Frozen (Disney film)

Yeah, cause Ratatouille sure did go south after they replaced the director on that!

"According to insiders at Laughing Place, this "Co-Direct" thing is in the Brave sense of the term: Chris Buck was replaced. And there's only a year to go. And John Lasseter hasn't checked in on the project in months. I got a bad feeling about this."

Not quite accurate. Of course, Jennifer Lee may be taking precedence but all indications are that Chris Buck is still working on the project. Of course, Lee had already worked on the film before by helping to develop the script.

And regarding the part where John Lasseter hasn't checked on the project in months, the insider was referring to another project, not Frozen.

Of course, there is also the chance that the insider is not really an insider at all and is just lying. Doubt it though, he does have a bit of a reputation. He isn't working directly on the film anyway so he would be hardly be an expert on the film's progress though he does have access to more information than we do, mostly in the forms of other employees telling him stuff.

......... why was Chris Buck replaced?

And why didn't Disney just up and SAY that, like they did with Brenda Chapman?!

Chris Buck is still working on the project.

Looks like a misunderstanding then.

I swear, a majority of the posts on here have an "everybody PANIIIIC!!!" attitude. y'all need to save the panicking for when reviews start coming in.

that's typical for a Disney movie it seems. I remember before the trailer for Wreck It Ralph came out, the YMMV page was mostly consumed with a rant about how the creators new nothing about video games because Vanellope was a character who was described as a glitch (this was before anyone considered that she may have been a Dummied Out character). This just reassures me more that the movie will probably be fine.

I think people these days just have a default panic mode since we live in a world past the Y2K issue, the economy just collapsed, 9/11 happened, we are seeing natural disasters more frequently, and thanks to social media we're hearing more and more about studio politics running rampant.

Logo for Frozen

Not much but It'll do.

I dunno. It looks just like the Brave logo, but blue.

Holding the Brave blu ray box in front of me right now, I don't see it. Nothing really fanciful in the logo, but it fits well enough. It does look like ice.

Looks more like the Tangled logo to me.

Because the only reason to bring a woman on board to direct is entirely related to her possessing lady bits and has nothing to do with her actual talents or skills or having just helmed one of Disney Animations most critically and commercially successful projects in the last decade.

I still have no hope for this project since they clearly don't want to make a damn Snow Queen movie. Nothing short of completely rewriting the script they're going off of is going to save this from being anything short of an awful Dreamworks knock-off.

edited 3rd Dec '12 5:49:45 PM by Rebochan

How would you know if the script is bad? We haven't seen it yet. In fact, we only have a paragraph of plot summary to go on. Hardly enough to judge a film by.

And I see you are using 'Dreamworks knockoff' as an insult. What is that even supposed to mean?

edited 3rd Dec '12 6:35:50 PM by qindarka

Dreamworks has been solidly good since 2008.

Unless he means the Dreamworks movies released after Shrek2 and before Kung Fu Panda that Dreamworks have yet to recover their image from.

IE The Animated Parental Bonus laden Fractured Fairy Tale movie full of cheap gags and pop culture references. (Which was really first started with Aladdin back in 1991. Though, arguably became the de facto for animated films in the 2000's with the success of Shrek.)

edited 3rd Dec '12 6:51:30 PM by PippingFool

Right, and there is absolutely no indication that Frozen will be anything like that. Disney have only done that once, with Chicken Little, and I don't think they consider it a recipe for success.

Well, Aladdin was a highly sucessful example, as was Hercules to a certain extent. However, they were more prototypes to the formulae than the actual Trope Maker, which was Shrek.

For some reason the Frozen Logo reminds me of the 1982 Tron logo....

@Pipping Fool I think Nostalgia Chick mentioned that once in Dreamworks vs Disney; Aladdin was kind of the Proto-Shrek/"Dreamworks" style(Celebrity voice actors, pop culture references, parental bonuses, etc.).

Regardin this take on Frozen; Really, I know we look down on the Shrek series nowadays because of oversaturation but that's precisely it. Didn't we get tired of the same Musical Disney movies dominating the 90's? It all takes some newer execution.

Er, yea, the fact that the really detailed plot summary has no resemblance to its source material and adds cliche'd and done-to-death Disney tropes is no reason to judge a film that was supposed to be an adaptation of it.

Seriously, have you read The Snow Queen? Do you have any idea what's about? Did you know it's a story where a young girl through her own strength and faith saves a boy she loves as family from a wicked and cruel hearted queen? And is helped by almost entirely female heroes along the way that cover a wide swath of unusual character types?

I think it's fair to say when the Disney version removes the female heroes, requires the girl to get help from a strapping huntsman and wise-cracking male sidekick to save herself and the female villain...well, I think it's safe to judge the film as a colossal failure when it's so plainly not even trying to adapt it's source material. The only thing they have in common is there is in fact a Snow Queen. Maybe.

Let's put it this way - how would you treat an adaptation of Lord of The Rings entitled "Golden" in which Arwen the Elf, her strapping hunter friend Strider, and their talking, wise-cracking tree pals set out on a quest to save the soul of her brother, Sauron? Yea, you wouldn't take that well.

That Disney, in an effort to capture Dreamworks success, is simply ripping them off instead of either improving their own style, creating a new one, or just figuring out why Dreamworks can make a crapton of money be it a silly comedy about pandas or a genuine fantasy epic.

Hint: Dreamworks can tell a good original story when they want to.

edited 3rd Dec '12 11:48:44 PM by Rebochan

We hardly have a really detailed plot summary. All we have is the basic premise and the names of the characters.

So...I found this.

And it has nothing to do with the book it is supposedly adapting. That half-assed rewrite I just did of Lord of the Rings that you just blew off has more to do with Lord of the Rings than Frozen does with The Snow Queen. Jingle all the Way has more to do with the Snow Queen than Frozen does.

Bambi has bumfuck squat to do with the book. And we all know how terrible that movie was.

edited 4th Dec '12 11:52:57 AM by PippingFool

Bambi the movie has more to do with Bambi the book than Frozen does with The Snow Queen. Bambi the movie has the same basic plot of the book - it is a Slice of Life story about a roe's growth into adulthood. The tone is more light hearted and the environmental elements downplayed, but they still share certain key plot arcs, such as the death of the mother and the distance he maintains with his father.

Frozen doesn't even have the same plot. Or even the same characters - "Bambi" didn't get renamed to "Bucky" the way Gerda became Anna (probably because we can't have American kids confronted with icky foreign names anymore.)

Bambi doesn't have "bum squat" to do with its book - it's a genuine adaptation of its book into a new medium. Frozen isn't even trying. And that's why I'm bothered by it - I waited decades for a good Snow Queen movie as Disney promised, but the marketing suits apparently decided a real Snow Queen movie wouldn't sell when faced with dancing zebras with afros and they've dumbed it down into formula. The fact they added a whacky talking snowman should be giving everyone pause.

Yea, see, I realize I just bagged on Dreamworks there, but the funny thing about Dreamworks is they're totally cool with changing things up when they want to and taking real risks. Rise Of The Guardians may be in the process of flopping, but they still took the risk of something unusual and different. Disney doesn't even want to do that anymore - Brave getting its director fired to make it more "action oriented" proves that.

Did you see Frozen?