wouldn't mark it as subjective. This is supposed to be actual objective teasing of a threeway relationship. For the fandom reaction or shipping, we have One True Threesome. That said, to keep it consistent with Homoerotic Subtext we would probably demand some pretty blatant evidence.

edited 11th Mar '12 1:16:49 PM by Arha

Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#18: Mar 11th 2012 at 1:28:42 PM

[up] Did I miss something here? I thought Homoerotic Subject was "anything that any fan whatsoever thinks might be hinting at a homosexual pairing, even if the characters are canonically straight"? That's about as YMMV as you can get. Did this get fixed while I wasn't looking?

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#19: Mar 11th 2012 at 1:35:17 PM

"homo subtext" doesn't fit "canonically gay" very well.

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Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#20: Mar 11th 2012 at 1:44:20 PM

[up] I'm aware of that, but this is the internet we're talking about. For any movie or book that has two male characters in it, some part of the fandom is going to clamor that they're "gay for each other" according to however they interpret the subtext.

The same thing applies here. The examples for Spirou, TRON, and Girl Genius are just fan theories, and that's just the works I'm familiar with; the picture is from Archie, for crying out loud. Such theories exist for any work; want me to break out the Harry/Hermi/Ron shipperfics? I don't see how this and all the other "Yay" tropes can be anything but YMMV.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#21: Mar 11th 2012 at 1:55:28 PM

Spark: Homoerotic Subtext is not Ho Yay. Ho Yay was supposed to be an objective trope about actual, objective teasing or fanservice involving homosexuality. However, as we all know, it decayed massively to the point where the thread decided it would be far simply to simply move the objective trope to a new name and let Ho Yay continue as a shipping thing. Which is also how it's used off wiki.

Routerie Since: Oct, 2011
#22: Mar 11th 2012 at 2:00:50 PM

I don't see how... "Yay" tropes can be anything but YMMV
Correct. Homoerotic Subtext is not a Yay trope.

edited 11th Mar '12 2:01:25 PM by Routerie

Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#23: Mar 11th 2012 at 2:12:20 PM

Okay, so I guess it did get changed when I wasn't looking.

Well, that's good. So if I understand correctly, this trope here is being turned away from a "Yay" trope, and therefore all examples that are just fan theories ought to be cut (as per the third paragraph on Homo Erotic Subtext)?

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#24: Mar 11th 2012 at 2:13:59 PM

I certainly support this redefinition. If we are renaming the trope, we shouldn't carry over the definition that fits the old name only.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#25: Mar 11th 2012 at 2:29:08 PM

Certainly. Any fandom interpretations of threesomes are supposed to be on OT3 anyway.

AlternativeTitles: ThreeYay
11th Mar '12 9:39:05 AM

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